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[Linkenski]

Exactly.

[AlanC9]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

A good ending wouldn't of changed the fact that the game was kind of boring as a whole.

More boring than ME1? 

[Iakus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

A good ending wouldn't of changed the fact that the game was kind of boring as a whole.

The ending isn't the only flaw of the game by any means.  But so so huge ,so wtf-worthy, that it eclipses all else.

Believe me I'd love it if I could just grumble about Ash's new outfit and misplaced plot flags.

[Br3admax]

You can. You chose to blow a game series' conclusion way out of proportions. No one made you come to the forums everyday and complain about how the ending are terrible, in your opinion that you formed, probably, mind you, except for you.

[wright1978]

iakus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

A good ending wouldn't of changed the fact that the game was kind of boring as a whole.

The ending isn't the only flaw of the game by any means.  But so so huge ,so wtf-worthy, that it eclipses all else.

Believe me I'd love it if I could just grumble about Ash's new outfit and misplaced plot flags.

Yep i'd love it if i could just grumble about Auto-dialogue and Miranda's reduced role. Sadly the ending blows all the other stuff out of the water.

[Iakus]

Br3ad wrote...

You can. You chose to blow a game series' conclusion way out of proportions. No one made you come to the forums everyday and complain about how the ending are terrible, in your opinion that you formed, probably, mind you, except for you.

You're right.  No one made me.  I chose to come here and voice my opinion. So thanks for pointing out the obvious.

[Killdren88]

Br3ad wrote...

You can. You chose to blow a game series' conclusion way out of proportions. No one made you come to the forums everyday and complain about how the ending are terrible, in your opinion that you formed, probably, mind you, except for you.

Indeed. Endings aside there is plenty to gripe about with this game. My biggest beef was that they made Mass Effect 3 new comer friendly. You don't do that to the third game of a trilogy. The game suffers from it. Take away the first two games and you have a generic space marine shooter. Bioware should have encouraged people to play the first two games first. That way with more people aware of the story maybe a few things could have been different. Maybe we could have gotten the trial scene at the start. Maybe Harbinger would have played a bigger role. Perhaps things could have been different while at the same time Bioware makes a little extra money on the first two games. 

[Killdren88]

Killdren88 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

You can. You chose to blow a game series' conclusion way out of proportions. No one made you come to the forums everyday and complain about how the ending are terrible, in your opinion that you formed, probably, mind you, except for you.

Indeed. Endings aside there is plenty to gripe about with this game. My biggest beef was that they made Mass Effect 3 new comer friendly. You don't do that to the third game of a trilogy. The game suffers from it. Take away the first two games and you have a generic space marine shooter. Bioware should have encouraged people to play the first two games first. That way with more people aware of the story maybe a few things could have been different. Maybe we could have gotten the trial scene at the start. Maybe Harbinger would have played a bigger role. Perhaps things could have been different while at the same time Bioware makes a little extra money on the first two games. 

Err..apologies...meant to quote the person above your post....doing on a phone. Hence it is making it a tad bothersome.

[Br3admax]

iakus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

You can. You chose to blow a game series' conclusion way out of proportions. No one made you come to the forums everyday and complain about how the ending are terrible, in your opinion that you formed, probably, mind you, except for you.

You're right.  No one made me.  I chose to come here and voice my opinion. So thanks for pointing out the obvious.

When you make statements like, "I wish I could only complain about this." when no one makes you complain about anything, you're already bringing the obvious into it. 

[Iakus]

Br3ad wrote...

When you make statements like, "I wish I could only complain about this." when no one makes you complain about anything, you're already bringing the obvious into it. 

Don't be deliberately obtuse.

You know what I meant was how I wished that Ashley's outfit, autodialogue, and bugs with the plot flags were teh worst things I could find.

[AlanC9]

Atmosphere, eh? If you say so. I don't really see how ME1 has more or better "atmosphere" than the other games, but I figure this is so highly subjective that there's no sensible conversation to have.

I'm doing a trilogy replay replay now, and I'm surprised at how boring most of the non-main-plot material is. Not to mention how little RP sense most of the UNC missions make.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 août 2013 - 08:51 .

[Reorte]

AlanC9 wrote...

Atmosphere, eh? If you say so. I don't really see how ME1 has more or better "atmosphere" than the other games, but I figure this is so highly subjective that there's no sensible conversation to have.

I'm doing a trilogy replay replay now, and I'm surprised at how boring most of the non-main-plot material is. Not to mention how little RP sense most of the UNC missions make.

To be fair they're more entertaining than truding across barren planets in the Mako.

