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[Shinobu]

Modius Prime wrote...

It's cool that they made femshep and all, but it hardly, if ever, feels distinct, except for the obvious voices that are different for the male and female, respectively. If I play as a woman, there should be more gender-specific lines, or if I am male there should be lines that only apply to the male. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be equal; of course men and women should be equal in all art forms. My concern is that it wasn't a genuine enough of an experience. Most, if not all, of the lines were shared between both genders and it ruined the replay value as the opposite sex. I guess that's why femshep never makes it off of Eden Prime because I know that I'm going to get the same lines with almost all of the characters, except for only like 10 occurrences in the entire franchise. It's not that I identify better with male; it's that it wasn't worth playing and starting all over again as the other gender.

I really liked the lack of distinction in the game. It made FemShep seem like a no-nonsense Marine. The times when FemShep begins acting stereotypically feminine are really uncomfortable for me (e.g., just about every conversation she has with Jacob in ME2). I also like when the NPCs treat FemShep the same as maleShep. It's quite fulfilling as a female gamer to hear Grunt say: "Shepard is my BattleMaster -- She has no equal!"

For replay I'd suggest playing one gender as a Paragon and the other as a Renegade. Gender specific romance options also add a  lot of variety, though the ability to romance Miri hasn't yet gotten me to play as MaleShep.

[ThinkSharp]

I agree. I value the lack of distinctive lines.

These things usually feel forced, and they often open the door to bias.

Let's be honest here. What's the typical distinctive dialogue for a female character?

It's usually a exchange along the lines of "Hey! A hero woman?!" - "Yeah, and I can still kick your ass."
OK. OK. That gets old after a while. I may want to play a female character, who happens to be strong or a hero, but that doesn't mean I always want that character to "be one of the guys" or "more ballsy than the guys."

And, honestly, one thing I've loved about ME is that there was never this need to point out the gender of Shepard as either odd or extraordinary. Shepard is a hero. Plain and simple.

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 27 août 2013 - 08:39 .

[Captain Crash]

Agreed, FemShep is kind of awesome :happy:


Although not sure how anyone will compare in the next Mass Effect game, but im sure they will give it a good go

[RainbowDazed]

For real. renegade FemShep =

If I ever get married, it'll be with someone like her.

Modifié par RainbowDazed, 27 août 2013 - 11:28 .

[JamieCOTC]

Female Shepard was a great addition to ME and for me one of the biggest draws to the game. I can't put my figure on it, but playing her made me more invested in the game. BW has always offered a choice in gender from Baldur's Gate on, but as ME is more of an action game, femshep brought a freshness to that genre. As for the gender specific content, I personally got what I wanted out of ME3. The game recognized Shepard as female, but didn't obsess over that fact.

[EphemeralOne]

Modius Prime wrote...

It's cool that they made femshep and all, but it hardly, if ever, feels distinct, except for the obvious voices that are different for the male and female, respectively. If I play as a woman, there should be more gender-specific lines, or if I am male there should be lines that only apply to the male. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be equal; of course men and women should be equal in all art forms. My concern is that it wasn't a genuine enough of an experience. Most, if not all, of the lines were shared between both genders and it ruined the replay value as the opposite sex. I guess that's why femshep never makes it off of Eden Prime because I know that I'm going to get the same lines with almost all of the characters, except for only like 10 occurrences in the entire franchise. It's not that I identify better with male; it's that it wasn't worth playing and starting all over again as the other gender.

I, like others, must disagree with you about this being an issue. The fact that a female Shepard does not get treated particularly differently, or acts particularly differently to male Shep was one of the things that attracted me to the gameplay. 

This game is set in the future, and for the most part it appears as though gender is not the issue that we still clearly have in most militaries. The lack of distinction is nice. I, for one, get sick of dealing with subtle sexism in real life, one would hope that by this point in the future that a female marine doesn't have to deal with the same. 

I would also like examples as to how a female marine is supposed to speak differently compared with a male marine? I am genuinely curious because I really don't see how male Shep and female Shep should differ in their language? 

My only significant pet peeve is the fact that the body model is modelled to walk like Male Shep with male shep's proportions, and as a result, femshep often looks quite ungainly with her smaller proportions walking like she's as muscle-bound as male shep. I get that it would ramp up the costs and time, but it was a little off-putting. 

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On topic: a big part of the reason that I love Bioware games is the fact that Bioware don't make a big deal out of the fact that the hero of the story is actually a heroine. The rise in strong and realistic playable female characters who aren't obviously there just there to be eye candy is a refreshing change, and a big reason why a lot of female gamers are big fans of Bioware. 

It's not that we don't enjoy occasionally playing as male characters, but the fact that we now have the choice is incredibly important. 

[Jukaga]

I am a 34 year old male from Canada and pretty much play femshep 90% of the time. Love her attitude and Jen Hale's delivery. Femshep just is Shepard as far as I am concerned. I only play the occasional sheploo to do the Tali, Miranda and Jack romances.

