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[cap and gown]

I really like this gun in ME3 - light weight, no recoil, and that endless stream of bullets. Its just a lot of fun even if it isn't very powerful.

But in ME2 the only way to use it is either as a Soldier, in which case the Mattock is obviously better, or take assault rifle training, which doesn't makes sense if you have the Locust and the Mattock is still better. The only advantage I can see is the larger ammo supply. (Though, it still is a fun weapon.)

So, when might you use the GPR? I am thinking perhaps against Geth. Any other ideas?

[RedCaesar97]

GPR is terrible in ME2. There is no good reason to use it,

If you are the Soldier, you already have a better assault rifle (Vindicator or Mattock or Revenant), and if you are any other class and took assault rifle training, then you have SMGs for shields and the Vindicator. Mattock is not necessarily better than the Vindicator on non-Soldier classes.

The only way I could see the GPR getting any use on the Soldier is as a pseudo-SMG replacement, since it has a better multiplier against shields than other assault rifles, but its damage is rather low so it tends to not be that much better than the Avenger.

[Forst1999]

It's a very bad weapon in ME2. It HAS a slighty better multiplier against shields, but not much better, And it's base damage isn't impressive at all. It's strange, changing rate of fire makes it a mediocre weapon you can't depend on.

[Red Panda]

Forst1999 wrote...

It's a very bad weapon in ME2. It HAS a slighty better multiplier against shields, but not much better, And it's base damage isn't impressive at all. It's strange, changing rate of fire makes it a mediocre weapon you can't depend on.

Just a sine curve. No biggie.

[Merc Mama]

It was my weapon of choice in the SP
And when it's unlocked in the MP, it will take up it's place at my side.

[Tonymac]

I liked it better in ME1 and 2

[chessplayer209]

i played all the games on insanity just recently, and didnt really notice that much difference between a few of the assault rifles, to include the geth pulse rifle (among ME2 assault rifles anyway). they all seem like they work well enough if you adjust tactics/playstyle according to which you're using at a given time. The only one I haven't used yet is the Revenant, which I never got to try because I basically always choose the Widow Sniper instead.

that said, I played the rest of the game with Geth Pulse Rifle as my assault rifle in ME2 as soon as I got it, just because I thought Geth technology had some exotic appeal in my imagination that game, liked having Legion on my squad so it seemed fitting, etc.

Tonymac wrote...

I liked it better in ME1 and 2

This is interesting... didn't even know how I could get Geth weapons in ME1.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 08 septembre 2013 - 06:40 .

[Forst1999]

chessplayer209 wrote...

This is interesting... didn't even know how I could get Geth weapons in ME1.

It does drop sometimes in ME1 and is actually a bit different from the other weapons. Very precise, but you can put no mods on it.

[cap and gown]

chessplayer209 wrote...

 The only one I haven't used yet is the Revenant, which I never got to try because I basically always choose the Widow Sniper instead.

I haven't really liked the Revenant. Its spray pattern is really wide. To use it you basically have to fire it in very, very short bursts. I found it useful in sections where I knew ammo would be in short supply (mostly when fighting collectors) but I preferred the Mattock most times. I felt the Widow was a better choice most of the time.

The Locust remains my favorite. Too bad the Soldier can't use it, or my Soldiers would.

[Darkstar Aurora]

I use it as a decorative accessory since it is the most aesthetically good looking weapon when mounted on your shoulder, since Mass Effect 1 & 2 forced you to carry an arsenal of weapons even when you were a biotic or tech specialist.

[capn233]

I never cared for it in ME1 or ME2.

[brad2240]

I carried it once, as a full auto back-up on my Widow Soldier. It did the job but was uninspiring, to say the least. If Soldiers could use SMGs in ME2 then it would never have a place in my games.

[cap and gown]

I want to bring up this thread again because I think I may have found a use for the GPR.

I am playing an infiltrator right now. Normally I would take the Widow option during the Collector ship. This time, however, I was thinking of taking assault rifle training. IIRC, the Viper is somewhat like the Mattock in that it has a higher RoF than you can get without time dialation. Not as high as the Mattock, but still higher than you can get without the dialation. Also, while the Soldier can get a 140% damage boost from Adrenaline rush, the Infiltrator can only get a 70% boost when firing from cloak. And, I believe, when using the Viper you can actually get off at least two, maybe three shots before the cloak breaks. At any rate, The Viper has a higher ammo reserve and is still a pretty decent gun. Certainly, you don't feel as tempted to switch weapons in the middle of a battle because you don't have to worry as much about running out of ammo; you can use the Viper on both mooks and bosses whereas you want to save the Widow for bosses.

