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[lotrdude]

Sorry if this has been asked. I am too tired to search this whole thread right now so I will ask anyway. When the fix deploys for x360 will I be able to finally use the talents I unlocked throughout this play-through? Ex. I, unfortunately I started playing the game again even though I got it on launch day but never really had time to play it, just did the "Nature of the Beast" and got the Arcane Warrior specialization. Or I was supposed to at least. When the fix hits will I be able to use that specialization or do I need to begin a whole new runthrough to get this specialization, as well as the many others I have unlocked?

[Abriael_CG]

aka.seim wrote...
I'm sorry but that generalization it's not true. I have the DLC but I have not played it because if you clean the cache and then you play the DLC the achievement does not pop up. This could seem to you a silly thing but it's not because the title update that mess up everything was exactly to fix the previous bug with the achievement of the others DLC.

Excuse me, but I think not many really care about an icon popping up, or not popping up, at a given time on your screen and increasing your (absolutely useless) gamer score by a negligible amount 

[MprezdNZ]

lotrdude wrote...

Sorry if this has been asked. I am too tired to search this whole thread right now so I will ask anyway. When the fix deploys for x360 will I be able to finally use the talents I unlocked throughout this play-through? Ex. I, unfortunately I started playing the game again even though I got it on launch day but never really had time to play it, just did the "Nature of the Beast" and got the Arcane Warrior specialization. Or I was supposed to at least. When the fix hits will I be able to use that specialization or do I need to begin a whole new runthrough to get this specialization, as well as the many others I have unlocked?

I'm guessing they will be working on making sure the fix will bring back any locked specialisations, but they haven't (to my knowledge) promised the fix will do that

[MprezdNZ]

Abriael_CG wrote...

aka.seim wrote...
I'm sorry but that generalization it's not true. I have the DLC but I have not played it because if you clean the cache and then you play the DLC the achievement does not pop up. This could seem to you a silly thing but it's not because the title update that mess up everything was exactly to fix the previous bug with the achievement of the others DLC.

Excuse me, but I think not many really care about an icon popping up, or not popping up, at a given time on your screen and increasing your (absolutely useless) gamer score by a negligible amount 

The feeling of a sense of achievement should never be called "absolutely useless"

tut tut :innocent:

Modifié par MprezdNZ, 23 janvier 2010 - 05:29 .

[Poisd2Strike]

Abriael_CG wrote...

aka.seim wrote...
I'm sorry but that generalization it's not true. I have the DLC but I have not played it because if you clean the cache and then you play the DLC the achievement does not pop up. This could seem to you a silly thing but it's not because the title update that mess up everything was exactly to fix the previous bug with the achievement of the others DLC.

Excuse me, but I think not many really care about an icon popping up, or not popping up, at a given time on your screen and increasing your (absolutely useless) gamer score by a negligible amount 

It is nice to see that (as usual), when YOU don’t have a valid counterargument you dismiss someone else’s argument, on its face, simplybecause  1) it conflicts with your YOUR position or 2) YOUR chosen gaming platform was not directly impacted.  Notice how I capitalized certain words since YOU (ME) and YOUR (MINE) are clearly all YOU care about.  Return to Ostagar and the Title update were UNEXPECTEDLY released on the Xbox Live Marketplace on 01/13/2010. The most logical conclusion is that someone at Microsoft “jumped the gun” and released the content ahead of Bioware’s intended release schedule.  It is also possible that EA, being Bioware’s parent company, contacted Microsoft and told them the content was ready for release; without first notifying Bioware ahead of time.

 

Bioware clearly “dropped the ball” with its communication regarding the issue with Return to Ostagar. 
However, Bioware has acknowledged this and are putting a system in place to make sure they communicate more effectively going forward.  I would also like to say that, although I am no fanboy, given Bioware’s overall excellent track record, and the fact that they are only human, they should be “cut more slack” than some other game developers who have a less stellar track record overall (Bethesda comes to mind).

