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[MerinTB]

Abriael_CG wrote...

RageGT wrote...
And I actually assure you that it would make no difference because there are people playing a true pirated copy of the game with all DLC's without any type of verification and obviously, they could care less for an online account! Putting everyone in the same sack would just hurt the company!

This doesn't mean that people that use a pirated copy of RtO with an original copy of the game (and I'm pretty sure there are many of them) should go unpunished.

Or that Bioware should spend resources on maintaining this social site and allow people playing pirated copies of their game access to the site if they can help it.

No, it won't stop people from pirating the game - but why should Bioware provice even the most minimum of support (a forum they pay for and maintain) for those pirates?

[Alphakiller]

when RtO was first released, everybody KNEW there would be no major problems. and look what happened.
now they're priming to release it yet again, but this time they're being thorough in their testing (even though it seems obvious that there are no problems... just like last time), and you're yelling at them like some kind of spoiled child? and before you cry "ad hominem", i'm merely pointing out that your argument simply sounds to me like "Other people have it, so I deserve it now!"

having experienced the process of developing a game myself (not nearly as ambitious as dragon age, but still), I have a working knowledge of exactly how thorough one must be with the testing. Optimized code, unfortunately, is built with as little redundancy as possible to increase the processing speed, and therefore little blurbs can show up in the oddest of places after you make even the smallest of changes.  I remember when my little 2d game caused more lag than dragon age because I added a few special effects... let me tell you, the kind of redundancy that makes games reliable does nothing for their running speed.

just have a little patience; bioware is creating that missing redundancy. not in the code, but in the testing process. This is simply because they'd rather be yelled at by impatient gamers now for being too slow than be yelled at later by vindictive gamers who cry "WHY didn't you test it thoroughly enough to catch THAT!?"

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Feraele wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Feraele wrote...

They stated in not so many words..if you have read the most recent announcement..that for some reason, this bug that affected 360 users, escaped their experienced QA testers, and EA's experienced QA testers..and it went all the way to MS before it was caught.......they also stated what they are doing about that,  ..they are widening their test perimeters so that this sort of thing is less likely to occur in the future.

In order to do that..I presume that means they have set up new methods which everyone involved has to test and get used to doing.   It doesn't sound far-fetched to me, or like an excuse, it sounds like they are increasing quality..and in the end, no matter how long THAT takes, it will benefit us the consumer, and the future dlc / expansion pacs.

And again, this was a bug found in the title update (newsflash: title updates are notorious for going wrong) and not the DLC. New QA or not RtO seems playable enough for a general release.
Tell me, what's to stop them from releasing RtO and running it through their supposed new QA tests anyway, patching anything they happen to find later?

Thats old news to me Angry.................

I don't know what their procedures are other than what they have given us thus far, therefore I can't forecast the future for you.......^^

Oh one other thing...yes it was the update, but it also affected achievements, titles, specializations..which all platforms get not just the 360.   If you will read the latest announcements...thats what was said.

Not sure if you were aware Fera, but the title update was to fix achievements not unlocking for the 360 version that really didn't have to do with the DLC.

[DreGregoire]

Feraele wrote...

..but in my books ...theft is theft, plain and simple ..no excuse for it...no justification.

Agreed!

[The Angry One]

Alphakiller wrote...

when RtO was first released, everybody KNEW there would be no major problems. and look what happened.
now they're priming to release it yet again, but this time they're being thorough in their testing (even though it seems obvious that there are no problems... just like last time), and you're yelling at them like some kind of spoiled child? and before you cry "ad hominem", i'm merely pointing out that your argument simply sounds to me like "Other people have it, so I deserve it now!"

YET AGAIN I have to point out that THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH RTO.
It was the title update which is unrelated and seperate to the point that 360 users who deleted their cache to get rid of the update but kept RtO before it got pulled are playing it without any problems.
Why does this simple yet important fact escape so many?

[DreGregoire]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Not sure if you were aware Fera, but the title update was to fix achievements not unlocking for the 360 version that really didn't have to do with the DLC.

