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[The Night Mammoth]

Well I thought it was well written.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Well I thought it was well written.

Thank you, then? Thanks to anyone who took the time to read that textual behemoth, anyways.

[spirosz]

Throwing some Pyjacks at the Reapers then going dancing with Jack.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Fighting side by side with squadmates (beam run doesn't count) until the end. Option to defeat or be defeated by the reapers based on gameplay/choices (1. all reapers destroyed 2. reapers destroy all. 3. Control: Shep is indoctrinated, takes over and continues the cycle 4. Control: Shep takes over and stops reapers)....none of that sacrifice-geth-and-edi crap and no creepy green synthetic and organic combo.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but the ghost kid idea isn't totally flawed---based upon your choices up to that point determines the image the catalyst shows. Indoctrinated? You get those goofy dreams and star child at the end. Not indoctrinated but going for control? You see a reaper (perhaps harbinger). Going for the destroy route? Maybe something like glyph...or nothing at all.

[Hadeedak]

I would have liked some of the squad to make it up with Shepard, and would have given my right arm (metaphorically) for priority Earth to break the 2 squadmate system, or at least see the squad being involved as in Citadel. "Here we are! Final push! Everything comes down to this! All our irons are in this fire! ....Okay, Garrus and Tali, come with me, everyone else go do something else!" It'd have been nice to see the whole squad, including ME2 and ME1 squaddies, as involved in the beam run or at least fighting off Reaper forces while Garrus and Tali and Shepard do their usual thing (Garrus and Tali only symbolically represent whoever your Shepard hangs out with most here).

I do understand why only Shep made it to the Catalyst, but it did feel rather lonely. I guess I'd keep it that way, though, rather than deal with the squad trying to throw themselves on the metaphorical grenade instead of Shepard.

I also would have had the ghost child do the rather cool and creepy thing the Leviathan did: switching between 'faces' to interface with Shepard. Seriously, if it went from Virmire death to Thane to the kid to Mordin to Samara, switching back and forth between casualties, I would have lost my @*#&@ in a very good way. Staying as the kid made it feel a bit too much like Avina. I have an irrational hatred of Avina.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 26 août 2013 - 02:33 .

[Kunari801]

KaiserShep wrote...

I expected to have the entire Normandy squad on the ground similar to the suicide mission, with certain choices or perhaps a mix of EMS and max surviving squadmates determining their various fates. I didn't expect the Crucible to straight up destroy the reapers without a catch, but I expected the catch to make more sense.

^-That.   I figured there'd be a grand SM, splitting squaddies into multiple teams and even helping assign the ME2 squaddies too.  Then leading a squad, fighting though Reapers forces to the beam, during the mission(s) to reach the beam some of the teams would be lost (unlike the SM some will die no matter what).  Then once on the Citadel a little regrouping and more missions to reach the controls to open the arms. I actually expected the Crucible would require Shepard (or someone) to stay behind and trigger it. I started ME3 fully expecting my Shepard to die.

[mupp3tz]

I would have liked more closure with my squad and to see how all my work played out rather than just generic scenes at the end. I would definitely have written more screen time for the squad during the final push (BAMF moments or emotional ones, whichever) and shown things like the Turians being backed by Krogan, having the odds turn on them, then watch the Rachni swoop in to save them.. or collaboration between the Quarians and Geth. Contrarily, seeing one species sabotage another or have more casualties because they were not supported enough, etc.

I was expecting/prepared for a Shepard death.. so long as I felt that it was worth it. The Walking Dead, for example, was not a happy ending, but I felt satisfied and that I had done all I could. I didn't feel that way at all when I finished ME3 the first time.  One just simply had a sense of closure and ending that I felt was fitting.  Though maybe it's also having spent so many years playing ME, while TWD was just a stand alone.  IDK.  I guess you could say my expectations had been built up too high?

I also wanted to have that same feeling as the Suicide Mission. Where I felt like this was MY team and we were going to do this together, knowing the risks involved. I found that component to be a huge mistake in not including. There was no sense in pride of all the accomplishments, just a small child blindsiding me.  