 

For those who make the argument that you bought Bioware / MS Points but didn’t get what you paid for, you are clearly mistaken.  Unless you purchased but did not receive the points THEMSELVES, you got EXACTLY what you paid for.  Purchasing Bioware / MS Points with theINTENTION of purchasing Return to Ostagar with THOSE points is not the same as purchasing Return to Ostagar.  If you feel differently, then perhaps you should start a class action lawsuit claiming “consumer fraud” and see how fast you get laughed out of court by any reasonable Judge / Jury.  Some have indicated they wouldn’t accept a refund even if one was offered.  This shows how unreasonable some of you are.

 

Just because Bioware has not provided the ONLY piece of information YOU consider relevant (read: A FIRM
release date for Return to Ostagar, which a Mod pointed out), this does not mean they have not provided
the rest of us with information.  Am I happy about the delay?  No, not at all.  But I would rather Bioware take its time and get it right than rush out potentially buggy content just to appease the “angry mob” only to have Return to Ostagar get pulled and delayed yet again due to (gamebreaking) bugs that were not caught ahead of time but could have been had enough time been invested.  Anyone who gets seriously “bent out of shape” about what essentially amounts to an hour of new playable content being delayed needs to re-examine their priorities.  And for the record, the PC version is the most up-to-date patched version of DA: Origins.  The console users (360 and PS3) are STILL waiting for an updated patch.  If anything should be a priority for Bioware, it should be providing an updated patch to the 360 / PS3 users who actually have paid for the full game of DA: Origins and not making DLC availablet o those who have merely purchased point with the intent of buying the DLC, using those points, when it becomes available.

Modifié par Poisd2Strike, 23 janvier 2010 - 06:13 .

[lotrdude]

Alright, since the fix looks like it will be a long way off, how do I delete the most recent update to DA:O from my xbox. Or better yet! Why doesn't Bioware just make a hotfix to return the game to release format.

[Gemini1179]

Poisd2Strike wrote...

Just because Bioware has not provided the ONLY piece of information YOU consider relevant (read: A FIRM
release date for Return to Ostagar, which a Mod pointed out), this does not mean they have not provided
the rest of us with information.  Am I happy about the delay?  No, not at all.  But I would rather Bioware take its time and get it right than rush out potentially buggy content just to appease the “angry mob” only to have Return to Ostagar get pulled and delayed yet again due to (gamebreaking) bugs that were not caught ahead of time but could have been had enough time been invested.  Anyone who gets seriously “bent out of shape” about what essentially amounts to an hour of new playable content being delayed needs to re-examine their priorities.  And for the record, the PC version is the most up-to-date patched version of DA: Origins.  The console users (360 and PS3) are STILL waiting for an updated patch.  If anything should be a priority for Bioware, it should be providing an updated patch to the 360 / PS3 users who actually have paid for the full game of DA: Origins and not making DLC availablet o those who have merely purchased point with the intent of buying the DLC, using those points, when it becomes available.

QFT

[Wagner Pires]

Some estimates for the release of the patch and DLC Return to Ostagar?

[MerinTB]

Abriael_CG wrote...

MprezdNZ wrote...
I go away for 30 odd pages and all of a sudden Abriael makes perfect sense and he is being attacked by some idiot - and the community is in behind him.

Honestly Abriael, have you been giving out the ganja to the regulars or something? Did I miss it? 

There is a distinct difference between "making perfect sense" and "writing something that appeases your side of the discussion". I didn't suddenly start making sense just because I wrote something you may like. Contrary to many here that defend or attack for the sake of it, I simply have a balanced stance, and give leeway where it's due, and only where it's due.
Also, I know reading selectively is always a temptation, but it's not like the "community" is made by the four people that always defend bioware whatever happens. if you look around, you'll notice that "the community" has always been requesting better and more informative communication.
It's really that simple. :innocent:

It really isn't that simple.  The post I commended you on was entirely unlike the posts of your I had problems with.  You did not insult anyone, directly nor indirectly.  You did not do any name calling or bashing.  You didn't complain.  You didn't emoticon sarcastically.  You explained your view of how things work without a hint of venom, haughtiness, or spite.

Sadly it seems to have been short lived.

I couldn't care less if you agree with me or if I agree with you on how good a company Bioware is in any aspect of it's business practices (this includes what seems to be really bothering you, their communications with the community) - as much as many people continue to try to paint me as simply disagreeing with you main contention -

I never have addressed that point with you before, I'm fairly certain.