If I remember correctly it was more than just that. One poster said that all of their unlocked achievements were not showing as unlocked.  That would totally suck.

[DiGNiiTy]

Thank you for the update it is nice to know what you guys are doing.

[MerinTB]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


This is entirely irrelevant. What they choose to do with the DLC while it's waiting for another release date has nothing do with the actul REASON for the delay, which in this case all evidence points to an unrelated, 360 specific update and nothing else.

Flimsy circumstantial and speculative evidence, but continue on.

See this is what I don't get. We get report after report after report that those that were lucky enough to download the 360 version without using the title update had no issues. We've heard plenty of reports that those who have played the leaked pc version have had no issues. I mean really what more proof is really needed? Or do certain people just ignore post that have first hand experience with RTO for the sake of saying "you're wrong! you don't deserve any info suffer infidel!" 

Seriously its really getting old. 

This is like saying people who saw the leaked, unfinished copy of the Wolverine movie knew how bad the CGI would be.

Without the full, intended release to study, the anecdotal evidence of a few dozen pirated copies being played proves nothing except that those people playing the pirated copies claim nothing was wrong when they played.

Here, try and understand this - just because many, many people claim to see ghosts doesn't mean they exist.  Just because there are many people who drive while texting and never get into accidents doesn't make that safe.

Being able to look at a small, unrepresentative sample that isn't carefully created and controlled does not provide any real, actionable scientific evidence.  At best it gives you a place to start when forming your initial hypothesis which then needs a method created to test it.

In short - the relatively small number of people playing a possibly unfinished, unofficial release of the game do not in any reasonable way represent whether the game content, as intended to be release, works fine.

[The Angry One]

MerinTB wrote...

This is like saying people who saw the leaked, unfinished copy of the Wolverine movie knew how bad the CGI would be.

Without the full, intended release to study, the anecdotal evidence of a few dozen pirated copies being played proves nothing except that those people playing the pirated copies claim nothing was wrong when they played.

False analogy. I can't speak for the leaked PC version, but the 360 version was complete and officially released by BioWare.

[_LordKain_]

The Angry One wrote...

Alphakiller wrote...

when RtO was first released, everybody KNEW there would be no major problems. and look what happened.
now they're priming to release it yet again, but this time they're being thorough in their testing (even though it seems obvious that there are no problems... just like last time), and you're yelling at them like some kind of spoiled child? and before you cry "ad hominem", i'm merely pointing out that your argument simply sounds to me like "Other people have it, so I deserve it now!"

YET AGAIN I have to point out that THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH RTO.
It was the title update which is unrelated and seperate to the point that 360 users who deleted their cache to get rid of the update but kept RtO before it got pulled are playing it without any problems.
Why does this simple yet important fact escape so many?

Yup, I think the "spoiled child" he's referring to is you.  You can **** and moan all you want, they're not going to release the DLC any sooner.

[Mechnic]

Feraele wrote...

Let me state VERY CLEARLY...I am a PC USER and I haven't even seen the opening scene of RTO yet. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't believe in ripping merchants, and others off..even though it seems to be a mainstream trend these days. I probably belong in a museum, but I have my principles,...despite what "everyone else" is doing.

And this is the only time I am going to refer to that ..which is not mentionable.

Ah but Feraele is it okay for the "merchants" to rip you off? We purchased a product on the promise that the "merchant" would provide downloadable content to "increase/extend"  the playabilty and enjoyment of said product. Have we gotten that yet? Do we have any real explanations for why?  Why is it wrong for the customer "you and I and the rest of us" to want to be informed on why the "merchant" is NOT supporting its' promises? BW/EA screwed up BIG-TIME and they need to atone for their bad judgements. They got your and my money and millions of others. So what is wrong with this picture? Can you see it? How about all the people that bought BW/EA points because BW/EA said it (the DLC) would be out "this holiday season" or after that "jan 5th". They got the money but screwed the same people who feed them. 
 Now with all that ...you cannot see or realize why people would be pissed or feel like they got screwed?
I have pre-ordered ME2 but now I am having 2nd thoughts, does that make me an turncoat? No it's that I don't want to get screwed again by an unsupportive backstabbing "merchandiser".  They lied to you and me and every-one else in this forum, they made millions of dollars off of shallow promises. They out-and-out LIED.

