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[addiction21]

The Angry One wrote...


This is entirely irrelevant. What they choose to do with the DLC while it's waiting for another release date has nothing do with the actul REASON for the delay, which in this case all evidence points to an unrelated, 360 specific update and nothing else.

Flimsy circumstantial and speculative evidence, but continue on.

[n0y0ki]

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...

I would rather be patient and wait for a stable release than getting another accident that locked all of my specializations.  
I was one of the few that paid for and downloaded the DLC the morning it was up for a couple of hours...hopefully I won't have to delete it and re-download it or have to pay for it again.  Victor was nice enough to address this issue so hopefully we will get a definitive answer soon.

i also got it the morning it came out, and yes, had my specs locked.
but after hearing about clearing the cache and recovering my gamer tag as a possible fix,
i tried it.
worked fine, ive been playing it ever since without issue.
the only thing "broken" still is the same old things, dual wield dex issue etc.
the dlc is perfectly playable with the title update gone.

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

The Angry One wrote...

bconk55 wrote...

Are they holding the release of the PC version due to some contractual agreement (which is not the same as the back alley deal you seem to think it is)? Probably. Contracts don't just evaporate because the customer wants the product early. It's the entire reason the contract exists in the first place. But do you really think they are dumb enough to sit on the product for a week after such a large screw up and do no testing on it? You must truly think highly of yourself, and see the rest of the world as idiots, if you believe that to be the case.

This is entirely irrelevant. What they choose to do with the DLC while it's waiting for another release date has nothing do with the actul REASON for the delay, which in this case all evidence points to an unrelated, 360 specific update and nothing else.

Yes and you work at Bioware and know exactly what's going on behind it's doors.  You know anything and everything and those  worthless peons that are foolish enough to disagree with you should be flogged.  The DLC is five bucks...I've never seen someone get so worked up over five dollar content. 

[bconk55]

The Angry One wrote...

bconk55 wrote...

Are they holding the release of the PC version due to some contractual agreement (which is not the same as the back alley deal you seem to think it is)? Probably. Contracts don't just evaporate because the customer wants the product early. It's the entire reason the contract exists in the first place. But do you really think they are dumb enough to sit on the product for a week after such a large screw up and do no testing on it? You must truly think highly of yourself, and see the rest of the world as idiots, if you believe that to be the case.

This is entirely irrelevant. What they choose to do with the DLC while it's waiting for another release date has nothing do with the actul REASON for the delay, which in this case all evidence points to an unrelated, 360 specific update and nothing else.

As Abriael pointed out (and yes, I have found something that Abriael and I agree on), more likely than not they are contractually bound not to reveal the details of the agreement. They can either sit in silence (in which case you'd be here complaining about that), or they can give you truthful, albeit incomplete, information about what they are currently working on. They chose the latter.

Modifié par bconk55, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .

[The Angry One]

Feraele wrote...

Let me state VERY CLEARLY...I am a PC USER and I haven't even seen the opening scene of RTO yet. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't believe in ripping merchants, and others off..even though it seems to be a mainstream trend these days. I probably belong in a museum, but I have my principles,...despite what "everyone else" is doing.

Whoever said it's what everyone is doing? I'm a PC user too and I don't pirate anything.
Some people however have, some always do. There's some irony in pirates and layabouts being able to play RtO free of any major issues while us legitimate customers who want to fairly give BioWare our money get nothing but vapor and excuses.

[bconk55]

Feraele wrote...

Let me state VERY CLEARLY...I am a PC USER and I haven't even seen the opening scene of RTO yet. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't believe in ripping merchants, and others off..even though it seems to be a mainstream trend these days. I probably belong in a museum, but I have my principles,...despite what "everyone else" is doing.

It's nice to hear. If I read "Bioware, how are you going to reward those who haven't resorted to piracy," one more time I'm going to lose all faith in humanity (or, at least, the small chunk of it that this board is actually capable of representing).

[The Angry One]

bconk55 wrote...

As Abriael pointed out, more likely than not they are contractually bound not to reveal the details of the agreement. They can either sit in silence (in which case you'd be here complaining about that), or they can give you truthful, albeit incomplete, information about what they are currently working on. They chose the latter.

It's been delayed for weeks now and I haven't said a word. I haven't even hung around here much anymore.
When they started making extremely flimsy excuses, only then did I speak out. So yes, silence would in fact have been better.

[DragonRageGT]

Abriael_CG wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Neither what you think of leaked software users, specially what you want them to suffer... it is not gonna happen! UNLESS they're making money out of it!