At the end of the game, I felt like that there was more that needed to be told afterwards.. it didn't at all feel like an accomplishment that it should have.  I felt like how the writers probably wanted me to feel at Thessia.. like I was so close but hadn't done enough.  And that just kind of left me disappointed.  I didn't feel like I wasted my time per se, but it was just so underwhelming.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 26 août 2013 - 03:15 .

[Faerloch]

 I would have replaced the Catalyst Kid with Harbinger. Shepard opening the Citadel doors and activating the catalyst prompts this scene.

Shepard, the head Leviathan, and Harbinger are pulled into that mystical Matrix psychotic water-world you get in the Leviathan DLC. Of course, you get an awesome view of the battle above Earth. There, Harbinger explains the Reapers can't waste anymore resources harvesting humans, for they have a more pressing war of their own going on. Harbinger explains the Reapers have been at war for millions of years, and they've sped up the cycles to gain access to resources, the civilizations, quicker. But their enemy, XXXXXX who rebelled similar to the way the Reapers turned on Leviathan.

Now, Harbinger, exhausted at the resources wasted in completing this cycle, is asking for help to defeat XXXXX once and for all. In return, the Reapers will cease all harvesting and never disturb this part of space again. Leviathan objects, and is ready to kill Harbinger right then and there.

Shepard has two choices: blue and red.

Blue: Make peace between the Reapers and Leviathan, and pledge human allegiance to synthetics when they return to ask for help against XXXXX.

Red: Let Leviathan kill Harbinger, disorienting the Reapers and allowing for their destruction. XXXXX will probably win the war against the Reapers and eventually come to you, but we don't know when that is.

Either way, XXXXX will be a problem for the future, whether it be 30 years or 1,000. Whatever, I just wrote the first thing that came to my head. I didn't hate ME3's ending, but the motives behind the Reapers could have been cooler.

Edit: yeah Shepard explains this to galactic civilization. Afterward, his/her team gives them the thumbs up, amazed that Shepard was able to amass a force strong enough to bring the Reapers to a stalemate. 

Jack grows more hair and Shepard marries her. The first kid dies in childbirth but the couple doesn't give up. A year after the Giant Panda goes extinct, Jack gives birth to twins, Luke and Leia. Shepard goes crazy and kills Jack only to be killed by his children. But then they come back to life and ride horses as a happy family. 

Modifié par Faerloch, 26 août 2013 - 03:43 .

[ForceXev]

I didn't need an entirely different ending.  Bioware's ending might have worked with some changes.

For example, the Catalyst would have made much more sense if he was not the creator of the Reapers.  It didn't make any sense that the Protheans and other organic races before them would design a weapon that requires cooperation from the "Reaper God" in order to work, and it doesn't make sense that the "Reaper God" does indeed cooperate to destroy his own creations.  I think most versions of Shepard (especially a renegade Shep) were in no mood to have a conversation with the Catalyst once he reveals that he created the Reapers.  It's supposed to be this big lore moment, but I think most people were just thinking "when do I get to kill this bastard?"

Instead the Catalyst should have been a creation (AI maybe?) of one of the earliest races that fought the Reapers -- maybe the species that most of the Reaper ships' appearance is based on.  Since the appearance of the Reapers is based on the races that they have "processed," the Catalyst could have looked like a Reaper except organic (and much smaller).  Since so many Reaper ships look like this race, they are probably the most powerful species that the Reapers ever "culled" and learning their story would have been much more interesting and less frustrating than basically being talked-down to by the creator of the enemy you've been trying to destroy for 3 games.

This change wouldn't fix everything with the ending, but it's one significant piece of the puzzle that would have made the ending much more acceptable to me.

Modifié par ForceXev, 26 août 2013 - 03:49 .

[N7lightingWarrior]

With the EC I think the ending was ok but if I could change something that would be the destroy ending. I want to have the opportunity to save EDI and the geth if you gather the necessary war assets. Instead of targeting "the Crucible" every synthetic, it could target every one with dark energy and so "KABOOM" bye bye Reapers

[Reorte]

Kunari801 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I expected to have the entire Normandy squad on the ground similar to the suicide mission, with certain choices or perhaps a mix of EMS and max surviving squadmates determining their various fates. I didn't expect the Crucible to straight up destroy the reapers without a catch, but I expected the catch to make more sense.

