Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Modifié par Abriael_CG, 26 janvier 2010 - 08:06 .
Leonhartx wrote...
I think im in that crowd of people who lost any respect for BW,
I was stoked for SWTOR and now after seeing this BS, I doubt they can handle a MMO, I gotta pick FF14 now.
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
Leonhartx wrote...
I think im in that crowd of people who lost any respect for BW,
I was stoked for SWTOR and now after seeing this BS, I doubt they can handle a MMO, I gotta pick FF14 now.
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
Abriael_CG wrote...
Poisd2Strike wrote...
Just because you might not agree with the points I made does not mean the points I made automatically qualify as a 'rant'. Incidentally, you may want to go back and actually read what I wrote, since I am about to point out where you missed, or chose to simply ignore, several points.
No, your wall of text classified as an emotional ego-drooling rant because it was sprinkled all over with insults and personal attacks. I see, at least, that you managed to get your caps-lock unstuck. Good job with that.
Now you might want to try training your brevity. Expressing a simple (albeit flawed) concept in 100 words instead of the 10 needed doesn't make it more solid. Quite the contrary.You must have missed where I wrote "And as for your claims about being "misled" into purchasing Bioware Points, they are disingeneous at best.
You know, one doesn't need to lie maliciously and intentionally lying to be misleading. He led us to take an action upon a false assumption. Hence mis-led.Your analogy is logically flawed.
Your analogy is actually even more flawed. While Gamestop and the Live Marketplace have a very rich catalogue, thus voiding the cause-effect link between a very specific announcement and the purchase of the points, the Bioware catalogue is extremely limited. Most of us can only purchase RtO from it, hence the cause-effect link between the very specific and clear cut announcemet and the purchase of the points is evident and undeniable.
Poisd2Strike wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Poisd2Strike wrote...
Just because you might not agree with the points I made does not mean the points I made automatically qualify as a 'rant'. Incidentally, you may want to go back and actually read what I wrote, since I am about to point out where you missed, or chose to simply ignore, several points.
No, your wall of text classified as an emotional ego-drooling rant because it was sprinkled all over with insults and personal attacks. I see, at least, that you managed to get your caps-lock unstuck. Good job with that.
Now you might want to try training your brevity. Expressing a simple (albeit flawed) concept in 100 words instead of the 10 needed doesn't make it more solid. Quite the contrary.You must have missed where I wrote "And as for your claims about being "misled" into purchasing Bioware Points, they are disingeneous at best.
You know, one doesn't need to lie maliciously and intentionally lying to be misleading. He led us to take an action upon a false assumption. Hence mis-led.Your analogy is logically flawed.
Your analogy is actually even more flawed. While Gamestop and the Live Marketplace have a very rich catalogue, thus voiding the cause-effect link between a very specific announcement and the purchase of the points, the Bioware catalogue is extremely limited. Most of us can only purchase RtO from it, hence the cause-effect link between the very specific and clear cut announcemet and the purchase of the points is evident and undeniable.
I am not suprised in the least that you chose to respond, and as quickly as you did, even though I was not responding to one of your posts. You chose to ignore the valid points I made, that others have pointed out are valid, simply because it suits your purpose. You have torn apart every post I have made, like you have done to several others, and you are clearly not used to people standing up to you and (saints preserve us) actually contradicting you and telling you could actually be wrong. If anyone has the "bully mentality" it is you, not I.
Bioware chose to delay Return to Ostagar for reasons Bioware deems valid. We can speculate about SLR agreements and NDAs and whether or not the PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 versions all have legitimate technical issues requiring a delay, until we are blue in the face. Money tends to talk, in business, and both Microsoft and Sony could have "ponied up some cash" to ensure an SLR on all gaming platforms. I don't know that this did occur, but you also don't know that it did not occur . It is entirely possible that there are legitimate technical issues with the PC version. It is also possible that there are no legitimate technical issues with the PC version of Return to Ostagar that would require a delay of the PC version. If there is no SLR and / or NDA in place and if there are no legitimate issues with the PC version, then Bioware should absolutely release Return to Ostagar as soon as humanly possible for the PC. There would be no legitimate reason not to. That Bioware has not released Return to Ostagar (for the PC) would indicate that there either are legitimate technical issues and / or there is an SLR and / or NDA is place.
