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[Giant ambush beetle]

Personality Disorder wrote...

Would sticking to a less extravagant and perhapes more streamlined silhouette, but keeping the majority of details unchanged make any difference then, to you personally? In fact, do you feel the same way about the armour directly under the one you've chosen in Tentakel's post?

Was this post aimed at me or Wulfram?

[andar91]

I want more mage pants. All of the mage pants. That Skyrim example was nice, and some of DA2's mage outfits were nice.

I would love for the rogues to get some sort of armor similar to Leliana's from the Sacred Ashes trailer (or in her concept art).

[Personality Disorder]

@The Woldan
I edited it, sorry about that.

[Wulfram]

Personality Disorder wrote...

@Wulfram

Would sticking to a less extravagant and perhapes more streamlined silhouette, but keeping the majority of details unchanged make any difference then, to you personally? In fact, do you feel the same way about the armour below the one you've chosen in Tentakel's post?

Yeah, that one looks better.  Though the angle might be helping.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Personality Disorder wrote...
@The Woldan
All of that is true, but I don't think anyone is putting that much thought into these designs. They are intended to serve a different purpose, after all. That does not mean, however, that the compromise between the historical accuracy and fantasy wish fulfilment cannot be found.

I agree. I tend to overthink design choices in games and films all the time because I've always been a form-follows-function kind of person, but I too think designers could create armor that pleases both camps. I'm not happy with the current situation as its solely about edgy looks now and I doubt that DAI will be an exception.

Its possible to design good looking armor with no obvious design flaws but I think its a lot harder to make working plate armor that looks good than leather, brigandine or scale mail, the latter kind of armor does follow the lines of the body tightly and does not create ''odd shapes'' for the casual observer, - And you can add tons of cool details without making them too unrealistic.
Maybe thats one reason why I'm a big fan of medium armor, its hard to screw them up.

Armor I like:

Modifié par The Woldan , 24 août 2013 - 11:26 .

[Personality Disorder]

Wulfram wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

@Wulfram

Would sticking to a less extravagant and perhapes more streamlined silhouette, but keeping the majority of details unchanged make any difference then, to you personally? In fact, do you feel the same way about the armour below the one you've chosen in Tentakel's post?

Yeah, that one looks better.  Though the angle might be helping.

I see, and thank you. While it is a matter of taste, I think that something akin to this would be an acceptable middle ground:


Armour looked the way it did for a reason, as has been pointed out. Those reasons, however, might not necessarily be valid in the fantasy setting (they should if the laws of physics in it are largely the same, but it has become a common practice to ignore them). I just don't think that straying too far away from the fundemental principles is wis, especially if one is looking to create a coherent and beliaveble universe.

[Personality Disorder]

The Woldan wrote...

Its possible to design good looking armor with no obvious design flaws but I think its a lot harder to make working plate armor that looks good than leather, brigandine or scale mail, the latter kind of armor does follow the lines of the body tightly and does not create ''odd shapes'' for the casual observer, - And you can add tons of cool details without making them too unrealistic.
Maybe thats one reason why I'm a big fan of medium armor, its hard to screw them up.

Absolutely! I actually prefer it myself. It can be a lot more forgiving in terms of design; full plate - much less so.

Modifié par Personality Disorder, 24 août 2013 - 11:53 .

[Das Tentakel]

The Woldan wrote...

Its possible to design good looking armor with no obvious design flaws but I think its a lot harder to make working plate armor that looks good than leather, brigandine or scale mail, the latter kind of armor does follow the lines of the body tightly and does not create ''odd shapes'' for the casual observer, - And you can add tons of cool details without making them too unrealistic.
Maybe thats one reason why I'm a big fan of medium armor, its hard to screw them up.

I don't know about that. I don't think the shape is that much of a problem, as long as you avoid divisive extremes in form and shape. However, one problem with plate armour, admittedly, is the weird 'stretching'  during animation; plate armour is not really 'articulated' armour (as it should be) in videogames. But that 'stretching' also applies to chainmail or a brigandine. Ideally, you want a brigandine or scale armour to remain fairly stiff, and chainmail to be animated using a physics system.

Anyway, we seem to agree that the Rule of Cool prevails in most videogames - unfortunately, that Rule is not a Rule, but subjective opinion and varies per person. One's person 'rule of cool' is another person's Epitome of Excessively Stupid Retardicity. 
And it depends on the game. I accept things in WoW (as long as it doesn't try to do 'serious') or Amalur I am very unhappy about in DA and would find totally unacceptable in The Witcher or Assassin's Creed.

[Vilegrim]

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Modifié par Vilegrim, 25 août 2013 - 12:10 .

[Renmiri1]

I adored the Dragon Age Awakenings armors

   

Modifié par Renmiri1, 25 août 2013 - 12:52 .

[Celtic Latino]

I would just like to see armors 'mixed and matched', such as the option to have hoods for warriors, robes for rogues, and some armor for mages, but each of these types are tailored to the character's class.

Hoods and robes would become more 'armored' for warriors (or bulkier) while they would become more flamboyant and 'wizardly' for mages.

Armor of course would depend. Warriors can get the whole ordeal in plate, while rogues would probably get some protective pauldrons and leg-guards, but enough to be functional and agile. Mages would probably have a breastplate fit over their armor.

Also, flamboyant clothes for all classes. Red mage flared feathered hats, attractive silk coats, leggings (dresses/skirts for the ladies if applicable/optional), we ARE going to be in Orlais, and I'd love to have my Inquisitor have some style too.

Given Inquisiton aims to do this, I really look forward to see what turns out.

[Undead Han]

In Exile wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Armor that looks practical and is inspired by real historical designs.