[Alphakiller]

The Angry One wrote...

Alphakiller wrote...

when RtO was first released, everybody KNEW there would be no major problems. and look what happened.
now they're priming to release it yet again, but this time they're being thorough in their testing (even though it seems obvious that there are no problems... just like last time), and you're yelling at them like some kind of spoiled child? and before you cry "ad hominem", i'm merely pointing out that your argument simply sounds to me like "Other people have it, so I deserve it now!"

YET AGAIN I have to point out that THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH RTO.
It was the title update which is unrelated and seperate to the point that 360 users who deleted their cache to get rid of the update but kept RtO before it got pulled are playing it without any problems.
Why does this simple yet important fact escape so many?

but I must also point out that before, when bioware's testing methods were... lacking... they let this glitch go through on something far more minor. even if there is only, say, a 1% chance that there is any major glitch in RtO that they haven't found, there are still two possibilities:

1) 1% chance of getting people even angrier at them breaking some function of the game, and losing customers. or even, if the glitch is major enough, experiencing a lawsuit.

2) 99% chance of having the perfectly rational excuse of thoroughly testing the material, but finding nothing wrong with it.

why is this better, since there's so little possiblity of finding something wrong with it? the worst that can happen with option two is that a few people grumble about being dissatisfied and MAYBE refuse to purchase the DLC in question.

see the difference here?

[KCFender]

Feraele wrote...
Thats old news to me Angry.................

I don't know what their procedures are other than what they have given us thus far, therefore I can't forecast the future for you.......^^

Oh one other thing...yes it was the update, but it also affected achievements, titles, specializations..which all platforms get not just the 360.   If you will read the latest announcements...thats what was said.

To be fair, that update seems entirely 360 specific. The PC version of DA:O has gotten numerous updates that the 360 hasn't yet (such as the Dex fix, and I applaud BioWare for giving the PC that ASAP). Likewise that patch with the specialization bug was 360 specific. The 360's achievements are linked to the XBL network - handled by MS. They may look the same, but achievements for a BioWare specific game aren't going to be handled the same as achievements handled on XBox Live. The fact that the patch was to fix the 360's achievements pretty much defines the patch as being hardware specific. There is no known patch coming out to fix the PC's achievements, and no reason to think that such a patch would have any similar effect as it had on the 360 if the problem is, indeed, with the achievements.

If the glitch was with the DLC, or with a 360 title update that touched on something more substantial to the game than achievements, than I'd be more willing to think the glitch isn't 360-specific.
My guess is they're waiting on the PC's RtO for a simultaneous release with the 360. That just seems like the logical explanation to me at this point. And it's not meant to be a criticism either.

[KCFender]

Feraele wrote...
Thats old news to me Angry.................

I don't know what their procedures are other than what they have given us thus far, therefore I can't forecast the future for you.......^^

Oh one other thing...yes it was the update, but it also affected achievements, titles, specializations..which all platforms get not just the 360.   If you will read the latest announcements...thats what was said.

To be fair, that update seems entirely 360 specific. The PC version of DA:O has gotten numerous updates that the 360 hasn't yet (such as the Dex fix, and I applaud BioWare for giving the PC that ASAP). Likewise that patch with the specialization bug was 360 specific. The 360's achievements are linked to the XBL network - handled by MS. They may look the same, but achievements for a BioWare specific game aren't going to be handled the same as achievements handled on XBox Live. The fact that the patch was to fix the 360's achievements pretty much defines the patch as being hardware specific. There is no known patch coming out to fix the PC's achievements, and no reason to think that such a patch would have any similar effect as it had on the 360 if the problem is, indeed, with the achievements.

