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For all you guys know, Bioware and Microsoft may have an NDA as part of any contract, which could mean that not only are they required by contract law not to disclose exact details of these situations (which could mean a huge monetary penalty if stuff is disclosed), but some NDAs also state you can't even disclose you are under an NDA.



So, for those complaining that they aren't giving you enough info, it's very possible they can't.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

If they're waiting certification from Microsoft, then it only takes saying so :D
Victor? :D

By the way, If that was the case, I find it extremely funny that after two blatant contract breaches from Microsoft (the "release" of RtO on the 13th, and today, the "release" of the Mass Effect 2 DLCs for free) Bioware would still abide by any simultaneous release deals they might have.

They're basically letting Microsoft have a stolen timed exclusive on RTO. it's quite shameful if you think about it.


I don't understand how it happens, honestly. Once? Ok, sure. Someone dropped the ball; accidents happen.

Twice? If I were Bioware, I'd wondering what I did to deserve the knife in the back. It's pretty unprofessional, and what's worse is that it's Bioware and not Microsoft who are left to clean up the mess.

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justin25 wrote...

You guys are indeed wiser than the people on the forum at gamespot; for the pc version of Mass Effect 2. Most people there insist this was just a leak and that they did not intend to release this material. The few people that question this (add RTO to the equation) are instantly branded as fanboys and dead wrong; saying "since when has the pc version ever gotten boned by bioware." I cant believe people are so ingnorant and just blindly follow the masses, and cant put the two together. Mistakes like these are amature mistakes, and people working on this stuff at Ms are far from (for the most part).


I am not trying to bash anyone's opinion, but when people cant put the facts together, which are right in front of them, it just amazes me. Also putting down fellow fans with insults (who have facts), and trusting MS/Bioware (without facts), further amazes me more!

Sorry to rant, but man people can be cold and clueless at times.


To be fair mistakes happen, people are human. Thats really not what anyone was upset about in the first place. It really came down to the lack of communication and not some false sense of entitlement GIVE ME RTO now like some people like Feraele would like people to believe.

Given the various circumstances of how things unfolded it wasn't even that huge of a leap in logic to figure out there was  some contractual agreement with MS for simultaneous release and that the DLC itself wasn't the issue.

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YohkoOhno wrote...

For all you guys know, Bioware and Microsoft may have an NDA as part of any contract, which could mean that not only are they required by contract law not to disclose exact details of these situations (which could mean a huge monetary penalty if stuff is disclosed), but some NDAs also state you can't even disclose you are under an NDA.

So, for those complaining that they aren't giving you enough info, it's very possible they can't.


We're aware of that, which is most likely the whole reason for the lack of information in the first place, still though add in the ME2 content gaffe this morning and its really a wonder that Bioware would still be forced to abide to a contract that MS has broken twice now esentially.

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Exactly Abriael and now with this leak which some 360 ppl are bragging about, I cant believe Bioware is allowing it too.

I think it would be hysterical if Bioware released a patch to MS and the 360 which corrects some standard glitches; but also unoffically corrects this little innocent DLC leak

By correcting I mean removingPosted Image

Modifié par justin25, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .


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YohkoOhno wrote...

For all you guys know, Bioware and Microsoft may have an NDA as part of any contract, which could mean that not only are they required by contract law not to disclose exact details of these situations (which could mean a huge monetary penalty if stuff is disclosed), but some NDAs also state you can't even disclose you are under an NDA.


I'm quite familiar with NDA's and I'm equally familiar with the fact that normally it's very easy to run circles around them, expecially when the other party is screwing with you like Microsoft seems to be doing with Bioware.

The most probable case is that they can't tell anything about asimultaneous release deal that's holding up the PC version for the sake of Microsoft, but just as probably they can easily say that "RtO is awaiting certification from Microsoft", i've seen quite a few developers saying so (and Bioware themselves have no qualms about talking about Sony's long certification times). It doesn't straight out tells "it's Microsoft's fault and we have a simultaneous release agreement", but it does let the cat out of the bag.

Anyway, I STILL am hoping that this is not the case, and that they're actually working on the PC version. Otherwise, after promising us that consoles woyld have never influenced the PC releases, we would have quite the broken promise, and personally, I kinda resent broken promises.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:39 .