They have been pretty bad at communicating, in general, and specifically at dealing with the forum unrest.
IMO, the worst part is not better policing the flaming and baiting and insults, all the breaking of forum policy.
For you it's not being open and honest and forthcoming with infomation about why things have been pulled and delayed.
But exactness aside, we are on the same side of that argument.
We are also on the same side, as I believe this is your stance (it is, at least the stance of MANY who visit this thread) that the PC version shouldn't be held up because of the console versions.

We are NOT disagreeing on those points.

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The biggest problem I've had with your posts, and those of many others (including people defending Bioware) is the personal attacks and insults.
I care not which side of that football match you happen to be on.

-

If you want to twist that into me being a fanboy once again, knock yourself out.

Abriael_CG wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
There you go being productive and adding to understanding in this thread. Repeatedly.

Just when I thought the community couldn't surprise me anymore ...

I've
always been productive Merin. The fact that i'm not productive in the
direction you'd like, doesn't mean that I'm not productive at all [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

An honest compliment, something of a "hey, you're alright", gets responded to with a backhanded dig and several "yeah, he's a hypocrite" agreements from others.
And you are right back with the actions that I find deplorable.

Modifié par MerinTB, 23 janvier 2010 - 06:46 .

[KCFender]

It's amazing how adamantly people will excuse false advertising that nets profits.

And then they argue the legality of it, as if the term "business ethics" doesn't mean anything.



Sorry, but I want BioWare to not hide behind legalities and rabid fanpersons when they falsely advertise products that result in them taking in money off their customers. I don't want to hear about the non-refundability of BioWare Points. Announcing a product's availability on the same day as you announce its delay, and yet you STILL keep every penny the customers paid you that day... you can argue the legality of that all you want - to me it IS fraudulent. And whether a Judge or Jury would agree or not (and I suspect most reasonable people would at least see it as UNETHICAL at LEAST) doesn't mean anything.



The question is does BioWare give a **** about its customers. My answer is, no, to a surprising degree I've never seen before, they will take their customers money in the most shameless of ways: lying and misinformation.



Sorry to interrupt your false legal proceedings. I know many of you are lawyers or work for the Better Business Bureau. Please continue explaining how BioWare is completely innocent in telling me to buy products that they then take away in a matter of hours while offering no apologies or offers for a refund. Personally, I've never seen such blatantly awful customer service. To me, it's unprecedented, and that anyone would excuse it makes me quite literally sick in my stomach.

How very rich, disgusting, and wrong it is to take a cause and take your time to defend unethical business practices. "Fanboy" is the only term I can possibly think of to explain such gross phenomena.

[Abriael_CG]

I hope you will forgive me for responding only to some parts of your raving, given that the rest has been responded to hundreds of times, and it's getting stale.

Poisd2Strike wrote...
Bioware clearly “dropped the ball” with its communication regarding the issue with Return to Ostagar. 
However, Bioware has acknowledged this and are putting a system in place to make sure they communicate more effectively going forward.  I would also like to say that, although I am no fanboy, given Bioware’s overall excellent track record, and the fact that they are only human, they should be “cut more slack” than some other game developers who have a less stellar track record overall (Bethesda comes to mind).

We are indeed cutting them a lot of slack. We're still here and didn't yet ask for a refund on the money we were misled into giving them. if that's not "cutting them slack" i wouldn't know what it is.
 

For those who make the argument that you bought Bioware / MS Points but didn’t get what you paid for, you are clearly mistaken.  Unless you purchased but did not receive the points THEMSELVES, you got EXACTLY what you paid for.  Purchasing Bioware / MS Points with theINTENTION of purchasing Return to Ostagar with THOSE points is not the same as purchasing Return to Ostagar.  If you feel differently, then perhaps you should start a class action lawsuit claiming “consumer fraud” and see how fast you get laughed out of court by any reasonable Judge / Jury.  Some have indicated they wouldn’t accept a refund even if one was offered.  This shows how unreasonable some of you are.