^-That.   I figured there'd be a grand SM, splitting squaddies into multiple teams and even helping assign the ME2 squaddies too.  Then leading a squad, fighting though Reapers forces to the beam, during the mission(s) to reach the beam some of the teams would be lost (unlike the SM some will die no matter what).  Then once on the Citadel a little regrouping and more missions to reach the controls to open the arms. I actually expected the Crucible would require Shepard (or someone) to stay behind and trigger it. I started ME3 fully expecting my Shepard to die.

I'm always against "someone will die no matter what." As I've said before that just comes across as the writers dicking with you. On the other hand if someone dies because you made a mistake then it really hits home and is infinitely more effective.

I'd split the teams with various other parts of the ground forces, needing maximum points in whatever war asset they're associated with for them to survive (probably need lots of points in others to keep the Reapers busy in space instead of taking potshots at people on the ground too). Better still if it could be different every game somehow, so you need to work out what to do for every playthrough instead of just being able to metagame the outcome you want.

As for the " I didn't expect the Crucible to straight up destroy the reapers without a catch, but I expected the catch to make more sense" unfortunately when you've got something with such stupendous arbitrary power then any negative outcomes are going to make as little sense as the positive ones so will always feel like they got chucked in there just to avoid making things look too good, rather for any sensible reason. That's why I'd prefer a Crucible that just gave enough of the edge over the Reapers that victory would eventually be possible, but isn't an instant win button. But that would never get put in because it doesn't allow for the big final solution moment (think for a bit why just about any story based on a real war concentrates on individual missions rather than the whole war - they never end in a big, dramatic conclusion).

[Kataphrut94]

The problem with doing a suicide-mission style thing in Mass Effect 3 is that the squad is too small and too easily defined. Even if you add in the non-playable ME2 squaddies, the fact still remains that you can enter the final battle with everyone bar Liara, James and EDI dead. Dismiss it all you like, but you'd need to take that outcome into account when programming it. Mass Effect 2 didn't have that problem because you had to recruit at least 8 people before launching the mission.

Don't get me wrong, if someone could come up with a way to make a suicide mission structure in ME3's finale work I'd be impressed. But until then, I'd prefer a Priority: Earth that has just a little more variance in allies and enemies.

[wright1978]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

The problem with doing a suicide-mission style thing in Mass Effect 3 is that the squad is too small and too easily defined. Even if you add in the non-playable ME2 squaddies, the fact still remains that you can enter the final battle with everyone bar Liara, James and EDI dead. Dismiss it all you like, but you'd need to take that outcome into account when programming it. Mass Effect 2 didn't have that problem because you had to recruit at least 8 people before launching the mission.

Don't get me wrong, if someone could come up with a way to make a suicide mission structure in ME3's finale work I'd be impressed. But until then, I'd prefer a Priority: Earth that has just a little more variance in allies and enemies.

Don't see why that should be an issue, If you've managed to get both your entire squads wiped out then that should have a serious negative impact if there was an ME3 suicide mission.

[Fatiguesdualism]

After ME3?  Right at the end of the Suicide Mission!

@Kataphrut94 - A suicide mission might have been possible, if some War Assets had been interchangeable with surviving characters -eg Situation A could be solved by either Character A, Character B or War Asset 1 - else if none present then Situation A fails- that kind of idea.  As it is the WAs are pretty much irrelevant to...well...almost everything.  (Readiness Level is admittedly -slightly- different)

How would I have liked ME3 to end - Squadmates!   Rant Warning (there's a simple summary for a penultimate paragraph if you can't bothered to wade through the rest)