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I got the game again and got NO update also where is the dlc?

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The DLC for 360 or PC, 360 DLC was "accidently" leaked, but is now not available. The PC version should have codes on them; maybe the PC DLC will be unlocked tomorrow.

Modifié par justin25, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:48 .


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justin25 wrote...

Exactly Abriael and now with this leak which some 360 ppl are bragging about, I cant believe Bioware is allowing it too.

I think it would be hysterical if Bioware released a patch to MS and the 360 which corrects some standard glitches; but also unoffically corrects this little innocent DLC leak

By correcting I mean removingPosted Image



i was not able to get the DLC when it was leaked, so there are people who missed out due to MS screwing everyone with that crappy Update that screwed the game up and most of us had to use a work around to get the game working right. so think about that.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

If they're waiting certification from Microsoft, then it only takes saying so :D
Victor? :D

By the way, If that was the case, I find it extremely funny that after two blatant contract breaches from Microsoft (the "release" of RtO on the 13th, and today, the "release" of the Mass Effect 2 DLCs for free) Bioware would still abide by any simultaneous release deals they might have.

They're basically letting Microsoft have a stolen timed exclusive on RTO. it's quite shameful if you think about it.


Well, it looks like most of the DLC leaked for ME2 were various "free" pre-order bonuses from Gamestop.    Depending on the contracts, that may be mostly an issue between them and Microsoft. 

Been kinda curious on what sort of deal Bioware has with Gamestop for stuff like this.  Obviously, Bioware had to spend time/money to create the items.  And Gamestop has been putting out a lot of commercials for ME2.  Does Gamestop get a break on their purchase price in exchange for X dollars / minutes of commercials/promotions? 

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jedimaster52501 wrote...

justin25 wrote...

Exactly Abriael and now with this leak which some 360 ppl are bragging about, I cant believe Bioware is allowing it too.

I think it would be hysterical if Bioware released a patch to MS and the 360 which corrects some standard glitches; but also unoffically corrects this little innocent DLC leak

By correcting I mean removingPosted Image



i was not able to get the DLC when it was leaked, so there are people who missed out due to MS screwing everyone with that crappy Update that screwed the game up and most of us had to use a work around to get the game working right. so think about that.



Uhhh, I was talking about Mass Effect 2, not Dragon Age!

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Satanic Hamster wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

If they're waiting certification from Microsoft, then it only takes saying so :D
Victor? :D

By the way, If that was the case, I find it extremely funny that after two blatant contract breaches from Microsoft (the "release" of RtO on the 13th, and today, the "release" of the Mass Effect 2 DLCs for free) Bioware would still abide by any simultaneous release deals they might have.

They're basically letting Microsoft have a stolen timed exclusive on RTO. it's quite shameful if you think about it.


Well, it looks like most of the DLC leaked for ME2 were various "free" pre-order bonuses from Gamestop.    Depending on the contracts, that may be mostly an issue between them and Microsoft. 

Been kinda curious on what sort of deal Bioware has with Gamestop for stuff like this.  Obviously, Bioware had to spend time/money to create the items.  And Gamestop has been putting out a lot of commercials for ME2.  Does Gamestop get a break on their purchase price in exchange for X dollars / minutes of commercials/promotions? 



I agree and wonder how mad Gamestop will be!  Since they spent money on those exclusive items, which are now not so exclusive.

Modifié par justin25, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:29 .


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Still no word?

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Dargar21 wrote...

Still no word?


No, but I suspect it was a late night..football game and all..so don't expect much today.

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Dahelia wrote...

Dargar21 wrote...

Still no word?


No, but I suspect it was a late night..football game and all..so don't expect much today.


Go Colts. B)

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Satanic Hamster wrote...
Well, it looks like most of the DLC leaked for ME2 were various "free" pre-order bonuses from Gamestop.    Depending on the contracts, that may be mostly an issue between them and Microsoft. 


Doubtful, the rights on the intellectual property are still Bioware's, so it's very probable that any contract is still made with them.
IE: Bioware has a contract with Gamestop for the exclusive promotional DLC deal, and another with Microsoft for the distribution of that content. It makes more sense, license-wise, that Bioware having a contract with Gamestop that has a contract with Microsoft (which would involve Bioware relinquishing the rights to Gamestop to make deals on their IP, i seriously doubt something like that is ever gonna happen).

