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Elf Design in DAI a Step Backward?

Débuté par The Serge777 , août 24 2013 01:23

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 05:42

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Regan Cousland wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

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Elves concept.


Thanks, Sylvianus!

Is this image the best we have so far?

If the elves end up looking like this in-game, I'll be happy. Something about their facial structure is still distinctly non-human and alien, but they're not as far-out-there and unattractive as a lot of DA2's elves. BioWare may have found a good compromise.


Yeah, best we got so far.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 07:16

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Someone on page 2 mentioned a part in the stolen throne where " In The Stolen Throne, Maric realizes why some people are attracted to elves, with their alien eyes".

I myself have never read it so I cannot confirm what the quote is exactly, but it does sound like he is saying he can see why some people find elves attractive with their unusual features, which would imply they don't look 100% human facially. 


All right, I probably missed that part. Still, how are the eyes described as "alien"? Do they look like fly eyes? Do they look like eyes that physically cannot belong on humanoids? Or is it metaphorically alien, as in physically human-looking eyes that just have some... essence that people find haunting. Like those classic "behind those eyes" descriptions.

Don't get me wrong: while I liked the fact that they were trying to make the elves look different I though the vast majority of Dragon Age 2's elves were downright fugly. I always thought the lore implied elves looked exotic and differed from humans in good-looking and attractive ways, not the very strange and awkward appearances shown in Dragon Age 2.

You say that elves are beautiful and majestic, maybe even "ethereal" but surely saying that they can be considered more beatiful and majestic than humans implies that they look different to humans, if in a positive way. It's hard to be considered beautiful and majestic comapred to humans when they look exactly the same as humans, which they did in Origins, in my opinion. It's implied the Elves look different, but as you said, in a good-looking and exotic way.


I said "sometimes implied to be ethereally so." As in not always, not for every elf, and not to every human. Maybe only some elves look that pretty (as attractiveness scales with elves the same way it scales for humans), or some humans think some elves are that pretty (since tastes vary with them as much as everyone else), but it's not like they all look like forest nymphs ready to enchant humans away.

My point is they're seen as attractive on the whole, and this made more sense in DA:O than DA2. I daresay their design in DA:O was not immersion-breaking for me because they're described as slim, lithe, nimble, dexterous, and other adjectives that seems to fit with their slim design. Being described as "lithe, nimble and dexterous" also implies that the way they move and walk can contribute to their perceived attractiveness. While this would have been far too difficult to animate for every elven character in the game (as it was a very ambitious project), I've no doubt it was in mind since characters use those words to describe them.


I'm hoping inquisition can make them look attractive while still exotic and different enough to match comments about them looking unusual compared to humans. 

They're shorter, slimmer, and more lithe than most humans, which is unusual compared to humans. The new designs show more angular features, large pointed ears and large almond-shaped eyes, which are unusual compared to humans.

They have features that many humans consider attractive, but much more pronounced and much more common within their race than most humans (who mostly aren't that slim, lithe, angular, etc.). So they probably would be seen as unusual by humans in-universe (since Thedas doesn't have a pop culture that bombards them with images of beautiful skinny humans like ours does), but still decently attractive to real humans looking at the screen.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 07:21

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The redesign is just fan service like the whole race thing.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:02

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Considering elves from DA2 were basically western-cartoonish final fantasy fairies makes me want to embrace this step backwards. Heck yeah, get rid of that anime appeal. It sucks.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:04

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eye basher wrote...

The redesign is just fan service like the whole race thing.


Is having combat in a game fanservice too?

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:05

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LPPrince wrote...

Regan Cousland wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Image IPB

Elves concept.


Thanks, Sylvianus!

Is this image the best we have so far?

If the elves end up looking like this in-game, I'll be happy. Something about their facial structure is still distinctly non-human and alien, but they're not as far-out-there and unattractive as a lot of DA2's elves. BioWare may have found a good compromise.


Yeah, best we got so far.

This is a 300x step over DA2's sh**** doe-eye cartoon-style. haters gonna hate on me, but I hate anime because more than 50 percent of it is the most generic crap on earth. If Bioware is trying to immerse me into their world, this is how they should do it!

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:06

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eye basher wrote...

The redesign is just fan service like the whole race thing.


Romances (Are largely) and Cameos are fanservice.  This is not.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:19

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just wait til people find out that the price of this redesign is elves having Quarian legs

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:28

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Linkenski wrote...

Considering elves from DA2 were basically western-cartoonish final fantasy fairies makes me want to embrace this step backwards. Heck yeah, get rid of that anime appeal. It sucks.

To you maybe.

I myself prefer anime elves to Tolkien ones.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:31

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Linkenski wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Regan Cousland wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Image IPB

Elves concept.


Thanks, Sylvianus!

Is this image the best we have so far?

If the elves end up looking like this in-game, I'll be happy. Something about their facial structure is still distinctly non-human and alien, but they're not as far-out-there and unattractive as a lot of DA2's elves. BioWare may have found a good compromise.


Yeah, best we got so far.

This is a 300x step over DA2's sh**** doe-eye cartoon-style. haters gonna hate on me, but I hate anime because more than 50 percent of it is the most generic crap on earth. If Bioware is trying to immerse me into their world, this is how they should do it!

I could say the same for Western shows and movies.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 08:32

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eye basher wrote...

The redesign is just fan service like the whole race thing.


So? I like having nice things.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 09:07

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Linkenski wrote...

Considering elves from DA2 were basically western-cartoonish final fantasy fairies makes me want to embrace this step backwards. Heck yeah, get rid of that anime appeal. It sucks.