Actually I'm sure that the terms of use state that Bioware has the right to revoke the right to use of the online components of Dragon Age to any user, which would cripple several parts of the game for them.
So yes, I think that a ban of the accounts using pirated RtO would definitely be in order.

And I actually assure you that it would make no difference because there are people playing a true pirated copy of the game with all DLC's without any type of verification and obviously, they could care less for an online account! Putting everyone in the same sack would just hurt the company!

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

Feraele wrote...

MprezdNZ wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Do you honestly think they are legally bound to not state simple facts?

It's very, very possible.

Let's assume for a moment that this is correct. I would then prefer silence over excuses that hold about as much water as a cheese grater.

And most other forum users want to hear something. So they can't win. Maybe instead of forums they should just email everyone registered. The it is up to you do turn on/off annoucements

I still think they need to stop making announcements that a new release is coming out..til maybe hmm..3 days before it happens?   Then people won't have time to dream up plots, conspiracies..and things in outer space to needle them with.

That or make announcements in a stickied and locked thread.

....or just mute the trolls.

[DeadJediJamie]

addiction21 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


This is entirely irrelevant. What they choose to do with the DLC while it's waiting for another release date has nothing do with the actul REASON for the delay, which in this case all evidence points to an unrelated, 360 specific update and nothing else.

Flimsy circumstantial and speculative evidence, but continue on.

From what I gather, most people are able to play the xbox  version fine without the title update, so yes most [sarcasm] definitely [/sarcasm] speculation there. As for the PS3 version that goes without comment as nobody aside from testers have played it, the PC version on the other hand has been leaked and is most definitely playable, albeit illegal. 

Hell, one would think that with pirated versions there would be something fundamentally wrong with it as can be common with leaked copies, but no, nothing I have read on third party forums suggests that this is the case.

Modifié par DeadJediJamie, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:57 .

[bconk55]

The Angry One wrote...

bconk55 wrote...

As Abriael pointed out, more likely than not they are contractually bound not to reveal the details of the agreement. They can either sit in silence (in which case you'd be here complaining about that), or they can give you truthful, albeit incomplete, information about what they are currently working on. They chose the latter.

It's been delayed for weeks now and I haven't said a word. I haven't even hung around here much anymore.
When they started making extremely flimsy excuses, only then did I speak out. So yes, silence would in fact have been better.

Unfortunately, that is specifically you, and you seem to be in the minority. Others have been asking for any and all information that can be given (others have been asking for more than that, but obviously that's futile). Regardless of how you feel over the content not being released, you should be able to step back and realize that, more likely than not, they are not lying to you about further testing. Is it happening because they have time to kill anyway? Yeah, probably. But to claim that everything you have heard is a big conspiracy to cover up some shady deal with Microsoft...well...yeah.

You seem like a smart enough person, just take a step back from it for a minute.

[Abriael_CG]

RageGT wrote...
And I actually assure you that it would make no difference because there are people playing a true pirated copy of the game with all DLC's without any type of verification and obviously, they could care less for an online account! Putting everyone in the same sack would just hurt the company!

This doesn't mean that people that use a pirated copy of RtO with an original copy of the game (and I'm pretty sure there are many of them) should go unpunished.

[The Angry One]

Conspiracy? Hardly. A set of platitudes to cover up a simultanious release deal that does nothing but harm the playerbase when things go wrong? Most definitely.

Conspiracy requires forethought to achieve a goal, there is no forethought here, or goal. Just a hasty attempt to cover up an increasingly bloated mess caused by contractual obligations that neither EA or BioWare should feel obligated to be a part of anymore.

[MerinTB]

addiction21 wrote...

BW should start marketing replacement F5 buttons. They would make a killing.

You want funny?

You posting that made me look down while thinking "what does the F5 key do?" and right there on my F5 key is printed the word "Refresh."

:happy:

[KCFender]

Feraele wrote...

Let me state VERY CLEARLY...I am a PC USER and I haven't even seen the opening scene of RTO yet. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't believe in ripping merchants, and others off..even though it seems to be a mainstream trend these days. I probably belong in a museum, but I have my principles,...despite what "everyone else" is doing.

And this is the only time I am going to refer to that ..which is not mentionable.

Good. You shall be saved from the Great Purge that is about to happen. Because clearly banning people from purchasing DA:O products legitimately is at the top of BioWare's to-do list. And that'd stop people from pirating every other DLC they can find instead of... purchasing it... oh wait.
Yeah, nevermind. That'll never happen.

And I'm not saying I'm one of those pirates, either. I've never even pirated music, let alone software. But I think some people have pirated RtO who might not have, had things gone a little smoother. And these same people might legitimately buy DLC in the future, unless they're banned by a company that cares more about its collective spite than its collective profits. I hear stockholders love that.