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Abriael_CG wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...
Relax, take a deep breath and ask yourself, is it really worth it to get all huffy and puffy over a video game?


The funny part is that the only "huffy and puffy" one here is the one that barges in with his condescending attitude, telling everyone else what they should do, and what they should think.

There have been a few. They came, they wrote their condescending and slightly inflamatory line, and then they're gone. A nice exercise in futility. :whistle:

In the future I'd suggest you to join a thread if you have something to add to the discussion. An utterly condescending attitude with zero substance normally tends to be nothing else than silly flamebait :wizard:


YOU of all people have no right to talk about ANYONE ELSE being condescending.  If you calling someone else condescending isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.  YOU have been NOTHING but flippant, dismissive, unreasonable, self-righteuous, and condesceding toward Bioware and ANYONE else who has anything to say that does not fit "lock step" with your selfish, self-centered, myopic point of view of the unfortunate situation with Return to Ostagar (and, I am guesing, life in general) which you try and pass off as 'altruism' but which anybody who has followed this thread can see is nothing more than self-serving at best.

Return to Ostagar was prematurely and UNEXPECTEDLY released on 01/13/2010 for the Xbox 360.  Issues were discovered which required the content to (unfortunately) be taken down.  I don't think anyone, including Bioware, is happy about this situation.  Bioware acknowledged that it failed to effectively communicate to its loyal customers, at least initially, but have promised that steps would be taken going forward to prevent such a miscommunication from happening again should DLC delays happen in the future.  Speculation about a Simultaneous Release
Agreement (while certainly intersting) is, quite frankly, irrelevant since if there is a SLR between Bioware and Microsoft and / or Bioware and Sony, there is also almost certainly a Non-Disclosure Agreement which would prevent Bioware (or its authrorized representatives) from informing us that a Simultaneous Release Agreement is in place which mandates that Return to Ostagar cannot be released on the PC prior to being released on the Xbox 360 and / or Sony PS3.  It is in Bioware's best interest to honor any contractual obligations (SLR and NDA) it may have with Microsoft and / or Sony since NOT doing so would open Bioware up to a "breach of contact" lawsuit which, if lost, would cause Bioware to have to pay Microsoft and / or Sony "damages".  The costs (damages) of such a monetary judgement against Bioware would, inevitably, be passed onto its customers; meaning we ALL would have to pay more for future Bioware developed games / DLC.

Furthermore, Bioware has informed us that they are working on fixing the issues with Return to Ostagar.  Since no one outside of Bioware has direct access to the original source code (for DA: Origins or any other DLC, including Return to Ostagar), the dev kits and the debugging tools, ONLY Bioware is qualified to determine that there are / are not issues that need addressing, on platforms, other than the Xbox 360.  They are making sure that not only is Return to Ostagar ITSELF functioning properly, but also that the content in Return to Ostagar does not somehow
CONFLICT with content OUTSIDE of Return to Ostagar for PC, Xbox 360 AND PS3.  Such content would include DA: Origins itself and other existing DLC; such as The Stone Prisoner and Warden's Keep.

Bioware has not given us a FIRM release date for Return to Ostagar, which incidentally is the ONLY information YOU would consider relevant and informative (as one of the Mods CLEARLY pointed out) because, despite your insistence otherwise, Bioware DOESN'T KNOW.  Bioware doesn't know the FIRM release date for Return to Ostagar because they must first resolve the issues to THEIR satisfaction (not YOUR satisfaction or MY satisfaction) and then submit any proposed fixes to both Microsoft and Sony (for the Xbox360 and PS3) for further testing and approval.  Since Bioware cannot UNILATERALLY release any fixes AND since Bioware has NO CONTROL over Microsoft and / or Sony's testing and approval processes, Bioware cannot give us a FIRM relase date until they hear back from Microsoft and Sony.  If you want to trust the SOFTWARE PIRATES who have downloaded the leaked Return to Ostagar DLC (for PC) who have no access to the original source code, dev kits or debugging tools and yet claim that the DLC is "bug free",  over Bioware who had the original source code, dev kits AND debugging tools, then that is your (foolish) choice.  Incidentally, these same SOFTWARE PIRATES also have no recourse, legal or otherwise, should a game-breaking bug be discovered to exist in the leaked Return  to Ostagar DLC for the PC that causes issues for either DA: Origins or their PC in general.