If the glitch was with the DLC, or with a 360 title update that touched on something more substantial to the game than achievements, than I'd be more willing to think the glitch isn't 360-specific.
My guess is they're waiting on the PC's RtO for a simultaneous release with the 360. That just seems like the logical explanation to me at this point. And it's not meant to be a criticism either.

[akeso]

Alphakiller wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Alphakiller wrote...

when RtO was first released, everybody KNEW there would be no major problems. and look what happened.
now they're priming to release it yet again, but this time they're being thorough in their testing (even though it seems obvious that there are no problems... just like last time), and you're yelling at them like some kind of spoiled child? and before you cry "ad hominem", i'm merely pointing out that your argument simply sounds to me like "Other people have it, so I deserve it now!"

YET AGAIN I have to point out that THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH RTO.
It was the title update which is unrelated and seperate to the point that 360 users who deleted their cache to get rid of the update but kept RtO before it got pulled are playing it without any problems.
Why does this simple yet important fact escape so many?

but I must also point out that before, when bioware's testing methods were... lacking... they let this glitch go through on something far more minor. even if there is only, say, a 1% chance that there is any major glitch in RtO that they haven't found, there are still two possibilities:

1) 1% chance of getting people even angrier at them breaking some function of the game, and losing customers. or even, if the glitch is major enough, experiencing a lawsuit.

2) 99% chance of having the perfectly rational excuse of thoroughly testing the material, but finding nothing wrong with it.

why is this better, since there's so little possiblity of finding something wrong with it? the worst that can happen with option two is that a few people grumble about being dissatisfied and MAYBE refuse to purchase the DLC in question.

see the difference here?

Statistically speaking, there is no such thing as 100%.
Bugs get through no matter which option you take.

Modifié par akeso, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:30 .

[StainlessStyle]

think i might have just posted this in the wrong place, so excuse the repost....

i know you've probably been over this a million times, but would someone mind giving me a quick RTO (360) update? I downloaded it a while ago, but haven't had a chance to play it yet, is the version i got broken? should I delete?

[The Angry One]

Alphakiller wrote...

but I must also point out that before, when bioware's testing methods were... lacking... they let this glitch go through on something far more minor. even if there is only, say, a 1% chance that there is any major glitch in RtO that they haven't found, there are still two possibilities:

1) 1% chance of getting people even angrier at them breaking some function of the game, and losing customers. or even, if the glitch is major enough, experiencing a lawsuit.

2) 99% chance of having the perfectly rational excuse of thoroughly testing the material, but finding nothing wrong with it.

why is this better, since there's so little possiblity of finding something wrong with it? the worst that can happen with option two is that a few people grumble about being dissatisfied and MAYBE refuse to purchase the DLC in question.

see the difference here?

No software release is without some risk. Sometimes a bug just won't be caught by QA testers.
But in this case the title update having nothing to do with RtO just makes delaying RtO ridiculous. It's like delaying production on a new line of bus because your bicycle lost a wheel. Yes, both buses and bicycles have wheels but the chances that the buses need further tests because of the bicycle failed are.. slim at best.

And yes yes what if there's a bug and people complain? To which I counter, what if after this delay and this latest batch of QA testing, RtO is released and there's still a bug? Won't MORE people complain?
That's why you don't base everything on what if.

[Alphakiller]

Mechnic wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Let me state VERY CLEARLY...I am a PC USER and I haven't even seen the opening scene of RTO yet. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't believe in ripping merchants, and others off..even though it seems to be a mainstream trend these days. I probably belong in a museum, but I have my principles,...despite what "everyone else" is doing.

And this is the only time I am going to refer to that ..which is not mentionable.