[SilentK]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Female Shepard was a great addition to ME and for me one of the biggest draws to the game. I can't put my figure on it, but playing her made me more invested in the game. BW has always offered a choice in gender from Baldur's Gate on, but as ME is more of an action game, femshep brought a freshness to that genre. As for the gender specific content, I personally got what I wanted out of ME3. The game recognized Shepard as female, but didn't obsess over that fact.

Yes. FemShep is Shepard, just as BroShep is Shepard. No matter which one you choose to play it is Shepard's story. I would not have been happy to see her gender to be changing the game too much when it comes to fighting or problem solving. They got it just right for me so far. Love my FemShep.

[AllThatJazz]

Yep, FemShep is my favourite female protagonist by a long way. I get a huge amount of enjoyment from playing her, to the extent that my one attempt at BroShep remains on Eden Prime (in ME1 that is). Despite liking Mark Meer, I just can't play Mass Effect with a guy as my Shepard

Like others here, I also appreciate the fact that although her gender is recognised, no-one harps on about it or makes it something 'special' about her. Shepard (of either gender) gets to be special for what she/he can do, not because of or despite the contents of their underwear. Struck just the right balance for me

[Jukaga]

There is the one scene with the Batarian merc in Omega for Garrus' recruitment mission where he gives you a hard time, the renegade interrupt is pretty good there.

[EphemeralOne]

StreetMagic wrote...

Not a Femshep player, but I think a lot still applies to the female characters in general. Bioware gets some flack for oversexualized stereotypes (Miranda and EDI's appearances, for example) or some stuff with Asari, but for the most part, they make strong female characters. I can like Jack, Aria, and Tali just on personality alone.

Oh, Bioware still have a little way to go in terms of tweaking the residual inequalities inherent in the gaming community, but they are certainly much better than a lot of other major companies at the moment. 

I honestly was not too bothered by the whole design aspect of EDI and Miranda, what did put me off a little and really detracted from the story were the patently obvious Miranda butt shots! Honestly, I think they treated the issue much better with femshep/Kaidan romance where the camera pans to her watching his backside as he walks. In that situation it makes sense with the storytelling. She's admiring because she's in a relationship with him. With Miranda, it doesn't matter, we just get gratuitous arse-shots irrespective of whether your Shep is in a relationship with her. It really does detract from the game because it is ridiculously out of place, particularly cosidering the tone of the scenes and the series. 

Modifié par EphemeralOne, 30 août 2013 - 02:35 .

[Mello]

KnittyPitity wrote...

 I must first start by saying I am in no way part of your target demographic. I am a 29 year old woman living in Canada. I have played video games since I was 6 years old and I have loved them since I first stuck the cartridge into my NES in the spare bedroom in my parents house. 
I have loved video games and they have been a large part in my life. I create video game related projects with another passion of mine. Crafting images and figures with various mediums.
Strong female roles in video games were virtually non-existent (save a handful of characters) when I was growing up. An absence I took little notice of, as I was just playing video games. I have been fortunate in not encountering much gender bias through out my life and professional career. My father never expected any traditional role for me. I grew up playing sports, reading with him, cooking with him (my mother is terrible at cooking) and generally encouraged me to be myself before being his little girl. 
I am glad to see that you have created a character so many can look up to regardless who or what they identify as being. 
Now I'm not entirely sure this is the place to put this and please tell me if it was inappropriate to put it here. But I have to thank the entire team for making her. You treat her with respect and dignity. She is the equal to any hero in myth and legend. Thank you.

[KaiserShep]

Jukaga wrote...

There is the one scene with the Batarian merc in Omega for Garrus' recruitment mission where he gives you a hard time, the renegade interrupt is pretty good there.

I liked this bit. Another example is the interaction with the Turian that's sexually harassing the Asari working in the VIP room. This is a good example of applying some distinctions between a male and female Shepard without hammering on the point that this is a woman that can kill hundreds of mercs and monsters with just a pair of soldiers or the hardened riffraff of the galaxy.

As for the OP, I'm glad they went this route with building Shepard. I find femShep to be a more satisfying protagonist overall, thus is my "canon" Shep, though some of that has to do with my preference for Hale's voice acting.

[Dieb]

EphemeralOne wrote...
I honestly was not too bothered by the whole design aspect of EDI and Miranda, what did put me off a little and really detracted from the story were the patently obvious Miranda butt shots! Honestly, I think they treated the issue much better with femshep/Kaidan romance where the camera pans to her watching his backside as he walks. In that situation it makes sense with the storytelling. She's admiring because she's in a relationship with him. With Miranda, it doesn't matter, we just get gratuitous arse-shots irrespective of whether your Shep is in a relationship with her. It really does detract from the game because it is ridiculously out of place, particularly cosidering the tone of the scenes and the series.

As a heterosexual male player, who strongly believes female bodies are on par with democracy and freedom: Yup.

While in the real world admittedly everyone with the above stated attributes would try to get a good look at Miranda's backside during conversations whenever it's possible to do so undetected, the game doing that for me is just what you perfectly summed up in that highlighted sentence.