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[Elhanan]

I am all for the move to beautify the Elves again, as it is more fitting for their appeal experienced in the extant lore of the series. This is not Tamriel or Alien Nation; tis Ferelden.

[Dermain]

billy the squid wrote...

If you mean distinct as in looking like someone had beaten their face in with a shovel, then yes, the elves were very distinct.

It's not distinction when everyone else also looked like they had been beaten in the face with a shovel.

fchopin wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Many players don't need their PC to be 'pretty.' 

My pc does not have to be pretty, i can play an ugly pc without a problem.
I found the DA2 elves offensive and was always in a rush to get away from them in the game. I do not mind if one elf is ugly but i don't expect the whole race of elves to be completely moronic and deformed.

So they were still too much like humans?

Modifié par Myrkale, 25 août 2013 - 11:20 .

[wright1978]

aang001 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I liked that the elves in DA 2 looked so different as well.

However, I'm gonna wait and see what the elves of DA:I look like in-game before I pass any kind of judgement.

Yeah, thats how I feel. I like them looking a bit alien from humans. It could have been executed better in DA2 to look more like the great 2d artwork, but thats always been a problem for DA team(matching up to the excellent 2d art)

Yep that's definitely how i feel. The execution past certain major characters was extremely poor but the concept behind it was more interesting than a pair of pointy ears on a human. Initial indications are of a step back towards DAO design i just hope it isn't all the way back and they retain a sense of distinctiveness beyond their ears.

[thebigbad1013]

We've not seen much of the new design but so far I'm thinking that it's a vast improvement over the DA2 elves.

[SirGladiator]

I remember reading, I think it was in the very first DA book, about how beautiful Elves were. That seems like it should be the primary objective, making them beautiful, even more beautiful than the humans if that is possible. Certainly the DA2 elves did not live up to that, I don't really care how 'distinctive' they are as much as I care about them being awesome. I'm hopeful that DAI will be a major step in that direction.

[Rawgrim]

The elves don`t look like anorectic freaks anymore. A huge plus.

[Noxis6]

The new faces certainly look better than the DA2 elves so thats an improvement imo.
What I still wonder though is how will the body look in relation to the head,personally I found the proportions of the elves somewhat weird in DA2 with relativly huge heads in relation to relativly small bodies.

[Ananka]

From what I've seen I think that the DA:I dwarves and elves look great. It's definitely an improvement from DA2.

[StElmo]

They look fine, people should stop being picky. ._. game looks solid so far can't wait to see it in action.

[The Serge777]

Bachi1230 wrote...

I hated the DA2 Elves. I really liked the DA:O Elves.

And the I really like the new elves as well. I have to disagree with you OP.

That's fine.  I didn't post this expecting people to agree with me and fully expected most would not agree with me (as I mentioned in my original post.  I was curious to see if folks wanted to go back to something more... "safe" and, IMO, less interesting. 

I was always curious to see how many strawmen folks would through out to support what is largely a matter of personal preference.  The whole "ugly" argument being the most prominent one, since I recall people accusing certain characters from DAO to be ugly despite looking human.  The other strawman are calls for tradition, which we've already seen does really exist. 

That having been said, I respect that a lot of folks want something safe that doesn't threaten their expectations.  IN part, this is expected since DAO established a "norm" (one of many) that was then overturned with little explanation in the sequel.  For me, along with my preference that we go with something more visually/racially distinct for elves, I want to see some consistency within the franchise as I posted some time ago.

As an aside, I didn't bring dwarves up in this or other threads because the changes between DAO and DA2 were inconsequential. That having been said, I would have loved it if the designers for DA2 went in a different direction for dwarves as well, like different coloring (related to various types of rocks and stone) and different types of features (like incredibly bright eyes, which some of the dwarves -- like Bartran-- had).

[Tarek]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...



* Raooow * 

Kill it with fire.

dafq did i just see 

[The Serge777]

fchopin wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Many players don't need their PC to be 'pretty.' 

My pc does not have to be pretty, i can play an ugly pc without a problem.
I found the DA2 elves offensive and was always in a rush to get away from them in the game. I do not mind if one elf is ugly but i don't expect the whole race of elves to be completely moronic and deformed.