[Clayless]

Linkenski wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

If there's one thing video game companies learned from all this, it's innovation and storytelling comes second because people only care about their fake romances and having their hand held to a bland happy ending, even in series where such an ending would be highly contrived.

The majority of ME3 ending haters are probably the ones saying "I wanted my romance ending" and so on. I think if Bioware actually reads through a lot of the constructive critisism they can find, they might have actually realised why their ending sucked, and that it had not just to do with lack of closure.

The ending is a mess for various reasons, because it raises many more questions than it answers and most of those questions are not reflectively formed, but natural "WTF was this about?" kind of questions. The ending is as ham-fisted as an ending can get, and people comparing it to The Matrix and Deux Ex hopefully realise that ME3's ending was try-hard but nowhere near the narrative quality the other said stories.

The ending is just objectively bad. You can still think it's good by using your opinion but it IS objectively bad in terms of narrative.

It's honestly completely and utterly bizarre that you think your opinion is, in any way whatsoever, objective.

It's not.

Seriously, your opinion isn't objective, you're completely deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

[FlamingBoy]

Baelrahn wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
Yes, I will call you out on it.
If you can guarentee that I would be behave in a way that is hypocritical of the way I am behaving now, simply because of an assumption that somehow I really wanted a "grey ending". Such implication is about the fanbase picking a fight only because they want one. I will fight this attempt to generalize myself or any other person with out significant evidence (which is impossible) to the contrary.

The developers put the work out there they assume all responsbility, and they reap all the benefits of their work. There is a catch they also recieve the full anguish of their failures. Thats the difference between criticising fans and developers.

Are you explaining the impossibility of accusing you of being hypocritical, by simply proclaiming the developers' work being an utter "failure" just like that?


edit: Also, let's just agree to disagree here, because I realized we're hijacking this thread for a classic quote-pyramid-dialogue-argument.

Of course you can accuse me being a hypocritical but not with the hypothetical you stated in your first post, thats what I had the problem with.

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Atmosphere, eh? If you say so. I don't really see how ME1 has more or better "atmosphere" than the other games, but I figure this is so highly subjective that there's no sensible conversation to have.

The music and slightly less-linear level designs help. 

[SlottsMachine]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

A good ending wouldn't of changed the fact that the game was kind of boring as a whole.

More boring than ME1? 

Speaking of subjective terms. LOL. 

Modifié par General Slotts, 27 août 2013 - 01:09 .

[SlottsMachine]

nrm

Modifié par General Slotts, 27 août 2013 - 01:09 .

[Benchpress610]

Wolfva2 wrote...
crap, crap, crap
..............................................................................................
.......... Well, they'll lose more customers, and maybe Ubi soft or Bethesda will steal all their customers. .............................
boo hoo, boo hoo

Well you know what buddy?...they have already lost a lot of customers. Over the past six months I have enjoyed the hell out of the Far Cry series (the ending of the second one notwithstanding) and I have replayed Deus Ex HR five times.

Mass Effect used to be the game I always came back to ,,,but not anymore.

[Iakus]

General Slotts wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

A good ending wouldn't of changed the fact that the game was kind of boring as a whole.

More boring than ME1? 

Speaking of subjective terms. LOL. 

Indeed 

[MegaSovereign]

Subjectivity is a two-way street....just about every post in this thread (including the one(s) I made) are subjective.

[Steelcan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Subjectivity is a two-way street....just about every post in this thread (including the one(s) I made) are subjective.

2 +2 = 4

[Jadebaby]

Robosexual wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

If there's one thing video game companies learned from all this, it's innovation and storytelling comes second because people only care about their fake romances and having their hand held to a bland happy ending, even in series where such an ending would be highly contrived.

It's honestly completely and utterly bizarre that you think your opinion is, in any way whatsoever, objective.

It's not.

Seriously, your opinion isn't objective, you're completely deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

the same goes to you in your opinion about what game companies have or have not learnt. Going straight for the "I didn't get my happy ending" excuse instead of actually addressing the fundamental flaws in the endings narrative juxtaposed with that if the rest of the game.

pull your head out of your ass. You disgust me.

[Jadebaby]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Baelrahn wrote...

All this discussion about "sense" and poor writing is increasingly ridiculous.

It's just I can't help but think, if the Crucible just were a button to push to instantly remove the Reapers from the galaxy with no strings attached, and Shepard watched the sunset with his crew and LI, noone would have had a problem with it. Or discuss the writing's quality --or more importantly, of the trilogy as a whole-- nearly as ruthlessly as it is done still until now. I'd even guarantee you, the harshest criticism would be people saying they wished for a more controversial, "gray" ending.

you cannot guarantee what you don't know

that ending would be worse in my opinion.