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[Navasha]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...


No it is not, there is no BioWare game in which "romances" are an intrinsic part of the game, those elements, instead are intrinsical to those games. I'll bet you can play any BioWare game without having yo partake in any "romance". 

Truly, I wonder what would happen if there was a BioWare game without romances?

Well, you remember the outburst of rage at the ME3 ending?   It would be 10X worse.

[Sylvianus]

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2013 - 09:47 .

[AresKeith]

Sylvianus wrote...

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

That's the part I find odd, I get liking romance in the game to add to your character

But not buying a game just because of it?

[Sylvianus]

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

That's the part I find odd, I get liking romance in the game to add to your character

But not buying a game just because of it?

I find it odd too. I never liked or disliked a game just because of one feature. I do however understand the rage because of something removed and you loved. I was upset when Bioware removed customization in DA2 ( that's not accurate, but for me compared to DAo, it's exactly what they did..  )

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2013 - 09:53 .

[MaraGriffyn]

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

That's the part I find odd, I get liking romance in the game to add to your character

But not buying a game just because of it?

Removing an aspect of the games that I particularly enjoy would make me seriously reconsider purchasing them in the future. That's not at all the same thing as "I only buy these games for the romance".

And even if it was, why do you care?

[AppealToReason]

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

That's the part I find odd, I get liking romance in the game to add to your character

But not buying a game just because of it?

People are absurd.

[TTtheTremendous]

The reason that I and many others enjoy Bioware romances are because of the deeper involvement and meaning it can give to the events in the game. Think of how much more invested the player feels at the climax decisions for DAO if they have a romance with Alistair or Morrigan, same with DAII with Anders or Isabela in the climax of the 3rd or 2nd Act. Personally I hope they will continue to include romances with even deeper connections to the plot. I doubt that would happen, but even if a romance doesn't have strong content, or consequences on the main plot, it still adds RP material that makes the game more enjoyable. It is an RPG after all. 

I think that's the reason why the Dragon Age team includes and will continue to include romances in their RPGs. Considering the "romances" in other games I've seen, they pull it off very well. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Navasha wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...


No it is not, there is no BioWare game in which "romances" are an intrinsic part of the game, those elements, instead are intrinsical to those games. I'll bet you can play any BioWare game without having yo partake in any "romance". 

Truly, I wonder what would happen if there was a BioWare game without romances?

Well, you remember the outburst of rage at the ME3 ending?   It would be 10X worse.

And 10x more hilarious to behold on the forums. Free entertainment for months.

[Cainhurst Crow]

MaraGriffyn wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

That's the part I find odd, I get liking romance in the game to add to your character

But not buying a game just because of it?

Removing an aspect of the games that I particularly enjoy would make me seriously reconsider purchasing them in the future. That's not at all the same thing as "I only buy these games for the romance".

And even if it was, why do you care?

You had me coming over to your side, and than you just had to go and ruin it, didn't you?

[MaraGriffyn]

I won't be able to sleep at night, knowing Darth Brotarian won't be "coming over to [my] side".

[Cainhurst Crow]

You ever think that people take "Don't give romances a major part in the story" as "Destroy all romances"?

[Cainhurst Crow]

MaraGriffyn wrote...

I won't be able to sleep at night, knowing Darth Brotarian won't be "coming over to [my] side".

Wow. The levels of serious business in this thread are intense.

[AresKeith]

MaraGriffyn wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I remember a topic asking what will be your reaction if Bioware removes the romance :

There were many : ' I won't buy their game anymore. "

Don't know if they were serious or not, but that might help you to figure out the rage if they do it.

That's the part I find odd, I get liking romance in the game to add to your character

But not buying a game just because of it?

Removing an aspect of the games that I particularly enjoy would make me seriously reconsider purchasing them in the future. That's not at all the same thing as "I only buy these games for the romance".

And even if it was, why do you care?

Implying that I care, which I really don't

I understand reconsidering a purchase because they removed an aspect that you liked

[Liyros]

Russalka wrote...

Who here has even played a dating sim?

I have. (Starry Sky, RE Alistair++, etc.)  They're alright.  There isn't really enough context for why they're relationship is forming or the setting is something mundane like high school.  Maybe part of the issue is dating games are more of a thing in Japan and most of those titles don't get an official translation.  Or maybe I'm doing this wrong, I don't know.

At least in rpg and shooter video games there is more of a basis of "we went on an adventure together and lovey dovey stuff happened."  I personally prefer games like DA or Persona where the romance is a part of the many facets of gameplay for the title.  I think it makes the experience richer.

[Endurium]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

KainD wrote...

It's like saying:

I really hope GTA doesn't pay too much attention to shooter elements and car physics. There is need for speed and call of duty for that. 

No it is not, there is no BioWare game in which "romances" are an intrinsic part of the game, those elements, instead are intrinsical to those games. I'll bet you can play any BioWare game without having yo partake in any "romance". 

Truly, I wonder what would happen if there was a BioWare game without romances?

Baldur's Gate didn't have romance as a game feature. Players tended to develop feelings toward certain companions, though.

[Bionuts]

cindercatz wrote...

Sooo.. Basically you're saying you're afraid of nudity and are just fine with conservatism deciding what we can and can't enjoy or find engaging or evocative or provacative or otherwise entertaining and worthwhile? You like your bland entertainment just fine, thanks? You're afraid someone will think you're weird if they see a pixelated breast on your screen? Or does that go for film too? Don't know why anybody would waste their time going to arthouse cinema or what the fuss is over all this classical artwork? You don't like to think about all those pesky social issues? You just feel awkward when you see somebody mention the subject and you don't know why?