And as for YOUR claims about being "misled" into purchasing Bioware Points,  they are disingeneous AT BEST.  As I stated previously, you purchased Bioware POINTS and received Bioware POINTS.  You DID NOT purchase Return to Ostagar ITSELF.  I will state it again.  Try to pay attention this time:  Purchasing Bioware / MS Points WITH THE INTENTION OF USING THOSE POINTS to purchase Return to Ostagar is NOT the same as purchasing Return to Ostagar ITSELF.  At BEST you could argue you would not have purchased THOSE specific Bioware
Points, WHEN you did, had you known that Return to Ostagar would be delayed PRIOR to purchasing THOSE Bioware Points.  While this is certainly a valid point, it does NOT negate the FACT that you STILL got EXACTLY what you paid for:  Bioware Points, no more and no less. 

Furthermore, Bioware points (like MS Points) are NOT restricted to any SPECIFIC Bioware product and do NOT have an expiration date.  IF Bioware Points WERE restricted to a SPECIFIC product and / or had an expiration date, AND IF the product you INTENDED to puchase was either NOT released AT ALL or was released AFTER the Bioware Points expiration date, THEN AND ONLY THEN would you have a VALID argument and, at the very least, be ENTITLED to a full refund of the puchase price of THOSE points.  I am sure iIF that was the case, Bioware
would be willling to refund your points.  Since that is NOT how Bioware Points / MS Points work, however, your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Do you honestly believe that the Bioware Representative who announced that Return to Ostagar would be available for download later in the day, and who YOU admittedly CHOSE to rely on as the basis for YOUR DECISION to purchase Bioware Points PRIOR to Return to Ostagar ACTUALLY being available for download, knew PRIOR to making that announcement, that Return to Ostagar would be delayed at the time he made the announcement?  If you believe THAT then perhaps you should consider taking pre-scription medication for a chemical imbalance and / or paranoia.  NO ONE in these forums or at Bioware for that matter held a gun to YOUR head and forced YOU to purchase Bioware Points, PRIOR to the DLC for which you intended to spend THOSE Bioware Points on ACTUALLY being available.  You have NO ONE BUT YOURSELF to blame for THAT DECISION.  And we all know THAT won't happen, since you are both quick and eager to pass the blame onto someone else.  YOUR insistence that YOU were somehow purposely "misled" into pre-maturely purchasing Bioware Points only serves as further evidence of YOUR tendecy to blame others for YOUR (poor) decisions.  I would not be suprised, in the least, if your tendecy to BLAME OTHERS carries on into your daily life.  Pehaps the next time you consider purchasing Bioware Points, you should WAIT for the DLC to ACTUALLY be available PRIOR to purchasing THOSE points.  THAT, however,  would require a modicum of both patience and self-control, which are qualities you are OBVIOUSLY sorely lacking.

And your claim that the PC version of games "typically" take a back-seat to Console releases is also "laughable".  The PC Version of DA: Origins is the MOST patched, up-to-date version of DA: Origins currently available and even includes a Toolkit that allows for PC owners of the game to create their own content. That fan-made content can then be made available, for download, to share among other PC owners of DA: Origins; at no cost to them.  This is a COMMON practice among PC game developers and something that Console gamers have been hoping to get for years, but this feature has largely ignored by developers of Console games.  A notable fairly recent exception, to this general rule, is LittleBigPlanet for the Sony PS3.  LittleBigPlanet allows PS3 owners to create and share levels for LittleBigPlanet.  Perhaps YOU should consider downloading and playing some of the better available fan-made DA: Origins PC content while Bioware takes the necessary steps to ensure that Return to Ostagar can be released for the PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 without the need to REMOVE Return to Ostagar AGAIN due to some
(potentially) GAME-BREAKING BUG that WOULD HAVE  been discovered, but WAS NOT, had Bioware taken the NECESSARY time to sufficiently debug instead of caving and thereby appeasing  the "Angry Mob" (which includes YOU).

