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[Goth Skunk]

Who's to say that what happened to the 360 couldn't also potentially happen to the PC and PS3 versions?



If it were me, I would pull all platform releases after the 360 glitch, fix the 360 glitch, and apply the new 'preventative maintenance' across all platforms to minimize the chance that my team would have to go back to the drawing board a second time.

[The Angry One]

DreGregoire wrote...

Wow, I didn't know you were in the bioware offices and microsoft's watching them so you could obtain your alleged information.  Amazing.  Seven signs of evil? lmao. Substantial proof? I see... well I have yet to see this alleged proof so I'll just keep believing in the good of all.

Your failure to accept simple logic astounds me.
The facts are, BioWare said RtO needs further testing across all platforms, yet people have played it and reported nothing wrong with it.
The only bug is in the title update which a) is specific to the 360 and is entirely seperate from the DLC itself.

Therefore BioWare are either a) lying or genuinely think that a bug specific to one platform that has nothing to do with their DLC requires that the DLC be delayed and tested across all platforms, at which I'd award them the Congressional Medal of WTF.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:17 .

[The Angry One]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Who's to say that what happened to the 360 couldn't also potentially happen to the PC and PS3 versions?

Because the title update is an Xbox 360 thing, it always has been, always will be. Other platforms do not use title updates.

[Abriael_CG]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Who's to say that what happened to the 360 couldn't also potentially happen to the PC and PS3 versions?

The information we have tells us that what happened to the 360 was a consequence of a conflict with the title update. The PC and PS3 have no such title update.
People judge with the information they are given. The only way to avoid that is to give more actual information that can replace the speculation.

PS: the angry one, calm down please. We've been asked to drop the personal bickering, so let's? 

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:19 .

[MprezdNZ]

Abriael_CG wrote...

MprezdNZ wrote...
I don't think it is bribery. The more likely scenario is they have a simultaneous release agreement. This would make sense given the importance of MS to EA, and that when the dlc was supposed to come out they weren't waiting for the PS3 version to be ready as well. 

EA is actually one of the few companies (alongside with activision) out there that doesn't really need Microsoft's pocket change to carry on. Of course every company likes more money, but the problem here is different. We have been given promises that consoles would have never influenced the PC releases, and it's getting more and more obvious that those promises might not be valid anymore.
I think that's what makes most PC gamers a tad jaded about the whole matter.

Edit: oops, you wrote exactly the same thing above, lol

Yeah, well they don't need it, but if they get x for putting it on 360 and xx for making sure that the pc doesn't get stuff before the 360 then EA will always choose xx. if DAO had come out in May (or whatever month it was) when it was supposed to, you can bet a good number of console users would have bought it for pc instead. 

I was trying to see when Bioware actually made that promise. I still wonder if they made the promise not knowing that EA had been dealing with MS. Although maybe that is just because I want to believe the best in Bioware and EA becomes an easy target. 

[Abriael_CG]

MprezdNZ wrote...

I was trying to see when Bioware actually made that promise. I still wonder if they made the promise not knowing that EA had been dealing with MS. Although maybe that is just because I want to believe the best in Bioware and EA becomes an easy target. 

Actually I  like to give EA the benefit of the doubt lately. The times in which they were the source of all evil in the gaming market are long gone. Now that place is rightfully owned by Activision, and I doubt they will never give up the throne.
On the other hand EA has been putting on the shelves several high quality games lately, believing even in some projects that weren't as "sure fire" as the usual rock band. The Brutal Legend dispute is a good example of that. They also are giving a lot of support to a lot of very talented teams, Bioware is just one.
So yeah, while EA was an easy target until a few years ago, since when Ricciatello come back, I feel that they give a quite different vibe.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:24 .

[Goth Skunk]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The information we have tells us that what happened to the 360 was a consequence of a conflict with the title update. The PC and PS3 have no such title update.
People judge with the information they are given. The only way to avoid that is to give more actual information that can replace the speculation.

