AlanC9 wrote...
Sure. I wouldn't mind a super EC that added even content to all four endings -- I'd like to see everyone get brutally killed in Refuse, find out what Synthesis feels like for the organics, and make the first few desicions as the Sheplyst. But I guess either the economics didn't work, or Bio had just had enough of working with the endings.
AlanC9 wrote...
@ iakus: tend to see things differently... how, exactly? I'd ask "why" but it's obviously not a reasoned thing.
AlanC9 wrote...
But in the case of a cutscene, the car is parked. Even if I parked the car myself, I'm still just sitting there.
Modifié par adayaday, 30 août 2013 - 11:24 .
I did bring it up pre EC. Post EC we got the memorial scene, another thing in the same vein.AlanC9 wrote...
Reorte wrote...
The intention is obvious but, like just about everything else ending-related, doesn't actually make any sense. Taken at face value they tell you absolutely nothing, and therefore remain unsatisfying. And as has been pointed out several times if the intention is obvious why not just go ahead and show it anyway?
By "taken at face value," you mean that VG scenes aren't to be interpreted the way identical scenes would be interpreted in movies or TV shows, right? It's conceivable; though I'm not quite sure why that would be. Anyway, I imagine Bio won't try this style of presentation again; the main lession of ME3 seems to be that you'd better go the Oliver Stone route and pound your intended meaning into the head of every single player.
And again, the time to bring up that the breath clip wasn't doing its job was pre-EC.
Not leaving me pissed off is a good start.The problem with the endings you know all too well, and that if there's emotional satisfaction it's easier to overlook them. Without any emotional satisfaction it has to fall back on quality of writing and so on and it's not got that either.
If you like, but then we have to define where emotional satisfaction comes from.
Modifié par Reorte, 30 août 2013 - 11:52 .
Shepard's surprise is warranted. What does Sovereign using the Citadel Relay to bring in the Reaper invasion, have to do with the civilizations of the galaxy turning it against the Reapers and using it to disperse the energy of the Crucible?LixiLane wrote...
My problem is not with the endings it is with the crucible. I always found it funny that shep was so surprised that the citadel was involved given that in me1 it was sovereign's intention to activate the citadel and bring on the reaper invasion.
Reorte wrote...
Not leaving me pissed off is a good start.The problem with the endings you know all too well, and that if there's emotional satisfaction it's easier to overlook them. Without any emotional satisfaction it has to fall back on quality of writing and so on and it's not got that either.
If you like, but then we have to define where emotional satisfaction comes from.
AlanC9 wrote...
iakus wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
... VG scenes aren't to be interpreted the way identical scenes would be interpreted in movies or TV shows, right? It's conceivable; though I'm not quite sure why that would be.
Because it's a different medium?
Different how? ...
Not that that's on you, but is there a workable theory kicking around about how VG interpretation and TV interpretation are different and should be different?
BioWare's Dusty Everman (pointed out) that it wasn't just character closure, but the tone of the ending that annoyed some players. "I've learned that a bitter-sweet ending is much easier to watch in a movie, than experience in a long RPG where the player is very invested in the protagonist," he said
Modifié par Renmiri1, 31 août 2013 - 05:01 .
Casey Hudson wrote...
"An example of this is the Citadel DLC, which has hours of pure character interaction - hanging out at a party, chatting at a bar, etc. We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will be built into our future games."
Modifié par lastpatriot, 31 août 2013 - 02:42 .
lastpatriot wrote...
Casey Hudson wrote...
"An example of this is the Citadel DLC, which has hours of pure character interaction - hanging out at a party, chatting at a bar, etc. We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will be built into our future games."
Although I was really upset at what Mr. Hudson did to the ending of ME:3, it brings me great confidence in BioWare that (1) they can admit that they understimated the love fans have for the characters of these games and (2) that they will not make this mistake again. His comments on the Citadel DLC are 100% right on and is why it was my favorite DLC of all. We are so energetic about these games because over the years, we've come to love the story and how they have affected our lives. Think about it, outside of Darth Vador, is there any fictional character that has so much name recognition as Commander Shepard?
Anyways, if the MEHEM mod has shown anything it is that we, as the fans, really do care about the characters of these games.
Tron Mega wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Sure. I wouldn't mind a super EC that added even content to all four endings -- I'd like to see everyone get brutally killed in Refuse, find out what Synthesis feels like for the organics, and make the first few desicions as the Sheplyst. But I guess either the economics didn't work, or Bio had just had enough of working with the endings.
incapable is the word your looking for.
Modifié par alliance commander, 31 août 2013 - 03:55 .
lastpatriot wrote...
Casey Hudson wrote...
"An example of this is the Citadel DLC, which has hours of pure character interaction - hanging out at a party, chatting at a bar, etc. We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will be built into our future games."
Although I was really upset at what Mr. Hudson did to the ending of ME:3, it brings me great confidence in BioWare that (1) they can admit that they understimated the love fans have for the characters of these games and (2) that they will not make this mistake again. His comments on the Citadel DLC are 100% right on and is why it was my favorite DLC of all. We are so energetic about these games because over the years, we've come to love the story and how they have affected our lives. Think about it, outside of Darth Vador, is there any fictional character that has so much name recognition as Commander Shepard?
Anyways, if the MEHEM mod has shown anything it is that we, as the fans, really do care about the characters of these games.
Reorte wrote...
I did bring it up pre EC. Post EC we got the memorial scene, another thing in the same vein.
"It's significant only because it's in there and not because of what it actually shows" is a failure in my book. As a result it gets the message across but, because you have to think outside the game to receive that message (even if it's so obvious that you do that subconciously) it fails to satisfy, at least for me.
iakus wrote...
lastpatriot wrote...