As I have also previously stated (which YOU, not suprisingly, chose to simply ignore):  Xbox 360 and PS3 owners of DA: Origins (something they ACTUALLY paid for already, UNLIKE how YOU supposedly PAID FOR Return to Ostagar) are STILL waiting for their content to be patched, to the same level that the PC version of DA: Origins has been patched.  Most console owners of DA: Origins, however, are reasonable and rational enough to realize that patches for the PC version of DA: Origins do NOT require the approval of a third-party (Microsoft for Xbox 360 and
Sony for PS3) and THERFORE can be and OFTEN ARE released prior to Console patches.  They do not blame PC owners for the fact that their version is not patched, to the same degree, as the PC version of DA: Origins.  However, since Xbox 360 and PS3 owners are STILL waiting for an updated patch for something (in this case, DA: Origins ITSELF) they ACTUALLY paid for (Again, UNLIKE how YOU supposedly PAID FOR Return to Ostagar), Bioware's PRIORITY should be to get a patch out for both the Xbox 360 AND the PS3 versions of DA: Origins, PRIOR to releasing Return to Ostagar on either PC, Xbox 360 OR PS3.  This does NOT mean that Return to Ostagar AND an updated patch for the Xbox 360 and PS3 CANNOT be developed concurrently.  What is DOES mean is that IF (and I stress IF) Bioware HAD to choose between releasing Return to Ostagar OR an updated Xbox 360 and PS3 patch, Bioware SHOULD make the ethical and difficult choice of releasing the patch for the Xbox 360 and the PS3 before releasing Return to Ostagar.  Judging by the DISPROPORTIONATE level of outrage, regarding the situation with Return to Ostagar, given the PERCEIVED level of Bioware's "offense" that YOU and others like you hold, versus the ACTUAL level of Bioware's "offense" those of us who are reasonable, rational, AND logical ADULTS hold, I would not fault Bioware with releasing Return to Ostagar FIRST.  Since YOU however have the PC version of DA: Origins and are therefore up-to-date with YOUR version's patches, you will no-doubt simply dismiss this point and insist that Return to Ostagar, for PC in particular, be given TOP PRIORITY.

Contrary to what you WANT to believe,  YOUR constant COMPLAINING has accomplished NOTHING; other than showing the rest of us how individuals who are "id-dominant" typically behave.  If you seriously believe that YOU and YOUR complaints are the reason Bioware chose to implement a better internal review process, YOU certainly have quite the ego but are SADLY mistaken.  Responsible companies, such as Bioware, TYPICALLY develop new internal review processes when things go "awry" to prevent or at least mitigate the chances of a re-currence from
happening in the future.  You DID, however, mange to get noticed by one of the Mods who actually mentioned YOU by name.  YOU probably consider that a GOOD thing when, in reality, Bioware probably (and rightfully so) couldn't care less whether someone with your self-centered, self-righteous, id-dominated, dismissive, flippant and condescending mentality ever buys another Bioware product again.  I also don't doubt that MANY people, who have followed this thread and have witnessed with your "endless temper tantrum", would concur.  YOU are like the child who travels in a car with his parents and constantly asks "Are we there yet?"  Bioware will release Return to Ostagar WHEN IT IS READY and NOT BEFORE.  Bioware will give us a FIRM release date for Return to Ostagar WHEN Bioware knows the FIRM release date and NOT BEFORE.  YOU can choose to accept that or choose NOT to accept that, but YOUR choice NOT to accept that will NOT change THAT, and NO AMOUNT of "demands" for apologies or "demands" to be kept better-informed of the status or Return to Ostagar or "demands" for what YOU
consider RELEVANT information (read: ONLY a FIRM release date for Return to Ostagar) will CHANGE that despite YOUR choice NOT to accept.

One last bit of advice (which you will undoubtedly ignore):  Try giving your SUPEREGO some "play time", since both your id and ego must  CLEARLY be exhausted.  YOU are CLEARLY governed by emotion and NOT rational, logical thought OR behavior.

Modifié par Poisd2Strike, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:59 .


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So, did someone pay you to write that wall of text, filling it with points that have been abundantly countered an hundred times, hearsay disguised as facts, veiled (or not so veiled) personal attacks/insults and condescending ego-drooling trips?