Another reason why I support not telling us a thing -- aside from 'we're working on it' -- until the problem is fixed.

Then again, that's been tried before to no success. Not in these forums, but in others. Even with no information, people will speculate. Tough sell.

[DreGregoire]

The Angry One wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Wow, I didn't know you were in the bioware offices and microsoft's watching them so you could obtain your alleged information.  Amazing.  Seven signs of evil? lmao. Substantial proof? I see... well I have yet to see this alleged proof so I'll just keep believing in the good of all.

Your failure to accept simple logic astounds me.
The facts are, BioWare said RtO needs further testing across all platforms, yet people have played it and reported nothing wrong with it.
The only bug is in the title update which a) is specific to the 360 and is entirely seperate from the DLC itself.

Therefore BioWare are either a) lying or genuinely think that a bug specific to one platform that has nothing to do with their DLC requires that the DLC be delayed and tested across all platforms, at which I'd award them the Congressional Medal of WTF.

In regards to the need for testing, I believe what was said was that their previous testing process failed them so they have implemented a new one.  It's obvious that you are bound and determined to look at it all in a way that is different than the way I look at the world.  That's your choice.  I hope it brings you happiness. I'm done chatting with you.  Take Care.  

[The Angry One]

Do you think people are so rock stupid as to not work out that RtO is being delayed for the sake of the 360 after the title update incident?

That said I would prefer straight honestly, e.g. "MS/EA told us not to release RtO for any platform until the 360 version is ready. Sorry. Our hands are tied." instead of "Um.. er.. we totally need to fix all the versions cause they all have a 360 specific bug.. wait er.. they're all like totally bugged! No really!".



I have an exceptionally low tolerance for stupid excuses.

[MprezdNZ]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Who's to say that what happened to the 360 couldn't also potentially happen to the PC and PS3 versions?

If it were me, I would pull all platform releases after the 360 glitch, fix the 360 glitch, and apply the new 'preventative maintenance' across all platforms to minimize the chance that my team would have to go back to the drawing board a second time.

Pretty much been said already. But the pc version has been "available" through unsavoury channels for 2 weeks. Nobody has claimed the dlc has broken their games at all. The thought process is that they were delayed once by MS because they wanted their fanbase to have their precious achievement points (I have lots of friends who will not buy dlc unless it has a minimum number of achievement points (like 5 or something) . Then MS released early. Bioware said yup we will release pc version. Then title upate borked x360 systems, Then they shut up shop and told us nothing. 

Because they don't tell us, we speculate. And the logical reason they won't tell us is because they can't release the pc version before the MS version. but they also can't admit that to pc users because they promised that would not happen. 

[The Angry One]

DreGregoire wrote...

In regards to the need for testing, I believe what was said was that their previous testing process failed them so they have implemented a new one.  It's obvious that you are bound and determined to look at it all in a way that is different than the way I look at the world.  That's your choice.  I hope it brings you happiness. I'm done chatting with you.  Take Care.  

Your deliberate ignorance of the situation is not my problem. There is no indication that any "testing" failed and no indication that there is any problem other than the title update issue which is again specific to the 360.

[booke63]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

You bought points, big deal. You got what you wanted, the points, they aren't meant for much of anything else. You haven't paid for RTO...haven't gotten it, therefore there is no way for you to have any problem and have the right to tell them how to do their job. Your customers pay you for your work...the work you have done, work they wanted you to do to their idea...if you don't do it, you don't deserve the money.

Excuse me, are you perchance upholding the theory that one would buy bioware points for the sake of it? Because i'd go out on a limb and define that theory a lil bit "Nutsy".

While that "400" in my client is indeed cute, it's utility is a tad limited for my taste. Again, playing devil's advocate might be fun, and I understand the lack of DLC makes your evenings boring, but let's be real here.

They told us "RtO will be released later today" -> we paid for RTO in the only way available. The Cause-Effect link is iron clad. There isn't much room for discussion or sophistries here.

