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[Bionuts]

If there was a race of short humans with pointy ears you better believe they would be discriminated against.

[Realmzmaster]

Interesting that the union of an elf and human in the world of Thedas produces basically a human with no outward characteristics, but in D & D it produces a half-elf that has the characteristics of both parents.
There is no knowledge presented in the games yet about other races in unions humans or among the other races.
It will be interesting to see how it evolves in the games.

[Ianamus]

Faerunner wrote...

When are they ever described as "alien"? I've played DA:O forwards and backwards and skimmed every elf-related section of every book and I have not once seen them described as weird or "alien."

Someone on page 2 mentioned a part in the stolen throne where " In The Stolen Throne, Maric realizes why some people are attracted to elves, with their alien eyes".

I myself have never read it so I cannot confirm what the quote is exactly, but it does sound like he is saying he can see why some people find elves attractive with their unusual features, which would imply they don't look 100% human facially. 

Faerunner wrote...
They aren't described as weird or alien though. That's my point. That's why so many people take umbrage with DA2 elves looking like weird humanoid livestock when none of the dialogue in any game or book (that I know of), before or during, described or reacts to them that way.

Elves are considered "lithe and pointy-eared," "nimble and dexterous," "pleasing to look at." (At worst, some DAA companions tease Velanna for having ears like animals or clowns, but not for being alien.) Even the serial killer in Kirkwall wails as he kills elven children because "It's not fair that they should have such beautiful children!" ... which most people found jarring since those supposedly beautiful elven children were anything but.

They're described as attractive, sometimes implied to be ethereally so, and at worst thought to have some odd features despite their overall beauty (like Velanna's "clownish" ears, which still didn't stop people from commenting on her beauty), but not "alien" or an unusual fetish on the whole.

Don't get me wrong: while I liked the fact that they were trying to make the elves look different I though the vast majority of Dragon Age 2's elves were downright fugly. I always thought the lore implied elves looked exotic and differed from humans in good-looking and attractive ways, not the very strange and awkward appearances shown in Dragon Age 2. 

You say that elves are beautiful and majestic, maybe even "ethereal" but surely saying that they can be considered more beatiful and majestic than humans implies that they look different to humans, if in a positive way. It's hard to be considered beautiful and majestic comapred to humans when they look exactly the same as humans, which they did in Origins, in my opinion. It's implied the Elves look different, but as you said, in a good-looking and exotic way. 

I'm hoping inquisition can make them look attractive while still exotic and different enough to match comments about them looking unusual compared to humans. 

Modifié par EJ107, 25 août 2013 - 01:47 .

[blaidfiste]

Without reading the rest of the posts, I know there's a pic of Orana, Merrill in bed with Hawke or the bald unnamed elf in Kirkwall.

The new designs aren't a step back from those.

[ScarMK]

blaidfiste wrote...

Without reading the rest of the posts, I know there's a pic of Orana, Merrill in bed with Hawke or the bald unnamed elf in Kirkwall.

The new designs aren't a step back from those.

You got Orana and the background elf right.

[canarius]

Yeah DA2 elves didn't look like humans with pointy ears. They looked like aliens with pointy ears. They were the ugliest things ever in a video game. I like the new design for DAI.

[Maria Caliban]

fchopin wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Though... I don't really get why one would be passionate about the way elves look.

Because we want to play an elf in DAI and if they look like DA2 elf's then no person will play them. I don't play ugly bones.

1. People were upset with the way DA 2 elves looked when it came out. Long before they knew they'd be able to play an elven PC in DA I.

2. World of Warcraft has a bunch of monstrous races that people play. Many players don't need their PC to be 'pretty.'

Marten Stroud wrote...

I wonder why few or no people have complained about the human designs.

They complain about specific humans not looking 'right.'

Cullen is a pretty-boy. Cassandra's chin is too wide. Isabela's breasts are too large.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 août 2013 - 03:58 .

[LPPrince]

To be fair, WoW is not so heavily story and character driven as a Bioware RPG is.

I think it makes more sense and is understandable if someone would handwave playing a not attractive character(in their opinion) in WoW but care quite a bit about it in a Dragon Age.

[Dhiro]

I prefer the DA II elves, myself, though I think they could have used some tweaks here and there. I'll live, as DA still has a very interesting lore surrounding elves that will be fun to be part of again, but eh.

[Genshie]

LPPrince wrote...

To be fair, WoW is not so heavily story and character driven as a Bioware RPG is.

I think it makes more sense and is understandable if someone would handwave playing a not attractive character(in their opinion) in WoW but care quite a bit about it in a Dragon Age.

Do mean by player character wise (if so I agree) or as a game as a whole? *Prepares rolled up Warcraft lore paper to smack you with*

[deuce985]

I knew this thread was coming

I didn't mind the DAO or DA2 elves. What I've seen of DA:I elves I don't mind those either.

Modifié par deuce985, 25 août 2013 - 05:28 .

[Kelnuin]

Down with Rabbit Ears, up with Pointed Ears!!!

[Han Shot First]

Sylvianus wrote...



* Raooow * 

Kill it with fire.

[Mecha Elf]

They looked hideous to me. I always play as an elf and I rather have ones the look like short pointed eared humans other than elves that weird anime looking characters... I love the new look of the elves because they don't look like humans to me,have their distinct look, but still look somewhat humanish

[Bachi1230]

I hated the DA2 Elves. I really liked the DA:O Elves.

And the I really like the new elves as well. I have to disagree with you OP.

[Fredward]

I'm expecting them to retain the lithe appearance they had in DA2. Appearance extends beyond just the face, yah know?

[Fredward]

Morocco Mole wrote...

People liked the design for elves in DA2?

Yes. People have different opinions. Imagine that.

[Zanallen]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I know but the elf design in DA2 was just really bad. Big, bulging eyes especially.

It wasn't great, but I liked it more than the DAO design. That was just so bland.

[DooomCookie]

No, no, no! Elf design is good! DA2 design is bad! Only things that could be tweaked are the male's buck teeth and the undersized foreheads of both, the male in particular. Bioware always has problems with lips as well for some reason, but that's not specific to elves.

[Bionuts]

Remember when I first saw those elves in DA2.

Gross as poop.

[fchopin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Many players don't need their PC to be 'pretty.' 

My pc does not have to be pretty, i can play an ugly pc without a problem.
I found the DA2 elves offensive and was always in a rush to get away from them in the game. I do not mind if one elf is ugly but i don't expect the whole race of elves to be completely moronic and deformed.