Don't worry, If I'll ever happen to need an analyst (at the moment I don't, but one never knows about what the future brings) I'll contact a professional, not a forum/basement dweller that thinks he has what it takes to judge others that he doesn't even know.

As for your points, they have been smashed so many times that it isn't even needed to counter them again. Thanks for your (massive, I give you that. You sure have a lot of time on your hands) effort though, you did give us some giggles while we wait :whistle:

Oh, just a lil piece of advice. Compulsive use of the caps lock won't give more solidity to your flawed points, quite the contrary, it makes your wall of text even less reladable.  For sure more giggle-worthy as one can imagine you ranting and raving lile a madman while bouncing around the room and pacing like crazy, but most definitely, not more solid :wizard:

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Poisd2Strike wrote...
One last bit of advice (which you will undoubtedly ignore):  Try giving your SUPEREGO some "play time", since both your id and ego must  CLEARLY be exhausted.  YOU are CLEARLY governed by emotion and NOT rational, logical thought OR behavior.


Is this really what you want to say at the end of such a rant as you just pulled?

Also, BioWare Points are the only way thus far people can buy RtO. So if the company announces RtO is available and people buy BW Points for it, then they are buying those points FOR RtO. So when RtO turned out to not be available, BW made a whole lot of money off their fans for a product they might not even want anymore.

Your EMOTIONAL belief that customers who bought these Points don't deserve any compensation is laughably ridiculous. You're arguing semantics for paragraphs and paragraphs. I made an analogy earlier that if I bought a gift card at a store due to a store manager telling me that gift card would be good for a product available soon, I WOULD get a refund for that gift card if the store manager's information turned out to be incorrect.

The store manager wouldn't argue for hours with me about how he's not responsible for the falsities that led me to buy the gift card, or that the gift card is simply non-refundable. That would be a deplorable thing to do to a customer really.

But, who am I talking to. Throughout that entire essay you wrote, I heard only one thing playing in my head:

"LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!"

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Wow!! Stands up and cheers for Poisd2strike ..you have said everything we "of the opposing opinion" have been saying all along.

With that..I am exiting this thread, because Poisd you know what will happen next. They will chop up your post into tiny text boxes and slowly tear it to shreds...and then discard it.

All the while singing LA LA LA LA with their fingers in their ears, and taking credit for making Bioware...jump to their tune.

Oh and I read the whole thing..some don't do that ..for fear they might learn something.  hehehe

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Poisd;

Your post would have been more effective if it was all in caps.



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Feraele wrote...

Wow!! Stands up and cheers for Poisd2strike ..you have said everything we "of the opposing opinion" have been saying all along.


Yes, and everything that has already been repeated a thousand times, and smashed to pieces a thousand times by simple logic and reason. Af course all sprinkled with insults and personal attacks, because those are always fun to add, and make little minds think that they "are right".
Oh well. Nothing surprising here :D

With that..I am exiting this thread, because Poisd you know what will happen next. They will chop up your post into tiny text boxes and slowly tear it to shreds...and then discard it.


Already done, much before he took two hours of his evidently abundant free time to write it :D But thanks for your obvious and expected contribution.

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Feraele wrote...
With that..I am exiting this thread, because Poisd you know what will happen next. They will chop up your post into tiny text boxes and slowly tear it to shreds...and then discard it.
 


Easily done. Most of what he said are empty platitudes repeated over, and over, and over, all while avoiding the common sense of customer service.

You guys seem to be grasping for any semantic edge in an argument against customers who actually paid BioWare money for a product they haven't received (even if the transaction is gone through a middle man, i.e. BioWare Points).

I don't blame you for this taking a toll on you. I can't imagine it's easy, being this much of a fan of a financial institution that cares nothing about you in return.

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Feraele wrote...
Yes you are damned good at it Abby and so is your little sidekick. :)  So I cede to your brilliant insults and you have to find someone else to tear to bits..won't you? :)


And of course, you uphold the one that wrote that wall of text, half of which was made by personal attacks and insults, and accuse me to be the insulting one. Why am I not surprised?

To gain a little of credibility, my dear Feraele, you might want to lay off on the selective reading. :?