Aren't the points generic?  If I had 400 points, couldn't I use it toward any available DLC?  Or are the points literally FOR one or another DLC package?  I actually don't know, just asking, but the "points system" seems a silly hoop to create if you're just buying a particular downloadable software package.

Thanks

[Goth Skunk]

The Angry One wrote...

I have an exceptionally low tolerance for stupid excuses.

Remind me again who you are, that you need to know more than what we've already been told?

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

You all need to calm down and be patient, there are a lot worse things going on in the world right now.



Thousands of people are suffering in Haiti and here you all are coming to a internet message board complaining about a silly video game. Seriously?



Grow up.

[Abriael_CG]

booke63 wrote...

Aren't the points generic?  If I had 400 points, couldn't I use it toward any available DLC?  Or are the points literally FOR one or another DLC package?  I actually don't know, just asking, but the "points system" seems a silly hoop to create if you're just buying a particular downloadable software package.

They're generic, but given that the catalogue for them isn't exactly large, people tend to buy them for a purpose, unlike micorosoft points, that let you access an humongous catalogue, so you can safely get them in advance and you'll find something you like.

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Thousands of people are
suffering in Haiti and here you all are coming to a internet message
board complaining about a silly video game. Seriously?

While the tragedy in haiti is indeed a tragedy, the world is made of tragedies. If people had to overlook all the "lesser" problems because there are tragedies, then those problems would never get solved or adressed.

A golden rule of forum communication is that extremely condescdending posts like "there are worse problems in the world, grow up" are nothing else than flamebait.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:34 .

[The Angry One]

Goth Skunk wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I have an exceptionally low tolerance for stupid excuses.

Remind me again who you are, that you need to know more than what we've already been told?

I'm a paying customer, genius. That means I get to ask questions, and have right to have them answered.

[The Angry One]

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...

You all need to calm down and be patient, there are a lot worse things going on in the world right now.

Thousands of people are suffering in Haiti and here you all are coming to a internet message board complaining about a silly video game. Seriously?

Grow up.

Oh be quiet. If we lived our lives constantly worrying about what the people in some third world hole are suffering with we'd never get anything done. If YOU can't get over it then join the UN relief efforts or something.

[Goth Skunk]

Abriael_CG wrote...

While the tragedy in haiti is indeed a tragedy, the world is made of tragedies. If people had to overlook all the "lesser" problems because there are tragedies, then those problems would never get solved or adressed.

A golden rule of forum communication is that extremely condescdending posts like "there are worse problems in the world, grow up" are nothing else than flamebait.

Good lord, we agree on something...

isn't this one of the signs of the apocolypse?

The Angry one wrote...

I'm a paying customer genius blah blah blah

So am I. I probably paid the same price for my game that you did. Maybe a little more, because I paid for the 360 versio. You seem quite adamant about the PC version, and unless things have changed recently, PC versions tend to be cheaper tan their console counterparts.

All of us -- if not, the majority -- are paying customers. We're all being told the same information, equally, right across the board. If that's not good enough for you, then get used to disappointment. You're not entitled to anything more than what anyone else has been told.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:40 .

[Abriael_CG]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm a paying customer, genius. That means I get to ask questions, and have right to have them answered.

Now now, let's not get overboard. Being a paying customer doesn't give anyone the "right" to have every single question answered. It gives the company you're paying the responsibility to keep you informed on the status of your "investment", but there's quite some difference between informative communication and having to answer each and every question.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[MprezdNZ]

booke63 wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

You bought points, big deal. You got what you wanted, the points, they aren't meant for much of anything else. You haven't paid for RTO...haven't gotten it, therefore there is no way for you to have any problem and have the right to tell them how to do their job. Your customers pay you for your work...the work you have done, work they wanted you to do to their idea...if you don't do it, you don't deserve the money.

Excuse me, are you perchance upholding the theory that one would buy bioware points for the sake of it? Because i'd go out on a limb and define that theory a lil bit "Nutsy".

