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I Certainly Don't Desire Bioware Dating Games.


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#101
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tiktac wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

MaraGriffyn wrote...

what :blink:


It's true. Bioware doesn't need to add bare breasts and genitals to prove that they're "mature" or "not in the 50s".


or idk they could show whatever they feel like showing because theres nothing inherently wrong with breasts and genitals and its not like it isnt already a rated m game so i say go for it 

as long as they still treat the characters respectfully i am all for nudity 


Stop being a prude and beating about the bush, go watch porn.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Threads complaining about how there are too many threads discussing a certain topic never fail to amuse me. Because inevitably it means the topic in question only ends up being discussed more.


Thread is complaining about constant requests. Not about the discussion of romances.

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Romance comes with making deep and interesting characters. If they are going to make characters believable then they are going to have them demonstrate emotions and they are going to want players to become interested in their stories.

You could marry characters in Skyrim too, though I never did or had any desire to do so, because characters in Skyrim are shallow and not developed. Romance is a small price to pay for having interesting well-developed characters. They wouldn't work any other way.

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AresKeith wrote...

I'm only trying to get an understanding of why some people would pay for a full game just for a small aspect of it, seems odd to me


Citation needed.

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tiktac wrote...

how dare people enjoy a thing

:lol: so true everytime I see a thread like this I have to roll my eyes.

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Navasha wrote...

Romance comes with making deep and interesting characters.

*sneezes*:pinched:

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I love the games, romances are just icing on an already delicious cake. I'd miss them if they were gone, but I'd still enjoy the game. Also no other developer seems to do romances Bioware style that resonates with a lot of fans in such a passionate manner they can't stop posting forum threads about it. Why the hell wouldn't they make romances, that's just silly.

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Don't romance the characters than, simple.

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I have trouble understanding how people think that romances in MOST BioWare games are deep or touching. Most of the time, they seem plastic and does not really improve the narrative in any way.

The only exception I can really think of is Bastila Shan in KOTOR1.

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Greylycantrope wrote...

Don't romance the characters than, simple.


But having options in the game that I don't take is a waste of resources! Didn't you know?

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

tiktac wrote...

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tiktac wrote...

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tiktac wrote...

well you did just assert that you think playing the game for the romance is creepy and makes them miss out on a fun experience as if theres a set definition of whats fun in a game so yeah


I said "slightly creepy" not full on creepy and maybe I should've reworded the second part to 'miss out on another fun experience than just the romance' <_<


and you continue to act like this is your business in any way shape or form


Umm, I'm not acting like it's any of my business. All I did was state my opinion about that


and my opinion is that you ought to stay out of other peoples personal preferences and not concern yourself so much with how other people enjoy their game 


Isn't that what you're doing though? Getting mad because there are other fans who don't like the romance options and feel the lins of dialouge and word budget spent on them could be used for other things?


uhh no? i didnt say a thing about that

i dont care much if yall think theyre a waste, thats your hangup, i care when yall act like everyone should stop enjoying them because you think theyre a waste or when yall insist theres something wrong with liking the game a certain way

I actually don't mind or quite like the romance options, but if Bioware intends to keep doing then atleast give them more depth instead of being what Saints Row 4 mimic'd perfectly lol

I'm only trying to get an understanding of why some people would pay for a full game just for a small aspect of it, seems odd to me


well generally if youre paying 60 bucks for a game you probably like the rest of it even if the romance is your favorite part. but even then, its their money, they can spend it however they like. 

Modifié par tiktac, 27 août 2013 - 09:26 .


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I don't mind romances all that much, but I wish they had more developed content, weren't just a series of conversations, and that not every companion I talk to wants me to get in their pants or else refuse to have anything new to say. It's very, I wouldn't say unrealistic due to magic, but more unbelievable, that the main character just happened to find a whole host of people looking to be more than friends on his or her journey.

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What can I say. BioWare is pretty darn good at making memorable characters, and romances are a very important part of that. It makes complete sense for the company to take full advantage of one of its strengths.

I certainly wouldn't worry about the next DA game becoming a dating simulator of some sort. You've probably played the previous two DA games (as well as ME games) and therefore should know that we're still light years away from actually playing a "romantic" game developed by BioWare.

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Bionuts wrote...
I truly hope there never is a Bioware game that pays too much attention there. There are dating games out there. I'm sure of it...


It's like saying:

I really hope GTA doesn't pay too much attention to shooter elements and car physics. There is need for speed and call of duty for that. 

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I've seen a fair number of threads asking (or demanding) that romance should have a serious effect on the plot.

That's definitely something BioWare ought to stay away from.

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Area is being reasonable.

I like the romances fine, some more than others. That's my opinion.

Some people focus on the romances. It can be distracting from other elements. I agree with that.

I think the amount of effort and resources in Bioware romances is fine.  If they made a game where romantic themes had a central role, it would not be in bad taste to focus on romances.  But what game would that be?

Modifié par Alocormin, 27 août 2013 - 09:40 .


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To me the romance options are what really make bioware games unquie compared to other rpg's. I don't think anyone has done it as well (that I've seen) and I hope they continue to add more content for it, as it is no where near taking over the whole game. There's still way more action and story than relationship content.