[The Angry One]

Feraele wrote...

They stated in not so many words..if you have read the most recent announcement..that for some reason, this bug that affected 360 users, escaped their experienced QA testers, and EA's experienced QA testers..and it went all the way to MS before it was caught.......they also stated what they are doing about that,  ..they are widening their test perimeters so that this sort of thing is less likely to occur in the future.

In order to do that..I presume that means they have set up new methods which everyone involved has to test and get used to doing.   It doesn't sound far-fetched to me, or like an excuse, it sounds like they are increasing quality..and in the end, no matter how long THAT takes, it will benefit us the consumer, and the future dlc / expansion pacs.

And again, this was a bug found in the title update (newsflash: title updates are notorious for going wrong) and not the DLC. New QA or not RtO seems playable enough for a general release.
Tell me, what's to stop them from releasing RtO and running it through their supposed new QA tests anyway, patching anything they happen to find later?

[bconk55]

The Angry One wrote...

Conspiracy? Hardly. A set of platitudes to cover up a simultanious release deal that does nothing but harm the playerbase when things go wrong? Most definitely.
Conspiracy requires forethought to achieve a goal, there is no forethought here, or goal. Just a hasty attempt to cover up an increasingly bloated mess caused by contractual obligations that neither EA or BioWare should feel obligated to be a part of anymore.

Unfortunately, the law doesn't change with the whims of how one feels. In fact, most contractual agreements are made specifically because it is likely that one party's feelings will change in the future.

[addiction21]

DeadJediJamie wrote...

From what I gather, most people are able to play the xbox  version fine without the title update, so yes most [sarcasm] definitely [/sarcasm] speculation there. As for the PS3 version that goes without comment as nobody aside from testers have played it, the PC version on the other hand has been leaked and is most definitely playable, albeit illegal. 

Hell, one would think that with pirated versions there would be something fundamentally wrong with it as can be common with leaked copies, but no, nothing I have read on third party forums suggests that this is the case.

Well I do not frequent those particualr forums and as another stated several freinds with a wide spread of characters and such have had no problems. Cool but are they actualy putting it thru its paces so to say? Or just playing and going "its perfect yabba yabba doooo".
I know its also speculation but we have no idea at all if that leaked version was the one ready to go or a prior version that is lacking something else.  When it is officaly released I think I will get my answer.

MerinTB wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

BW should start marketing replacement F5 buttons. They would make a killing.

You want funny?

You posting that made me look down while thinking "what does the F5 key do?" and right there on my F5 key is printed the word "Refresh."

You have that blind spot too? I swear when I am looking for something it best not be right in front of me or I will never see it. Hence why I hate the Wheres Waldo books...

Modifié par addiction21, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:12 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

addiction21 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


This is entirely irrelevant. What they choose to do with the DLC while it's waiting for another release date has nothing do with the actul REASON for the delay, which in this case all evidence points to an unrelated, 360 specific update and nothing else.

Flimsy circumstantial and speculative evidence, but continue on.

See this is what I don't get. We get report after report after report that those that were lucky enough to download the 360 version without using the title update had no issues. We've heard plenty of reports that those who have played the leaked pc version have had no issues. I mean really what more proof is really needed? Or do certain people just ignore post that have first hand experience with RTO for the sake of saying "you're wrong! you don't deserve any info suffer infidel!" 

Seriously its really getting old. 

[bconk55]

The Angry One wrote...

Feraele wrote...

They stated in not so many words..if you have read the most recent announcement..that for some reason, this bug that affected 360 users, escaped their experienced QA testers, and EA's experienced QA testers..and it went all the way to MS before it was caught.......they also stated what they are doing about that,  ..they are widening their test perimeters so that this sort of thing is less likely to occur in the future.

In order to do that..I presume that means they have set up new methods which everyone involved has to test and get used to doing.   It doesn't sound far-fetched to me, or like an excuse, it sounds like they are increasing quality..and in the end, no matter how long THAT takes, it will benefit us the consumer, and the future dlc / expansion pacs.

And again, this was a bug found in the title update (newsflash: title updates are notorious for going wrong) and not the DLC. New QA or not RtO seems playable enough for a general release.
Tell me, what's to stop them from releasing RtO and running it through their supposed new QA tests anyway, patching anything they happen to find later?

For one, placating a few customers that cannot wait for the release is probably not worth the risk of finding more large issues, which would only stack up with the ones they are currently working to fix.

And, you know, that whole contract thing.

Modifié par bconk55, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:14 .