Actually, you don't seem to know very well what you're talking about. Don't summon courts and juries into the picture if you don't know how those things work. The cause-effect link has quite some value in court. A certified bioware representative telling the community that a product is "released later today", and the community scrambling to pay for it, share a clear and quite undeniable cause-effect link, that a "reasonable judge" would very probably recognize.
The fact that no one starts a class action has nothing to do with the validity of the claim, as much as with two very simple elements. People  don't want to bother with something that complex, but even more than that, we're cutting Bioware some slack. Didn't you just encourage that?

Just because Bioware has not provided the ONLY piece of information YOU consider relevant (read: A FIRMrelease date for Return to Ostagar, which a Mod pointed out),

That's the very piece of information that a professional company would give when delaying a product multiple times, at the very last moment, and after misleading customers into paying for it. The fact that YOU don't consider it relevant, doesn't make it less so.

"this does not mean they have not provided the rest of us with information."

So far, the only information they gave is "we're working on it, there's no ETA", which is exactly what they have been said for two weeks, ergo, there's nothing new about it. And it is, of course, much less than what they could give, given the undeniable fact that no game developer works without deadlines or roadmaps, or is completely clueless about the status of their project.

Now, Victor promised a change in that policy, and that's a very welcome thing, if it really happens.

But I would rather Bioware take its time and get it right

They have been given plenty time.

than rush out potentially buggy content just to appease the “angry mob” only to have Return to Ostagar get pulled and delayed yet again due to (gamebreaking) bugs that were not caught ahead of time but could have been had enough time been invested.

You might want to get your facts straight. They have said already that the bug they found wasn't gamebreaking.

Anyone who gets seriously “bent out of shape” about what essentially amounts to an hour of new playable content being delayed needs to re-examine their priorities. 

And I wonder why would anyone elect you as the judge and jury on their priorities? Having priorities doesn't necessarily mean not caring about everything else.

And for the record, the PC version is the most up-to-date patched version of DA: Origins.  The console users (360 and PS3) are STILL waiting for an updated patch.  If anything should be a priority for Bioware, it should be providing an updated patch to the 360 / PS3 users who actually have paid for the full game of DA: Origins and not making DLC availablet o those who have merely purchased point with the intent of buying the DLC, using those points, when it becomes available.

Let me be clear with you. While i'm a console gamer as well, on Dragon Age, if you play it on a console, not only you settled with playing the inferior version compared to the lead platform (the PC), but you're also late to the party. Dragon Age was to be released several months before, and has been delayed to grant you the possibility to even play it. you should be already be grateful for that.
PC gamers had to wait several months exclusively for your sake.
When that delay was announced, Bioware promised that console development would have never, in the future, influenced or slowed down the development of PC content. Ergo, I'm sorry if i find myself not caring at all about the woes of console gamers. PC gamers have to take a backseat to them and wait for several months on most other games. For once PC is the lead platform, and consoles take a backseat, which is a refreshing change.
It's a simple rule with gaming, if you want the best service and the best value for your money, get each game on it's lead platform. If you chose not to, it's not like you weren't warned.

MerinTB wrote...
An honest compliment, something of a "hey,
you're alright", gets responded to with a backhanded dig and several
"yeah, he's a hypocrite" agreements from others.
And you are right back with the actions that I find deplorable. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I'm sorry if my post offended you  Merin, and reading your further post I believe that your intention was good, and if that's the case i'm sorry about misinterpreting. But if you re-read the post I responded to, I'm sure you'll understand that it can be very easily interpreted as a very backhanded compliment. IE: "you behaved like a douchebag til now, how suprising that you can say something that make sense" .

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:07 .

[MerinTB]

Abriael_CG wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
An honest compliment, something of a "hey, you're alright", gets responded to with a backhanded dig and several
"yeah, he's a hypocrite" agreements from others.
And you are right back with the actions that I find deplorable. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I'm sorry if my post offended you  Merin, and reading your further post I believe that your intention was good, and if that's the case i'm sorry about misinterpreting. But if you re-read the post I responded to, I'm sure you'll understand that it can be very easily interpreted as a very backhanded compliment. IE: "you behaved like a douchebag til now, how suprising that you can say something that make sense" .

Gotcha.  To be perfectly frank, I was writing that in a state of amazement.
To my own chagrin, I tend to categorize (too easily) people who insult others and then defend their insulting as not having anything of worth to say.
That's my problem, not yours.