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I wouldn't mind a Bioware game with no romances, as long as we can build different types of relationship with our companions. In DAO I enjoyed the comradery between my Warden and Sten/Alistair/Oghren, and in DA2 I liked the relationship that my Hawke had with Aveline and Varric better than the romances (ironically, I felt those two more like my Hawke's family than his real family).

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AresKeith wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

tiktac wrote...

and my opinion is that you ought to stay out of other peoples personal preferences and not concern yourself so much with how other people enjoy their game 


Isn't that what you're doing though? Getting mad because there are other fans who don't like the romance options and feel the lins of dialouge and word budget spent on them could be used for other things?


I actually don't mind or quite like the romance options, but if Bioware intends to keep doing then atleast give them more depth instead of being what Saints Row 4 mimic'd perfectly lol

I'm only trying to get an understanding of why some people would pay for a full game just for a small aspect of it, seems odd to me


That was the first thing to cross my mind playing SR4. "Hey Kinzie wanna ****?" *omg its BSN...*

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Who here has even played a dating sim?

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*Sigh*

I come back after two whole weeks, and David uploaded an avi of a character I utterly despise?

Even more reason to hate him tbh.

On topic, blasfkjlsgklajhgfkhasEGT the romance system in-game is fine, and I don't think they should turn it into the "Sims".

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

and that not every companion I talk to wants me to get in their pants or else refuse to have anything new to say.


Only 3 potentially do in DAO and only 4 potentially do in DA2, and you almost always have to flirt with them first before they express interest. So, um, yeah, okay.

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Bionuts wrote...

I see a lot of sexy, naked, hugging, twirling, kissing threads, etc. And while all of that is good and dandy... I truly hope there never is a Bioware game that pays too much attention there. There are dating games out there. I'm sure of it...

+1

It would be refreshing to see RPG game without any possibility for romances and make it so that one wouldn't even miss those. It can be done for sure, that would be refreshing.

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Ok, for those of you who simply share an opinion that you don't need nudity (neither do I), this isn't aimed at you. There are people that are agressively caustic to those of us who point out its benefits, though, and that's apparently why this thread exists. So this is aimed at them.

Enjoy your popcorn. Image IPB This is my only post for the thread.

Bionuts wrote...

It's true. Bioware doesn't need to add bare breasts and genitals to prove that they're "mature" or "not in the 50s".


Sooo.. Basically you're saying you're afraid of nudity and are just fine with conservatism deciding what we can and can't enjoy or find engaging or evocative or provacative or otherwise entertaining and worthwhile? You like your bland entertainment just fine, thanks? You're afraid someone will think you're weird if they see a pixelated breast on your screen? Or does that go for film too? Don't know why anybody would waste their time going to arthouse cinema or what the fuss is over all this classical artwork? You don't like to think about all those pesky social issues? You just feel awkward when you see somebody mention the subject and you don't know why?

No? Ok, fine. You have nothing to worry about from BioWare in the immediate future. Don't worry. They've apparently got your back.

In the meantime, I hope they do spend the necessary resources to make the romances more effective and worthwhile for those of us who'd rather not be stuck with a shallow experience. Romance is important to a lot of our enjoyment of BioWare's games. It's central to some of our characters' stories and we might feel that it provides personal motivation and urgency. Those of us that enjoy that aspect, or even prioritize it as an important part of the experience, not to the exclusion of the whole, but in part, might want to improve on it such that it maintains and enhances the overall experience. It doesn't do anybody any good for the romances to become more tedius and trivial, to the point that they detract from the game rather than enhance it. And why you wouldn't improve on an important aspect of a game that could certainly do with massive improvement, I don't know.

Sorry to get terse, but you made a whole thread to condescend to a lot of people and generally show your irrational discomfort with the actual discussions some of us occasionally have here. When somebody makes an arguement in favor of this for whatever reason is outlined in the post, it's a good idea to take it at face value, because it might actually be coming from somewhere real, as opposed to just assuming 'that's bad' because somebody told you 'that's bad' somewhere along the way, and it makes you uncomfortable because of it. Nothing personal, but I've seen a lot of dismissiveness from people on your side of the arguement here. If somebody tells you why something's mature, you ("you" meaning the number of people who engage in this behaviour here) go all "mature". If somebody tells you why it's socially important (i.e.: There are people out there who think like you for the reasons you do and worse, and there are negative societal repercussions because of that.), you dismiss that too. If somebody tells you how it can add to the emotional weight and gravitas of a scene, you dismiss that on the grounds that you personally don't need to feel any more than you're already comfortable with, thank you very much. If somebody lays out the symbology and the instant psychological impact the use of nudity in different contexts brings to a scenario, you dismiss that too. Always with a derisive tone. No thought.

So, try to think outside your own frame of reference a little bit. Stop reading into everything said and replacing the meaning with your own personal bias just to prop up your position.

Ok, made my point. Enjoy the thread. Image IPB

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KainD wrote...

It's like saying:

I really hope GTA doesn't pay too much attention to shooter elements and car physics. There is need for speed and call of duty for that. 


No it is not, there is no BioWare game in which "romances" are an intrinsic part of the game, those elements, instead are intrinsical to those games. I'll bet you can play any BioWare game without having yo partake in any "romance". 

Truly, I wonder what would happen if there was a BioWare game without romances?