Regardless of what did / did not occur, Return to Ostagar has been delayed, Bioware is working on getting Return to Ostagar released for PC, Xbox 360 and PS3, Bioware has the original source code, dev kits and debugging tools (not the software pirates) and is therefore the most qualified entity to determine what issues exist (if any) and how they can expeditiously and effectively be resolved. Incidentally, I stated that I am aware there is no third-party review in the case of the PC version of Return to Ostagar, but you chose to simply igore that statement. For Xbox 360 and PS3, Bioware must additionally submit any proposed "fix" for further testing and final approval to Microsoft and Sony respectively. Therefore, Bioware cannot tell us exactly when Return to Ostagar will be available; meaning Bioware cannot give us a firm, set release date. At best, Bioware could tell us that a proposed "fix" has been submitted and is pending review and approval by Microsoft and Sony and that they anticipate hearing back from Microsoft and Sony within "X" number of hours and / or days.
Bioware would then technically be at the mercy of Microsoft and Sony's review process timeline. At this point, Microsoft and Sony would test the proposed "fix" Bioware has submitted and either green light or red light the "fix". If the proposed "fix" is given the red light, then Bioware will have to re-submit a new proposed "fix" which will have to be reviewed once again. Once the proposed "fix" is eventually given the green light, Bioware will then be able to provide us with an exact firm release date for Return to Ostagar; since at this point Bioware will no longer have to rely on a third party's approval process. Until Bioware receives a response from Microsoft and Sony,
Regardless of what you desparately want to believe, you were never "misled"; at least not in the strict legal sense that would warrant some form of reasonable compensation. No one "led you to take action" or held a gun to your head. You chose to purchase Bioware Points. I previously acknowledged that you (and others) most likely would not have purchased those Bioware Points, when you did, had you known that Return to Ostagar would be delayed. However, if you intended to purchase Return to Ostagar (for PC) you would have had to purchase Bioware Point at some point in time regardless. The content you wanted was not even available at the time, but you chose to purchase Bioware Points anyway. Patience is, afterall, a virtue.
Additionally, the Bioware Rep would not have released the statement when he did, about the PC version of Return to Ostagar being soon available, had he known (at that time) that Return to Ostagar would be delayed. To believe otherwise is to believe that Bioware would actually want a bunch of disgruntled loyal customers. The Bioware Rep was acting "in good faith" when the statement about the pending release of Return to Ostagar (for PC) was made. Had the Bioware Rep known that Return to Ostagar (for PC) would be delayed and had he chosen to release a statement anyway, indicating Return to Ostagar would be soon available, then you and others would have been "misled" into purchasing Bioware Points; since the Bioware Rep would have been acting "in bad faith" as opposed to "in good faith". Representatives of Corparations are generally assumed and expected, if not required, to act "in good faith" when dealing with Customer and / or Public Relations.
As for PC users being promised that the console versions of DA: Origins would have no impact on the PC version of DA: Origins or subsequent DLC, I will re-iterate that in the business world Money talks. Bioware may have honestly intended to keep that promise when it was made, but circumstances may have arisen since then (SLRs and / or NDAs) that prevent Bioware from doing so. If there is an SLR /NDA in place, it is entirely possible that EA (Bioware's parent company) and not Bioware is responsible. While this is certainly not a good business practice, it unfortunately does occur.
My analogy regarding Gamestop Gift Cards was hardly flawed. Your only attempt to counter it was to point out that Bioware's catalogue is more limited than either Gamestop or Microsoft. Just because Bioware's catalogue may be more limited does not mean that Bioware Points either expire or are restricted to a specific item. While Bioware's catalogue may be more limited, you and others still purchased Bioware Points (aka Credit) and not Return to Ostagar itself (aka item purchased via Cash or in the case of Bioware / MS Points Credit.). Had you or others been able to pay for Return to Ostagar (via Paypal, Credit Card, etc) and actually paid for Return to Ostagar, then you would have had a valid argument for not receiving what you paid for, when Return to Ostagar got delayed.