Ah but Feraele is it okay for the "merchants" to rip you off? We purchased a product on the promise that the "merchant" would provide downloadable content to "increase/extend"  the playabilty and enjoyment of said product. Have we gotten that yet? Do we have any real explanations for why?  Why is it wrong for the customer "you and I and the rest of us" to want to be informed on why the "merchant" is NOT supporting its' promises? BW/EA screwed up BIG-TIME and they need to atone for their bad judgements. They got your and my money and millions of others. So what is wrong with this picture? Can you see it? How about all the people that bought BW/EA points because BW/EA said it (the DLC) would be out "this holiday season" or after that "jan 5th". They got the money but screwed the same people who feed them. 
 Now with all that ...you cannot see or realize why people would be pissed or feel like they got screwed?
I have pre-ordered ME2 but now I am having 2nd thoughts, does that make me an turncoat? No it's that I don't want to get screwed again by an unsupportive backstabbing "merchandiser".  They lied to you and me and every-one else in this forum, they made millions of dollars off of shallow promises. They out-and-out LIED.

delay = lie?

wow... here I thought english was my first language.

you see, you bought POINTS. you spend those POINTS on the dlc in question. just becuse the dlc isn't released yet doesn't mean that you lose your money... you'll still get the dlc if you already paid for it. 5 bucks paid in december and 5 bucks paid in feburary aren't going to get much difference.

in fact you're better off: technically, due to inflation, 5 bucks in feburary is worth less than 5 bucks in december of the previous year. you should be thanking bioware for saving your money if you buy it later, and not care at all if you bought the points in december.

they didn't cheat you out of you're money. you'll get your money's worth, and I, for one, would rather have quality content late than cheap crap on time.

[Goth Skunk]

Mechnic wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Let me state VERY CLEARLY...I am a PC USER and I haven't even seen the opening scene of RTO yet. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't believe in ripping merchants, and others off..even though it seems to be a mainstream trend these days. I probably belong in a museum, but I have my principles,...despite what "everyone else" is doing.

And this is the only time I am going to refer to that ..which is not mentionable.

Ah but Feraele is it okay for the "merchants" to rip you off? We purchased a product on the promise that the "merchant" would provide downloadable content to "increase/extend"  the playabilty and enjoyment of said product. Have we gotten that yet? Do we have any real explanations for why?  Why is it wrong for the customer "you and I and the rest of us" to want to be informed on why the "merchant" is NOT supporting its' promises? BW/EA screwed up BIG-TIME and they need to atone for their bad judgements. They got your and my money and millions of others. So what is wrong with this picture? Can you see it? How about all the people that bought BW/EA points because BW/EA said it (the DLC) would be out "this holiday season" or after that "jan 5th". They got the money but screwed the same people who feed them. 
 Now with all that ...you cannot see or realize why people would be pissed or feel like they got screwed?
I have pre-ordered ME2 but now I am having 2nd thoughts, does that make me an turncoat? No it's that I don't want to get screwed again by an unsupportive backstabbing "merchandiser".  They lied to you and me and every-one else in this forum, they made millions of dollars off of shallow promises. They out-and-out LIED.

Yes. Bioware didn't give me the DLC I wanted on the day it was supposed to come out, now they owe me for the inconvenience of having to wait while errors are fixed and a new test process is undertaken.

/sarcasm

Bioware owes you nothing. EA owes you nothing. Get down off your high horse. You make the rest of us look bad.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:33 .

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

_LordKain_ wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Alphakiller wrote...

when RtO was first released, everybody KNEW there would be no major problems. and look what happened.
now they're priming to release it yet again, but this time they're being thorough in their testing (even though it seems obvious that there are no problems... just like last time), and you're yelling at them like some kind of spoiled child? and before you cry "ad hominem", i'm merely pointing out that your argument simply sounds to me like "Other people have it, so I deserve it now!"

YET AGAIN I have to point out that THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH RTO.
It was the title update which is unrelated and seperate to the point that 360 users who deleted their cache to get rid of the update but kept RtO before it got pulled are playing it without any problems.
Why does this simple yet important fact escape so many?

Yup, I think the "spoiled child" he's referring to is you.  You can **** and moan all you want, they're not going to release the DLC any sooner.

Yes constant whining, bickering, and flaming other posters accomplishes absolutely nothing.  People actually think that Bioware is going to read their constant whine/****-spam and just roll out the DLC for them on a red carpet?  Bollocks.

Next time I order a five dollar hamburger and something goes wrong I'm going to whine, complain, and nerd rage just so I can feel as foolish as they are.