OK so going in we get the blueprints (shudder) from the get-go - fine, we'll have to deal with that.  Now as you spend the next few hours doing STUFF ALL that's relevant to building that Shiny Gold Altar of the All-Powerful Space Hamster (hey Crucible is shorter! ) lets focus on the control/destroy debate.  Lets explore that with something -maybe some kind of Wheel of Talking concept- perhaps with this cast you've assembled.  Let's give Liara, EDI, James, et al, a starting position (Control 1, Destroy 0 -maybe?) which you can influence through conversation and actions.
Then, during Priority: Earth (assuming we're sticking with the Earth's Special school of reasoning), you've got a now familiar bunch of goons (either chanting 'Control' or 'Destroy' ) throwing themselves at the Reapers for you.  Now depending on a series of Situations (let's just ditch 'Readiness' - keep your Multiplayer separate from your Story, others have done so successfully, EA!) member of your team either Die or Not Die on that particular mud-ball.
Now the final choice Destroy or Control (bye, bye Not Very Plausible Synthesis )?  Well Shepard (and the player) doesn't get to make it!  Instead Shep (and player) are stuck (pinned in a fire-fight maybe) whilst one of the surviving Squadmates (with which you have discussed the topic -or not- player's choice) flicks the switch which matches the higher of their Destroy/Control scale (no woefully contrived 'sacrifice' is really needed, I think).  No surviving Squadmates?  Then it's Reaper-Goo time!
The Epilogue.  [deleted by author]  To be honest I liked the concept of speculations, cut-to-black idea -excluding the New Eden schtick- but it was handled poorly and seems to be unpopular so you'll probably need something here ala Fallout/DA:O.  Afterwards, thank the player, mention your team's hard work and dedication, DON'T end with Buy More Stuff!

Summary:  Squad-mates, influence, final decision isn't made by player at end (via glowing pop-up) but by actions and conversations in game.

Instead we got Earth, Mars, Pointless Filler, and then pick your favourite colour.  (Yes I'm being intentionally derogatory here, in case anyone was wondering! )

Modifié par Fatiguesdualism, 26 août 2013 - 01:30 .

[DesioPL]

Simple...

Devoured by the old gods... Even the... "God child" with rEApers...

[PavitetaLovesGarrus]

The ending was alright after the extended cut, but I'm still disappointed I didn't get see any Turian-Human babies...

[Dubozz]

Suicide Mission 2.0 with every ME 1-3 squadmates and war assets involved. Earth should be unrecognizable at all.
Boss battle with harbinger (me1 ending choice)
Storming the citadel (if citadel is fortified bailey and aria survives)
Plot twist reapers designed the crucible (lots of speculations)
Illusive man-control destroy choices (no f****** starbrat or synthesys)
Me1 ending

Modifié par Dubozz, 26 août 2013 - 01:54 .

[N7lightingWarrior]

Right after the breath scene I would want to hear from the romance option "Shepard are you ok? Please wake up. The Reapers are gone. You did it!! Please wake up, wake up!!!" and then it ends just like James Cameron movie Avatar. The screen moves up to Shepard's eye as he/she opens it with a climatic epic music.

[Manc4life7]

I am actually ok with the ending as it is, post-EC.  It's far from perfect, but not worthy of the overwhelming rage we all witnessed over the past year.  That being said......

ME2 was so great because the SM truly was the culmination of everything you worked for up until that point.  The grand finale of ME3 should have been the culmination of everything you have done in the Mass Effect universe (all 3 games) up until that point - and it just wasn't.  That, to me, is where it fell short.  As others have said, it just felt disconnected with the rest of the series.  So, to remedy that:

Priority: Earth lauches as a true "all hands on deck" effort.  All squadmates left available are part of your push to the London command center, a la the Citadel DLC.  You observe them as they push parallel to you through the fight, even being called upon to make a tough decision or two (what to do/who should do it).  Poor choices, based on squadmate skills and even available war assets, can lead to squadmate deaths through this sequence.  And all throughout this sequence you should be shown the larger battle raging around you and your squad, which only comprise the "tip of the spear" in this assault.  Poor galactic readiness or few surviving squad members prior to the start of this mission should manifest itself in heavy losses for the good guys, and a growing sense of hopelessness/dread.  Better galactic readiness and lots of other squadmates to help in the fight should see you breaking through to the London command post in higher spirits, with a sense that the battle can be won. 

Eventually, you push through to the command center where you and the surviving squadmates can catch your breath and regroup.  I have no problem with the induvidual "goodbyes" to each squad member at this point.