I don't mind nudity. I'm saying that if Bioware chooses not to go in that direction it's not because a lack of "maturity" or being stuck in the past.

No? Ok, fine. You have nothing to worry about from BioWare in the immediate future. Don't worry. They've apparently got your back.

In the meantime, I hope they do spend the necessary resources to make the romances more effective and worthwhile for those of us who'd rather not be stuck with a shallow experience. Romance is important to a lot of our enjoyment of BioWare's games. It's central to some of our characters' stories and we might feel that it provides personal motivation and urgency. Those of us that enjoy that aspect, or even prioritize it as an important part of the experience, not to the exclusion of the whole, but in part, might want to improve on it such that it maintains and enhances the overall experience. It doesn't do anybody any good for the romances to become more tedius and trivial, to the point that they detract from the game rather than enhance it. And why you wouldn't improve on an important aspect of a game that could certainly do with massive improvement, I don't know.

I enjoy the romances in their games, for what they are. I do not support them putting too much time in one thing, though. DA is not a dating game that they need spend too much time detailing relationships when there are other things needing improvement on.

Sorry to get terse, but you made a whole thread to condescend to a lot of people and generally show your irrational discomfort with the actual discussions some of us occasionally have here. When somebody makes an arguement in favor of this for whatever reason is outlined in the post, it's a good idea to take it at face value, because it might actually be coming from somewhere real, as opposed to just assuming 'that's bad' because somebody told you 'that's bad' somewhere along the way, and it makes you uncomfortable because of it. Nothing personal, but I've seen a lot of dismissiveness from people on your side of the arguement here. If somebody tells you why something's mature, you ("you" meaning the number of people who engage in this behaviour here) go all "mature". If somebody tells you why it's socially important (i.e.: There are people out there who think like you for the reasons you do and worse, and there are negative societal repercussions because of that.), you dismiss that too. If somebody tells you how it can add to the emotional weight and gravitas of a scene, you dismiss that on the grounds that you personally don't need to feel any more than you're already comfortable with, thank you very much. If somebody lays out the symbology and the instant psychological impact the use of nudity in different contexts brings to a scenario, you dismiss that too. Always with a derisive tone. No thought.

Nudity doesn't bother me, and my opinions concerning social situations, morals, etc., are so far out of what is actually accepted. Doesn't really matter to me.

So, try to think outside your own frame of reference a little bit. Stop reading into everything said and replacing the meaning with your own personal bias just to prop up your position.

There is no meaning. I'm saying that I do not wish for Bioware games to pay too much attention to relationships that it becomes a dating game or a hugfest.

Ok, made my point. Enjoy the thread.

[MaraGriffyn]

AresKeith wrote...

Implying that I care, which I really don't

Then why have you taken the trouble to concoct this "mystery"? People can buy video games or not buy video games for whatever reason they choose. No one owes you an explanation.

[AutumnWitch]

I'd purchase a BW game of that calibre in a heart beat esp if it takes place in DA universe. And all of the updates. DLC and special stuff. No one has actually done something like a social game in a world like DA, I think it would be HUGE esp if they use some (not all) of the same writers. Money waiting to be spent BW...hint hint

[AresKeith]

Saslic wrote...

At least in rpg and shooter video games there is more of a basis of "we went on an adventure together and lovey dovey stuff happened."  I personally prefer games like DA or Persona where the romance is a part of the many facets of gameplay for the title.  I think it makes the experience richer.

I agree

[PlasmaCheese]

DAO is the first game I ever played where I could "romance" people. Like, actually choose from various people and form a relationship. I didn't know it was an actual feature until halfway through my first playthrough. I wanted Sten, and had to settle for Alistair lol. It's something that definitely enhances the game, and it totally just wow. Blew my mind. However, I didn't think the lack of romance in Awakening made it any "less". I loved Awakening, and my Warden had Al. But damn, I wish we could've got Nate and Anders.. *_*

[AresKeith]

MaraGriffyn wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Implying that I care, which I really don't

Then why have you taken the trouble to concoct this "mystery"? People can buy video games or not buy video games for whatever reason they choose. No one owes you an explanation.

And your level of hostility over a simple opinion and question is unneeded 

[Splinter Cell 108]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Well, you remember the outburst of rage at the ME3 ending?   It would be 10X worse.

And 10x more hilarious to behold on the forums. Free entertainment for months.

Honestly, I knew that a lot of the anger was because people didn't get the "romance" ending or whatever. Personally I didn't like the ending either, but not because Liara and Shepard didn't live happily ever after or any of that nonsense, nor because it wasn't a happy ending. 

However, even with all that's happened at BioWare, I'd have to say that a backlash of that size over simple sub-plots which aren't even that great would be completely ridiculous IMO. 

[Neon Rising Winter]

So, let me venture gingerly out into the realm of serious comments, although I'm using this here popcorn as a shield (plain salted +5 flame resistance).

No one wants a dating sim. Many people want a bit of romance in the narrative. Broadly it's all been okay up until now. There isn't much danger of the next game changing into either a Japanese dating sim or celibates anonymous. In the extremely unlikely event it did either of these people who did not appreciate this change would not buy it. I'm genuinely baffled as to the argument.