Deformed in what sense?  In an anthropomorphic sense (i.e. compared to humans)?  Is a chimpanzee deformed?  Is an ape deformed? 

I think the challenge folks are feeling is how can the humans of Thedas be sexually attracted to elves if the players themselves are not.  While I suspect this is part of the issue folks had with DA2 elves (along with the inexplicable redesign between DAO and DA2), I think it's a myopic, short-sighted perspective. 

It's along the same lines as an earlier poster who suggested that because elves and humans can procreate that they're the same species.  Such a conclusion not only has no contextual support, it ignores the fact that the world of Thedas does not function under the same biological or physical or chemical frameworks as Earth.  Magic is a significant part of Thedas's ecology to the point that there's an entire race that doesn't dream, and members of three races who not only dream, but can communicate with spirits as a result of lyrium, a substance that has no correlation in Earth.

Again, I think the conclusions many reach for these things boil down to personal preference that folks try (poorly in most cases) to wrap in deeper perspectives.  Or, in some cases, folks who just say they hate something without having a remotely objective view and don't both acknowledging as much.   

[The Serge777]

SirGladiator wrote...

I remember reading, I think it was in the very first DA book, about how beautiful Elves were. That seems like it should be the primary objective, making them beautiful, even more beautiful than the humans if that is possible. Certainly the DA2 elves did not live up to that, I don't really care how 'distinctive' they are as much as I care about them being awesome. I'm hopeful that DAI will be a major step in that direction.

And what features are beautiful?  Should they look more like Caucasians, with pink and light peach skin with unkinky hair?  Should they have slanted eyes with less lid coverage?  Should they have lower foreheads and reddish complexions?  Should they have broader noses and thicker lips with darker skin?  We know they're supposed to be slender, but should they have more athletic builds (like a swimmer) or should they look more prepubescent? 

What do we mean by "more beautiful than the humans...?

[Rolling Flame]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...



* Raooow * 

Kill it with fire.

I did.

[mikeymoonshine]

The Serge777 wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I remember reading, I think it was in the very first DA book, about how beautiful Elves were. That seems like it should be the primary objective, making them beautiful, even more beautiful than the humans if that is possible. Certainly the DA2 elves did not live up to that, I don't really care how 'distinctive' they are as much as I care about them being awesome. I'm hopeful that DAI will be a major step in that direction.

And what features are beautiful?  Should they look more like Caucasians, with pink and light peach skin with unkinky hair?  Should they have slanted eyes with less lid coverage?  Should they have lower foreheads and reddish complexions?  Should they have broader noses and thicker lips with darker skin?  We know they're supposed to be slender, but should they have more athletic builds (like a swimmer) or should they look more prepubescent? 

What do we mean by "more beautiful than the humans...?

That's not really a very honest argument though. You are just trying to pick apart what others are sayng and twist it to make it seem idiotic and wrong. Yes bety is subjective but "ugly" and "freaky looking" are allot less subjective. Not all the elves were typically beautiful in origins but they mostly looked ok even the NPC's considering the kind of graphics in that game it was a good design. 
As we know dragon age elves are described as slender, shorter than humans and beautiful. The developers should be rying to create elves that fit this criteria and that is what they are doing, that is what they tried to do in DA2 but that design didn't work so well. 

If draon age elves were desribed as looking really different to humans then this debate would be worth having but they aren't so what do you want, designs that go against the lore? 

[Han Shot First]

The Serge777 wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I remember reading, I think it was in the very first DA book, about how beautiful Elves were. That seems like it should be the primary objective, making them beautiful, even more beautiful than the humans if that is possible. Certainly the DA2 elves did not live up to that, I don't really care how 'distinctive' they are as much as I care about them being awesome. I'm hopeful that DAI will be a major step in that direction.

And what features are beautiful?  Should they look more like Caucasians, with pink and light peach skin with unkinky hair?  Should they have slanted eyes with less lid coverage?  Should they have lower foreheads and reddish complexions?  Should they have broader noses and thicker lips with darker skin?  We know they're supposed to be slender, but should they have more athletic builds (like a swimmer) or should they look more prepubescent? 

What do we mean by "more beautiful than the humans...?

Who says the elves have to look like only one race of humans? I'd imagine that in regions where the sun was more harsh and evolution had responded by giving humans dark skin, that you'd also find dark-skinned elves. It wouldn't make much sense to find pasty white elves in whatever the Dragon Age equivalent of Africa is, for example.