While that "400" in my client is indeed cute, it's utility is a tad limited for my taste. Again, playing devil's advocate might be fun, and I understand the lack of DLC makes your evenings boring, but let's be real here.

They told us "RtO will be released later today" -> we paid for RTO in the only way available. The Cause-Effect link is iron clad. There isn't much room for discussion or sophistries here.

Aren't the points generic?  If I had 400 points, couldn't I use it toward any available DLC?  Or are the points literally FOR one or another DLC package?  I actually don't know, just asking, but the "points system" seems a silly hoop to create if you're just buying a particular downloadable software package.

Thanks

As Abriael stated, they are generic, but for PC users they are Bioware points. So unless we are keen on ME2, or SW:TOR is coming out soon, then we have little use for the points. 360 users have a lot of option for live points. 

[The Angry One]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm a paying customer, genius. That means I get to ask questions, and have right to have them answered.

Now now, let's not get overboard. Being a paying customer doesn't give anyone the "right" to have every single question answered. It gives the company you're paying the moral obligation to keep you informed on the status of your "investment", but there's quite some difference between informative communication and having to answer each and every question.

I never said each and every question. I meant that they have an obligation to keep us informed, and to keep us informed with the facts, not sugar-coated made up excuses.
If RtO isn't in our hands right now because Micro$oft's contracts say so, then tell us. Don't make up blatant lies about "further testing" because we know it's not true.

[cynicalsaint1]

The Angry One wrote...
Your failure to accept simple logic astounds me.
The facts are, BioWare said RtO needs further testing across all platforms, yet people have played it and reported nothing wrong with it.
The only bug is in the title update which a) is specific to the 360 and is entirely seperate from the DLC itself.

Therefore BioWare are either a) lying or genuinely think that a bug specific to one platform that has nothing to do with their DLC requires that the DLC be delayed and tested across all platforms, at which I'd award them the Congressional Medal of WTF.

There's one flaw in this reasoning. The phrase "The only bug is in the title update" is missing the word KNOWN. That "people" have played it and reported no issues means exactly nothing to Bioware's QA staff. Let me let you in on a fact: You don't test a product simply by using it normally. Bugs aren't like that. The most common way for a bug to occur is for the software system to end up getting itself in a state that the programmers didn't anticipate it getting itself into, and the code ends up not handling that state as it should. Just because some people don't run across a given bug through normal play, doesn't mean its not there.

Now they missed a rather big issue in the 360 title update, this caused them to take a step back, and say "Crap! Our current QA process totally missed that, maybe we should make some revisions to it!" the obvious next step is to put the content they were attempting to release through the new process just to be sure that there wasn't anything else overlooked, not only possibly bringing to light bugs they may have missed, but giving them a chance to put their new procedures into use and see how they work out.

RtO will be released when they're ready to release it, and while they're sure to have some sort of estimate of when, seeing as they've messed up twice now, they're going to be damn sure not to give any to the public till their certain it will be correct. And some how despite the delays the sun will in fact rise tomorrow, and your life will go on.

[MprezdNZ]

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...

You all need to calm down and be patient, there are a lot worse things going on in the world right now.

Thousands of people are suffering in Haiti and here you all are coming to a internet message board complaining about a silly video game. Seriously?

Grow up.

As I understood the situation, it is all their own fault anyway. This is something that is out of our hands......

The only conclusion that I can then come to is our plight is far worse. 

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

The Angry One wrote...



Oh be quiet. 

I really...really wish you would take your own advice.  I'm tired of reading threads for more information about the fix and you are always there stinking up threads with your witless prattle.  Don't you have anything better to do?

The mods really need to start revoking posting privileges for annoying trolls that offer nothing to threads except their excessive whining and nerd-raging.

Back on topic.  Will the RtO/patch problem hinder future dlc's and expansions?

[_LordKain_]

All this bickering for 1 - 2 hours of gameplay. What are you going to do once you finish RtO eh?



Most likely come back to the boards to complains some more on how short the DLc was.



Some people are never happy unless they're complaining about something.