So apology accepted.

And again, to be clear, I'm seriously one of the PC gamers who is enormously annoyed that the game I waited for years for was delayed for consoles.  But I've been working through that selfish anger and trying to stay positive about a company that, for the most part, gives me my favorite games and speaks to me as a gamer more than most.

[Abriael_CG]

MerinTB wrote...
And again, to be clear, I'm seriously one of the PC gamers who is enormously annoyed that the game I waited for years for was delayed for consoles.  But I've been working through that selfish anger and trying to stay positive about a company that, for the most part, gives me my favorite games and speaks to me as a gamer more than most.

Oh, believe me, I am trying as well, and the fact that I'm still here despite having an enormous amount of fun with Forza 3, means that I'm still supporting bioware.
Such effort to keep positive, though, tends to be made much harder to uphold when i'm faced with unprofessional behavioir and lack of communication. Now, admittedly, communication is one of the main parts of my job, and professionality is an extremely important value for me, so I may be more sensitive than the average joe to the lack of one or both of those elements.
Still, I believe they need to get their act straight, and do it much before they launch on the MMORPG market, because what you see here is extremely mild compared to the absolute crapfest that would have ensued if we were one year in the future and this was the forum dedicated to the KOTOR MMORPG. Professionality and open communication are an absolute must in the MMORPG market, if they don't learn those values to a T before launching there, the MMORPG crowd will eat them alive AND unsubscribe. The Star Wars franchise isn't enough to grant automatic success to a MMORPG, as Star Wars Galaxies clearly demonstrated, and EA has already shown not to be (understandably) very forgiving towards failure. I wouldn't want to see Bioware maimed like Mythic has been, two years from now.

[n0y0ki]

ok, seriously now, ab, give your ego, and need to simply rant on for weeks a rest.
its old.
you have accomplished nothing more than dust and air.
youre sitting behind a pc screen , stating how company ceos should do this and that, how media relations should respond thus.

pc quaterbacking aside.
what have you gained other than topics being locked?

not a damn thing.

you want to do some good?
march your self-righteous self right to bioware headquarters, and rant personally.
its getting tiresome here with the same repeated glib.

Modifié par n0y0ki, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:23 .

[Abriael_CG]

n0y0ki wrote...
what have you gained other than topics being locked?

not a damn thing.

While I'm not interested in taking credit, some would definitely disagree with that statement.
Also, there's no topic in this forum that has been locked due to me. The other sticked topic has been closed because it was (according to Victor) redundant with this one. I'm not the one that opened the other topics that have been locked, and they were locked, again, because they were redundant. So I wonder where your accusiations of me getting "topics locked" come from, other than from your personal hate for someone that happens to bring sensitive arguments that counter your apologism. I'm sure that being able to write whatever you want without anyone countering it would be a very pleasant option for you. It's not the case, people learn to live with it.
Given your pretty aggressive and often borderline insulting stance, I could easilhy argue that you contributed to the "closure of topics" as much if not more than me.

@aka.seim: I'm sorry, but the fact that the PC was the lead platform has been out there for months. You should have considered it when making your purchase.
Also, PC gamers have been damaged enough by the presence of a console version, there's absolutely no reason for it to hinder the PC version further. This is what, after all, Bioware promised us when announcing that we were "taking one for the team". Why should they break that promise further?

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:25 .

[alkrantz]

I keep checking this forum in hopes of some news, probably in vain. More than anything the lack of real information is probably my biggest peeve with Bioware. As I stated before with Mass Effect 2 coming out next week I doubt ill have time to play RTO anyway. Bummer that I already bought points it will definitely be the last time I do that. Fool me once as the saying goes...Hopefully, those points can be used for Mass Effect DLC as well. Anyone know?



As a side note, I must admit I am amazed at the wall of text debates some of you are having with each other. You must really have very, very little going on in your lives to be able to spend time in a word war with a complete stranger and just keep rehashing the same points over and over. Is this really the best place you can find to socialize? Anyway whatever, it's not like me saying anything is going to make you think about better things to do, but I seriously have to wonder how some of you find time to do anything else.