Anyway, as I was saying, I was thinking about taking assault rifle training. Now without adrenaline rush the Vindicator is probably just as good, and maybe even slightly better than the Mattock because of its greater ammo reserve. BUT, for an infiltrator you get a bonus to damage when firing from cloak, AND, IIRC, it takes about a second from the time you start shooting before the cloaking ends. IIRC, that means every bullet shot during that 1 second window is getting a damage boost, so the more bullets shot during that window the better. And the GPR has got the highest RoF of any gun out there, particularly if you don't have adrenaline rush. So it seems to me the GPR might actually make a decent secondary weapon for an infiltrator.

Thoughts?

[capn233]

Viper's ROF is 240rpm, which is pretty drastically different than the Mattock's 750, at least with respect to click speed.

The other thing I want to point out is that you do not get time dilation from Cloak on the Infiltrator, it is from looking through a sniper scope, and this dilation is given by passive (Operative), not the Cloak power tree.

As far as which weapon better utilizes Cloak's damage window, the absolute number of shots is not completely relevant. What you need to compare is the total damage that you can do in that window and I imagine that Mattock probably bests GPR in that regard, at least if you could click very rapidly. Of course the whole issue with the Mattock is that it is difficult to reliably click 750 times per minute.

[cap and gown]

GPR = 16.66666 rounds in one second (not accounting for variability)
Mattock = 12.5 rounds in one second (assuming you can click that fast)

Now with the GPR there is no question you can get off 16 rounds in that one second window: just hold down the trigger.

With the Mattock it all depends on how fast you can pull the trigger (I am on xbox, so it is a pull, not a click, which is probably relevant). Four pulls is probably easy: .25 seconds. Eight pulls may be pushing it: .125 seconds. Ten pulls within a second does not seem possible. Let us say 6 pulls.

So GPR 16 x 20 = 320; Mattock 6 x 50 = 300. So GPR wins if you cannot get off 7 pulls within a second.

Edit: BTW, Viper is capable of 4 rounds per second which I guess you can get without time dilation. Still, you are getting 4 shots off while cloaked whereas with the Widow you only get one shot, so the Viper is not quite as disadvantaged as it might appear when just looking at raw damage numbers.

Further edit: Crap, I was using the ME3 damage number for the GPR. It should be 11, which comes to 16x11=176. So the Mattock is the clear winner even if you can only click/pull 4 times a second.

Modifié par cap and gown, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:40 .

[NekkidNones]

Forst1999 wrote...

It does drop sometimes in ME1 and is actually a bit different from the other weapons. Very precise, but you can put no mods on it.

That wasn't true for me.  The first few geth rifles that dropped on my last ME1 play through didn't have a spot to add mods, but I've gotten dozens that do.  May be tied to pinnacle station, but I've also gotten them in the field, with the slots for mods, from random drops.  Again, pretty sure it was post pinnacle, and new game+.


I hate the geth rifle in me2.  Feels like going out to soldier with a super soaker.  Its garbage on armour, and that's usually what can trip me up. (Damn scion's )

Modifié par MoonSpot, 21 décembre 2013 - 01:10 .

[RedCaesar97]

MoonSpot wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

It does drop sometimes in ME1 and is actually a bit different from the other weapons. Very precise, but you can put no mods on it.

That wasn't true for me.  The first few geth rifles that dropped on my last ME1 play through didn't have a spot to add mods, but I've gotten dozens that do.  May be tied to pinnacle station, but I've also gotten them in the field, with the slots for mods, from random drops.  Again, pretty sure it was post pinnacle, and new game+.

Pretty sure it is tied to Pinnacle Station. The actual Geth Pulse Rifle looks like it does in ME2 and ME3, but you can put no mods on it. The Pinnacle Station version of the Geth Pulse Rifle looks like an Avenger and has mod slots.

Not that it matters much. By the time it starts to drop, you should have more than enough cash to buy Spectre Weapons. And if you have Pinnacle Station, then you can get Spectre Weapons from your apartment terminal

[RanetheViking]

The Gerth Pulse Rifle? I only used it in ME2 a few times. I like the ammo capacity and rate of fire, but the lack of hitting power is what doesn't do it for me.

 

I took it into the Object Rho battle once to mess around with it (Soldier on Insanity) but after a few fails dropped the difficulty to Hardcore.  Never bothered with it again. 

 

In ME3MP though, it's really good on some kits. Like the Geth Engineer.

[Vazgen]

I did get GPR in ME1 without Pinnacle Station through random drops. I think it was New Game Plus though. IIRC I even had a few of them to give to the followers.

In ME2 I gave it to the followers. Preferred Avenger and Vindicator personally, Mattock was way too OP for my liking and GPR required too much time out of cover to be effective