[cjones91]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

The Serge777 wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I remember reading, I think it was in the very first DA book, about how beautiful Elves were. That seems like it should be the primary objective, making them beautiful, even more beautiful than the humans if that is possible. Certainly the DA2 elves did not live up to that, I don't really care how 'distinctive' they are as much as I care about them being awesome. I'm hopeful that DAI will be a major step in that direction.

And what features are beautiful?  Should they look more like Caucasians, with pink and light peach skin with unkinky hair?  Should they have slanted eyes with less lid coverage?  Should they have lower foreheads and reddish complexions?  Should they have broader noses and thicker lips with darker skin?  We know they're supposed to be slender, but should they have more athletic builds (like a swimmer) or should they look more prepubescent? 

What do we mean by "more beautiful than the humans...?

That's not really a very honest argument though. You are just trying to pick apart what others are sayng and twist it to make it seem idiotic and wrong. Yes bety is subjective but "ugly" and "freaky looking" are allot less subjective. Not all the elves were typically beautiful in origins but they mostly looked ok even the NPC's considering the kind of graphics in that game it was a good design. 
As we know dragon age elves are described as slender, shorter than humans and beautiful. The developers should be rying to create elves that fit this criteria and that is what they are doing, that is what they tried to do in DA2 but that design didn't work so well. 

If draon age elves were desribed as looking really different to humans then this debate would be worth having but they aren't so what do you want, designs that go against the lore? 

That's the feeling I get when people use the 'humans with shorter ears"complaint to deride DA:O Elves and DA:I elves,they seem to want to ignore lore just to make a statement.

[LPPrince]

Genshie wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

To be fair, WoW is not so heavily story and character driven as a Bioware RPG is.

I think it makes more sense and is understandable if someone would handwave playing a not attractive character(in their opinion) in WoW but care quite a bit about it in a Dragon Age.

Do mean by player character wise (if so I agree) or as a game as a whole? *Prepares rolled up Warcraft lore paper to smack you with*

Yes, player character wise. hahaha

[Elhanan]

As I recall, the one Elf in DA2 that made me flinch more than any other was the Dalish Assassin out to kill the ex-lycanthrope. The style looked more like a modernistic punk band groupie than a race typified by beauty w/ facial tats. IMO. It was these kinds of jarring alterations from the experienced lore that bothered me the most of the change. I had to accept such a sim look in Skyrim for Elves as I had no prior expectation on how they should appear, as this was my first TES game.

But when the Michelle Pfeiffer look alike in the Cousland origin was changed so drastically, it did spoil the immersion for me, even if that term is overused in RPG's.

[Regan Cousland]

How does everyone know what the DA:I elves look like? I can't find pictures anywhere. Just lots of threads discussing these imaginary pictures. lol

Modifié par Regan Cousland, 25 août 2013 - 05:14 .

[Sylvianus]

Elves concept.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 25 août 2013 - 05:17 .

[Parmida]

Are you serious people!? Those DA2 elves were FUGLY! except Merrill and Fenris.
The DA:I new design is much better. I even would have prefered it if they'd have gone back to DA:O (yes humans with pointy ears) but that's something that I'm hoping I can fix for myself in character creator.

[JWvonGoethe]

To be fair, DA2 vastly improved the look of the Qunari at least. The elves were passable in DA2, probably a little better than the DA:O elves in that they didn't just look like "short humans with pointy ears." The low-res faces of some elf NPCs in DA2 were horrible, however, and looked worse than anything seen in DA:O.

The elf concept art for Inquisition looks better than what I've seen in the previous games. The female elf in particular looks otherworldly without being just plain odd.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 25 août 2013 - 05:28 .

[Regan Cousland]

Thanks, Sylvianus!

Is this image the best we have so far?

If the elves end up looking like this in-game, I'll be happy. Something about their facial structure is still distinctly non-human and alien, but these elves aren't as far-out-there and unattractive as a lot of DA2's elves. BioWare may have found a good compromise.

I definitely don't want a return to the small, human-looking Origins elves, though. All races should have unique physical characteristics beyond mere height to differentiate them. 

Modifié par Regan Cousland, 25 août 2013 - 05:49 .