I play DA: Origins on the Xbox 360. Speaking for myself, had Bioware promised console users that the PC version would not negatively impact the console version and if the console version was more patched than the PC version, I would encourage Bioware to patch the PC version, first and foremost, even if that meant that Return to Ostagar (and other DLC) would be slightly delayed for the console versions. Providing patches / updates for DA: Origins itself, for all platforms, should take precedence to providing DLC to one or more platforms; especially since any DLC cannot be played alone but requires DA: Origins itself to play. DLC that does not require the "parent game" to play could potentially be excluded, but I have yet to see DLC that does not require the original Game for which the DLC was created.
I have no doubt you will simply dismiss everything I have said, as you have done thus far. Perhaps Bioware should consider making Bioware Points refundable, or at least refundable within "X" amount of time of being purchased. Had you waited to purchase Bioware Points until Return to Ostagar (for PC) was actually available for download (legitimately mind you, not the leaked version), any potential refund would not even need to be discussed. Bioware should also consider adopting the same policy that other respected and very successful Game Developers such as id Software and Valve (amongst others) adopt: A game and any information surrounding that game will be released "when it is ready" and not before.
Modifié par n0y0ki, 26 janvier 2010 - 09:10 .
Poisd2Strike wrote...
Epic novel of words
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
n0y0ki wrote...
gods, if abrial quotes and paraphrases this down to parts..im done..
ill kick puppies and juggle kittens , and spit on clowns in absolute rage..
or not, which ever may happen..
enchantment!
awsome_robot wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
Cool! i'll just take $5 dollars from you, and see what you'd do about it. Nobody wants to invest $ (doesn't matter how much), and get nothing in return... especially something that was announced for.
Modifié par n0y0ki, 26 janvier 2010 - 09:28 .
awsome_robot wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
Cool! i'll just take $5 dollars from you, and see what you'd do about it. Nobody wants to invest $ (doesn't matter how much), and get nothing in return... especially something that was announced for.
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
awsome_robot wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
Cool! i'll just take $5 dollars from you, and see what you'd do about it. Nobody wants to invest $ (doesn't matter how much), and get nothing in return... especially something that was announced for.
Yes...Bioware's plan was to steal everyone's five dollars. It was all part of the evil corporation Bioware's genius plan MUAH HA HA HA HA
You'll get your precious DLC eventually. Keep your pants on.
Dahelia wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
awsome_robot wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
Cool! i'll just take $5 dollars from you, and see what you'd do about it. Nobody wants to invest $ (doesn't matter how much), and get nothing in return... especially something that was announced for.
Yes...Bioware's plan was to steal everyone's five dollars. It was all part of the evil corporation Bioware's genius plan MUAH HA HA HA HA
You'll get your precious DLC eventually. Keep your pants on.
You are pretty funny, no one is allowed to be mad, no one is allowed to voice their opinion otherwise they are whiners and they "need to keep their pants on" why don't you just stop reading?
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Dahelia wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
awsome_robot wrote...
Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...
Abriael_CG wrote...
Shadowking20010 wrote...
We all want it but whining about it changes nothing, play something else, read a book and when it is ready it's ready.
Gotta love this intentionary inflamatory choice of wording. People here aren't "whining". They're expressing valid and legitimate customer complaints about an undelivered product they already paid for, and on which they have not been given any information for two weeks.
How have they already paid for it again? If you mean buying points ahead of time that's hardly directly paying for a product. Oh and it's five freaking dollars, it's hardly the dire situation you make it out to be. The DLC will be out eventually, until then go play ME2 or do something less sad than patrolling a thread on a internet message board.
I bet 50 percent of this thread is posts by you.
Cool! i'll just take $5 dollars from you, and see what you'd do about it. Nobody wants to invest $ (doesn't matter how much), and get nothing in return... especially something that was announced for.
Yes...Bioware's plan was to steal everyone's five dollars. It was all part of the evil corporation Bioware's genius plan MUAH HA HA HA HA
You'll get your precious DLC eventually. Keep your pants on.
You are pretty funny, no one is allowed to be mad, no one is allowed to voice their opinion otherwise they are whiners and they "need to keep their pants on" why don't you just stop reading?
Oh I don't mind people complaining...I do however get annoyed when people are foolish enough to spend 60 pages rehashing the same watered down complaint about the lack of five dollar content when it accomplishes absolutely nothing. The DLC isn't coming out any sooner after all the repeated complaints....you've pretty much wasted your time. So yes...all you can do is "keep your pants" on and wait like everyone else.
Or continue to sperg in this thread until your face turns blue.
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