After the breather, the push to the Citadel beam begins, again with "all hands on deck".  This is the battle to end all battles, so it needs to feel it!  The scale should be bigger than anything yet seen in ME.  Again, your non-direct squad members form other teams and push through parallel to you, and again, tactical choices must be made.  These choices should be tougher, with a much higher chance of squadmate deaths taking place.  As things look start to look dark(er), you make it though the beam with your 2 direct squadmates.  During the battle the beam is damaged, and it closes after you make it through, thereby limiting the number of squad members involved in the final sequence (plus Anderson).

After coming through the beam bruised and bloodied, you and your squad fight your way to the arm controls (the Reapers are in control of the Citadel, right?).  You have to leave your two squadmates behind to hold the line and buy you time as you reach the controls to find TIM and Anderson already there.  Poor galactic readiness will cause one or both of your squad mates to give their lives holding the Reapers back as you decide the fate of the galaxy.

In a tense, "pressed for time" exchange, the TIM and Anderson give their pitches for Control/Destroy.  You make your choice, TIM or Anderson is gunned down after struggling because their choice isn't picked, and you limp on to carry out the final act.  Starchild manifests itself as any number of entities based on your previous choices, and tries to dissuade you from your task.  Final boss battle takes place, you succeed (or don't, in which case you get a nice "Reapers kill everyone" sequence), and implement Control/Destroy. 

Galactic readiness determines the final outcome.  Did an amazing job preparing your forces (you have 97-100% total possible readiness)?  You kill Starchild, implement your choice, and ride off into the sunset with your squad.  Good, but not great readiness?  Everyone survives, but controls were damaged during the Starchild fight so your Shepard has to give his life to save everyone (stay behind and trigger the device scenario, maybe even after a few heartfelt goodbyes over the radio).  Only decent galactic readiness?  You implement your choice, but you bleed out from injuries sustained during the fight and the last thing you hear on comms is Joker screaming about how your entire squad (as well as most of the Galaxy's forces) have been wiped out and everything is about to crumble (so you "win", but most everyone is dead and it doesn't feel like much of a victory).

And of course the epilouge will vary depending on your final choice and your readiness outcomes.  A "perfect" ending, with Shep and the crew riding off into the sunset in a "Reaper free" or "Alliance controlled Reapers" galaxy, is achievable, but it really takes a lot of work.  Most people will see what they expected - Shep giving his life for the cause.

Obviously the big thing to me is, make all the work before the final push (your galactic readiness) actually matter.  And don't tie it to MP!  The different outcomes based on readiness need to be a sliding scale from "it's all great" to "man, we won but that sucked" - not A, B, C (or red, blue, green).              

[Sir DeLoria]

PavitetaLovesGarrus wrote...

but I'm still disappointed I didn't get see any Turian-Human babies...

Oh god no:blink:

[N7lightingWarrior]

A big badass epic final boss fight with Harbinger! After you say goodbye to everyone you charge to citadel beam and fight Harbinger with every character (from Wrex to Liara and the others,much like the fight in Citadel dlc when you discover Shepard's clone). Before he gets destroyed, Harbinger hits them all with his final beam and Shepard is the only one who stands up and continues to the Citadel. I would not mind ,as I said before, the ending with the EC but a final boss fight (even with TIM would make the game even greater.

[Manc4life7]

N7lightingWarrior wrote...

Right after the breath scene I would want to hear from the romance option "Shepard are you ok? Please wake up. The Reapers are gone. You did it!! Please wake up, wake up!!!" and then it ends just like James Cameron movie Avatar. The screen moves up to Shepard's eye as he/she opens it with a climatic epic music.

While a shameless rip-off, something along those lines would be sick, as a "perfect", Shep lives ending. 

[Iakus]

N7lightingWarrior wrote...

Right after the breath scene I would want to hear from the romance option "Shepard are you ok? Please wake up. The Reapers are gone. You did it!! Please wake up, wake up!!!" and then it ends just like James Cameron movie Avatar. The screen moves up to Shepard's eye as he/she opens it with a climatic epic music.

And instead we don't even get to see Shepard's face. I guess that would make the ending not bittersweet enough or something.