Casey Hudson wrote...
"An example of this is the Citadel DLC, which has hours of pure character interaction - hanging out at a party, chatting at a bar, etc. We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will be built into our future games."
Although I was really upset at what Mr. Hudson did to the ending of ME:3, it brings me great confidence in BioWare that (1) they can admit that they understimated the love fans have for the characters of these games and (2) that they will not make this mistake again. His comments on the Citadel DLC are 100% right on and is why it was my favorite DLC of all. We are so energetic about these games because over the years, we've come to love the story and how they have affected our lives. Think about it, outside of Darth Vador, is there any fictional character that has so much name recognition as Commander Shepard?
Anyways, if the MEHEM mod has shown anything it is that we, as the fans, really do care about the characters of these games.
Just remember he also said this back in 2011, back before the game was released:
“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it.
That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world
worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the
Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just
take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”
So yeah. Take everything said with a hefty grain of salt.
iakus wrote...
lastpatriot wrote...
Casey Hudson wrote...
"An example of this is the Citadel DLC, which has hours of pure character interaction - hanging out at a party, chatting at a bar, etc. We'd never have imagined that as we ended the trilogy, all people would want to do was spend more time with the characters, sort of bathing in the afterglow - getting closure and just having some time to live in the universe that they fought to save. This, and many other learnings, will be built into our future games."
Although I was really upset at what Mr. Hudson did to the ending of ME:3, it brings me great confidence in BioWare that (1) they can admit that they understimated the love fans have for the characters of these games and (2) that they will not make this mistake again. His comments on the Citadel DLC are 100% right on and is why it was my favorite DLC of all. We are so energetic about these games because over the years, we've come to love the story and how they have affected our lives. Think about it, outside of Darth Vador, is there any fictional character that has so much name recognition as Commander Shepard?
Anyways, if the MEHEM mod has shown anything it is that we, as the fans, really do care about the characters of these games.
Just remember he also said this back in 2011, back before the game was released:
“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it.
That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world
worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the
Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just
take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”
So yeah. Take everything said with a hefty grain of salt.
Modifié par Eterna5, 31 août 2013 - 04:07 .
AlanC9 wrote...
Meaning that it fails to give you emotional satisfaction even though you intellectually know that Shepard is alive at the end?
Modifié par iakus, 31 août 2013 - 04:13 .
credit enough to spend some 10.000 on upload fees, pay a number of voice actors to come back and record more scenes, pay for the work force not to mention put every other DLC on the backburner (and still making it all fall kinda flat) and release the result for free.Eterna5 wrote...
lastpatriot wrote...
Perhaps this is why DA:I has been delayed?
No. You give your petty uprising too much credit.
Renmiri1 wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Different how? ...
Not that that's on you, but is there a workable theory kicking around about how VG interpretation and TV interpretation are different and should be different?
Cracks knuckles... How is TV Movie different than VG ?
Cost:
TV: Free (comes with your TV license or your subscription to a cable company but the movie itself is a fraction of the cost)
VG: $60+
Time invested (time spent getting to end):
TV: 2-3 hours watching it
VG: 100+ hours playing it
Waiting time between chapters:
TV: 1 week to 8 months (on 90% of the movies / series episode)
VG: 1 year to 5 years
Do I have to continue or have you realized you are comparing falling from a bike with falling from a plane ?
VG cost is 3,000% or more than TV movies cost to the viewer. Time invested - time spent getting to see the movie end - in tv is less than 3% the time invested on a video game. Time spent waiting for the movie and a game is a bit more on the same scale but video games STILL demands 5 x more waiting, at least!
You don't like a movie you just lost 2 hours, you don't like a game you lost 100+ hours, $60 and 1-2 years of anticipation.
Is that so hard to understand ?
No it is not, even Bioware understood it.
http://www.shacknews...into-our-futureBioWare's Dusty Everman (pointed out) that it wasn't just character closure, but the tone of the ending that annoyed some players. "I've learned that a bitter-sweet ending is much easier to watch in a movie, than experience in a long RPG where the player is very invested in the protagonist," he said
that is an unfair statement within the context of the lovely troll statement we got at last year's comicon don't you think, especially if one does not have any other inside infoEterna5 wrote...
iakus wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Meaning that it fails to give you emotional satisfaction even though you intellectually know that Shepard is alive at the end?
Mass Effect was meant ot be entertainment, not a homework assignment.<_<
poor Iakus. It must have taken oodles of your brain power to understand that a sharp intake of breath implies life.
lastpatriot wrote...
Yeah, that's true but with the massive backlash they got and all the stories on various news outlets, I'm leaning towards think that this time around, they really have learned a lesson. Perhaps this is why DA:I has been delayed?
crimzontearz wrote...
that is an unfair statement within the context of the lovely troll statement we got at last year's comicon don't you think, especially if one does not have any other inside info
my rebuke was not about your contradiction of his statement (with which I agree) but about your dismissive attitude as per how much the backlash costed to BiowareEterna5 wrote...
iakus wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Meaning that it fails to give you emotional satisfaction even though you intellectually know that Shepard is alive at the end?
Mass Effect was meant ot be entertainment, not a homework assignment.<_<
poor Iakus. It must have taken oodles of your brain power to understand that a sharp intake of breath implies life.credit enough to spend some 10.000 on upload fees, pay a number of voice actors to come back and record more scenes, pay for the work force not to mention put every other DLC on the backburner (and still making it all fall kinda flat) and release the result for free.
You think they want to repeat that? Not likely.
Yep. DA:I was delayed because Bioware wants to make sure not to upset your tender irrational feelings by making an ending you may not like.
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