Err, what? What are you even trying to say? Are you saying DA2 elves looked more like anime elves than western elves?
In that case, you'd be wrong. Western myths describe elves as ranging beautiful white clad women who may or may not have been the cause of diseases to fairylike creatures that wear pointy hats than live in mushrooms.
Tolkien took the germanic myth and gave it his own spin (which the majority of people now shamelessly copy more efficiently than a xerox machine)
Japanese myth does not contain elves, since they only came in contact with western myth the past few decades (I'd say around the 1950's) and virtually all elves used in anime are just pointy-eared humans that live in forest (pretty much exactly Tolkien).

I know this forum has a tendency to write off everything as "the japs made them do it", but really, you're just making yourself look like an absolute bellend.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 09:26

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Not even sure why so many people hate anime. Is there something I don't know about?

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 09:29

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Regan Cousland wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Image IPB

Elves concept.


Thanks, Sylvianus!

Is this image the best we have so far?

If the elves end up looking like this in-game, I'll be happy. Something about their facial structure is still distinctly non-human and alien, but they're not as far-out-there and unattractive as a lot of DA2's elves. BioWare may have found a good compromise.


Yeah, best we got so far.

This is a 300x step over DA2's sh**** doe-eye cartoon-style. haters gonna hate on me, but I hate anime because more than 50 percent of it is the most generic crap on earth. If Bioware is trying to immerse me into their world, this is how they should do it!

I could say the same for Western shows and movies.


This. I can't tell you how sick I am at the majority of the shows being "Lawman with past investigates unusual crimes and uncovers conspiracy with sexy female partner." or "Young kid gets powers and fights stuff with lots of puns and theme based villians while also being obnoxious to older sibling or mentor/authority figure".

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 09:30

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Bionuts wrote...

Not even sure why so many people hate anime. Is there something I don't know about?



I love anime, lots of BSN does. Why people would be voting for the alien things that were called elves in DA2, I can't explain that.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 09:32

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slimgrin wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Not even sure why so many people hate anime. Is there something I don't know about?



I love anime, lots of BSN does. Why people would be voting for the alien things that were called elves in DA2, I can't explain that.


I think it's the disconect in art style to be honest. Everyone else doesn't look too animeish, more simply stylized than anything else, and than all of a sudden you have these highly eastern animation influenced characters pop up and look radically different than the other people. Fenris and Merrill, despite me liking them, do look more like they belong in final fantasy than they do dragon age.

It would be like if everyone in dragon age 2 looked normal, and than all of a sudden you see dwarves, and they're all minecraft animation looking. It would be too weird to see the clash in art style play out.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 09:40

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Bionuts wrote...

Not even sure why so many people hate anime. Is there something I don't know about?


Personally it comes from watching ever repeating backgrounds and excessively widened eyes on the few animated shows I did see. Not for me....

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There are a lot of elves in anime (hell, including "dawn of the seeker") who don't bear much resemblance to the DA2 elves. I think people just give it that label to add weight to what were already reasonable objections to the new (well, not new anymore) style.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 10:25

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Elhanan wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Not even sure why so many people hate anime. Is there something I don't know about?


Personally it comes from watching ever repeating backgrounds and excessively widened eyes on the few animated shows I did see. Not for me....


But isn't American TV (I'm American) the same? Fat dad that watches Football, college students competing in singing contest, high school student wanting attention, gritty court case, etc.

The hate for anime is probably just people clinging on to something to feel connected to others. Just as music, clothes, etc., is done the same.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 10:40

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

Considering elves from DA2 were basically western-cartoonish final fantasy fairies makes me want to embrace this step backwards. Heck yeah, get rid of that anime appeal. It sucks.

To you maybe.

I myself prefer anime elves to Tolkien ones.




Please don´t compare Deedrit and Piroteus (or whatever their english spelling is) to those things from DA2.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 10:44

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I doubt most people that "hate" anime have actually taken the time to watch serious ones. American movies and tv shows have less emotion and drama than some most of these Japanese cartoons.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 11:24

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Bionuts wrote...

I doubt most people that "hate" anime have actually taken the time to watch serious ones. American movies and tv shows have less emotion and drama than some most of these Japanese cartoons.


Let´s see...

Ghost in the Shell? (any version)
Planettes?
Cowboy Bebop?
Moribito?
Anything by Miyazaki?
Anything by Urasawa?

Just look beyond standard shonen/shojo. Anime is a medium, not a genre.

And anime elves are easy on the eyes. DA2 were worse than Morrowind´s (although to be fair, everybody was ugly in that game).

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 11:24

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Bionuts wrote...

But isn't American TV (I'm American) the same? Fat dad that watches Football, college students competing in singing contest, high school student wanting attention, gritty court case, etc.

The hate for anime is probably just people clinging on to something to feel connected to others. Just as music, clothes, etc., is done the same.


Wrong one to ask; only have seen a few episodes of King of the Hill when it started. As for the others, have chosen not to watch them (ie; Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Beevis & B, South Park, etc). Dislike all of it.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 11:42

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I love the look of the Elves in DA:I

I hated the way the elves looked in DA2.

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Posté 25 août 2013 - 11:44

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Elhanan wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

But isn't American TV (I'm American) the same? Fat dad that watches Football, college students competing in singing contest, high school student wanting attention, gritty court case, etc.

The hate for anime is probably just people clinging on to something to feel connected to others. Just as music, clothes, etc., is done the same.


Wrong one to ask; only have seen a few episodes of King of the Hill when it started. As for the others, have chosen not to watch them (ie; Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Beevis & B, South Park, etc). Dislike all of it.


Well, I quit watching TV some time ago.

The fat dad who watches Football is the most overdone of all.
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