There should be no weird spikes coming out of the armor for no apparent reason, and no pauldrons of ridiculousness. The designs should look pragmatic rather than silly. Unfortunately most RPGs completely fail in that regard.

I will never, ever understand why any of those designs are supposed to look good. I appreciate that they're practical and functional, but good? Bleh. 

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I think all of the above look far better than the cartoony stuff seen in many RPGs, where characters often wear armor with pauldrons that look like they weigh 60 pounds, or have random useless things like spikes coming out of them.

[Undead Han]

Since everyone has been posting pictures of male armor, how about some female versions?

[fiveforchaos]

So when you say armor, you mean besides That Hat?

Personally I'd like to see something less "armory" looking for rogues, or at least armor that's easily covered up by more civilian clothes. I don't care what Assassin's Creed tells you, a man wearing an old coat and work boots will blend into a crowd far easier than a man adorned with a brand new set of leather armor. Disguises are a proud roguish tradtion dating back to the famous Japanese ninja and beyond.

Modifié par fiveforchaos, 25 août 2013 - 05:37 .

[Mecha Elf]

Sexy rogue armor lol plz. Sorry I like playing as a femme fatale seductress type of character.

[Vaeliorin]

Han Shot First wrote...

I have a hard time equating good with an Uwe Boll movie, but this does look nice.

That said, a lot of the decorated historic armor that people post pictures of (here and elsewhere) looks absolutely terrible to me.  It's usually so busy, so overly ornamented (which I imagine had a lot to do with displaying weatlh) that I think it looks terrible.  One of the ones posted in this thread even looks like some hilarious Middle Ages robot or something.  Some of the simpler stuff looks good, however.  While I don't hate fantasy armor, I don't mind the historical look either (so long as it's not so overdone...although that wasp waist does look weird and uncomfortable.)

[MaraGriffyn]

Just... more pants for mages, for goodness' sake!!

[Illyria]

Mage Pants. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS.

[Das Tentakel]

Vaeliorin wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I have a hard time equating good with an Uwe Boll movie, but this does look nice.

It's a horrible example of the understated end of generic fantasy armour, but Leelee Sobieski makes it look good.
But then, she'd probably make a potato sack look good, too.
Preferred her in 'Joan of Arc'*, though :innocent:.

Vaeliorin wrote...
That said, a lot of the decorated historic armor that people post pictures of (here and elsewhere) looks absolutely terrible to me.  It's usually so busy, so overly ornamented (which I imagine had a lot to do with displaying weatlh) that I think it looks terrible.  One of the ones posted in this thread even looks like some hilarious Middle Ages robot or something.

Modern western bourgeois aesthetics . Always shocked by historical reality .

Actually, I thought a lot of it overdone as well, but I do admire the artistry of it all. I personally prefer low to middling levels of decoration.

But posting these was exactly the point, assuming much of DA:I takes place in Orlais and while it's not a very French place (apart from some names), Orlesians do appear to like ostentation.
Some Renaissance armours are probably also meant to be humorous, Henry VIII's horned helmet with glasses being an example. They are also all functional (more or less), providing examples of how 'fantasy armour' can look, if you go for maximum (even overdone) 'prettiness'. Or just weirdness.

Vaeliorin wrote... ...although that wasp waist does look weird and uncomfortable.)

It isn't. I have only worn Roman and early medieval armour, but I do know quite a few people who wear these kinds of armour. Provided it's custom-made and the armourer knows his / her job, they have told me it's surprisingly comfortable. Biggest problems with real historical armour are weight (and its distribution) and lack of ventilation (last one particularly with plate armour), not the practicality of the design per se.

*As an extra, Ingrid Bergman in an earlier 'Joan of Arc' :

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 25 août 2013 - 11:18 .

[nightcobra]

 since we're picking styles of armor you'd like to see then here's what i'd like


for noble parties, or just strolling around a city





the heavy armors






for the reavers powered up on dragon blood




a desert bandit sort of look




one for the mages




one for the dwarves




and one for warlords

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 août 2013 - 11:47 .

[Fishy]

For my Dwarf .. Somethinmg like this.. It need to  scream .. i am a battle hardened dwarf and I am going to kick your ass.

Modifié par Suprez30, 25 août 2013 - 12:02 .

[Das Tentakel]

illyrian wrote...

Mage Pants. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS.

No pants today, my love has gone away
The robe lies for lorn, a symbol of the dawn
No pants today, it seems a common sight
But people passing by don't know the reason why



How could they know just what this message means
The end of my hopes, the end of all my dreams
How could they know the palace there had been
Behind the door where my love reigned as queen



Not even kilts today, it wasn't always so
The company was gay, we'd turn night into day



Remember, support the 'Pants fit for Heroes*' campaign! 


*(preferably without spandex  )

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 25 août 2013 - 12:10 .

[BigBad]

All I want is armor that comes in complete matching sets, armor that doesn't have horrendous clipping issues, and armor that doesn't look as utterly ridiculous as the Spiky Armor of No Hugs or the Golden Prince armor from DA2.

And while on the clipping issue, that goes quadruple for shields.

[Rolling Flame]

TsadeeHekate wrote...

16th century but as mix and match is being applied already, this would be a nice Orlesian helmet:


As horses are being introduced in the game this Spanish horse helmet would look great.

I can certainly see Chevaliers wearing something like that.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Han Shot First wrote...

Since everyone has been posting pictures of male armor, how about some female versions?

As you wish m'lord.

Women in reasonable armor:

(Cassandra would look great in this one. )

Modifié par The Woldan , 25 août 2013 - 01:50 .