[n0y0ki]

Abriael_CG wrote...

n0y0ki wrote...
what have you gained other than topics being locked?

not a damn thing.

While I'm not interested in taking credit, some would definitely disagree with that statement.
Also, there's no topic in this forum that has been locked due to me. The other sticked topic has been closed because it was (according to Victor) redundant with this one. I'm not the one that opened the other topics that have been locked, and they were locked, again, because they were redundant. So I wonder where your accusiations of me getting "topics locked" come from, other than from your personal hate for someone that happens to bring sensitive arguments that counter your apologism. I'm sure that being able to write whatever you want without anyone countering it would be a very pleasant option for you. It's not the case, people learn to live with it.
Given your pretty aggressive and often borderline insulting stance, I could easilhy argue that you contributed to the "closure of topics" as much if not more than me.

@aka.seim: I'm sorry, but the fact that the PC was the lead platform has been out there for months. You should have considered it when making your purchase.
Also, PC gamers have been damaged enough by the presence of a console version, there's absolutely no reason for it to hinder the PC version further. This is what, after all, Bioware promised us when announcing that we were "taking one for the team". Why should they break that promise further?

again your ego rides.
i dont hate you or like you, youre some person on a pc.
but you seem not to get the point, because it doesnt coinside with your views,
that you repeat the same claptrap over and over again ad nauseum.
you do nothing more than take comments that go against your views and try to pick them apart in some vain attempt to make the poster look like they have nothing more than a vendetta against you, and lack any common sense or intelligence.

you have your opinions, granted.
others have theirs, granted.
stop riding the " im right and you dont have a clue" train and let it go .
would ya?

you feel abused and neglected by this "fiasco" as you state it.
well and good.
must you spend countless threads and posts repeating it over and over?

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

n0y0ki wrote...

[
again your ego rides.
i dont hate you or like you, youre some person on a pc.
but you seem not to get the point, because it doesnt coinside with your views,
that you repeat the same claptrap over and over again ad nauseum.
you do nothing more than take comments that go against your views and try to pick them apart in some vain attempt to make the poster look like they have nothing more than a vendetta against you, and lack any common sense or intelligence.

you have your opinions, granted.
others have theirs, granted.
stop riding the " im right and you dont have a clue" train and let it go .
would ya?

you feel abused and neglected by this "fiasco" as you state it.
well and good.
must you spend countless threads and posts repeating it over and over?

Hey if you don't like someone's posts, you're hardly obligated to read and respond to them. Just saying

[Abriael_CG]

n0y0ki wrote...
but you seem not to get the point, because it doesnt coinside with your views,
that you repeat the same claptrap over and over again ad nauseum.

You have done the exact same thing. Pot meet kettle.

It's quite simple. If no results are achieved, you can either drop it, or you can continue asking until you achieve something. I don't like dropping complaints that I feel legit, and so I don't. It's really that simple.

We have been promised a change. This means something was wrong.
If no one raises his voice, change will never come.

[addiction21]

Abriael_CG wrote...

If no one raises his voice, change will never come.

Very true.
I just find making my point with the business end of a pitchfork and some fire makes things a little more interesting.

[n0y0ki]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

n0y0ki wrote...

[
again your ego rides.
i dont hate you or like you, youre some person on a pc.
but you seem not to get the point, because it doesnt coinside with your views,
that you repeat the same claptrap over and over again ad nauseum.
you do nothing more than take comments that go against your views and try to pick them apart in some vain attempt to make the poster look like they have nothing more than a vendetta against you, and lack any common sense or intelligence.

you have your opinions, granted.
others have theirs, granted.
stop riding the " im right and you dont have a clue" train and let it go .
would ya?

you feel abused and neglected by this "fiasco" as you state it.
well and good.
must you spend countless threads and posts repeating it over and over?

Hey if you don't like someone's posts, you're hardly obligated to read and respond to them. Just saying

your advice, take it.

[Abriael_CG]

addiction21 wrote...
I just find making my point with the business end of a pitchfork and some fire makes things a little more interesting.

From Milan to Edmonton is a long way, and they don't sell such a long pitchfork. :innocent:

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 23 janvier 2010 - 08:07 .