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[Stalker]

Wrex?... Cerberus?
There is so much Cerberus ****ING EVERYWHERE, I bet ambitious followers of all games, books and comics know when the Cerberus agents take a dump. Isn't there like everything known about every single operation and character already? Why put so much focus on something that has been explored back and fourth over and over again?

[AresKeith]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Wrex?... Cerberus?
There is so much Cerberus ****ING EVERYWHERE, I bet ambitious followers of all games, books and comics know when the Cerberus agents take a dump. Isn't there like everything known about every single operation and character already? Why put so much focus on something that has been explored back and fourth over and over again?

Because Cerberus is the Illuminati according to Walters

[Iakus]

AresKeith wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Wrex?... Cerberus?
There is so much Cerberus ****ING EVERYWHERE, I bet ambitious followers of all games, books and comics know when the Cerberus agents take a dump. Isn't there like everything known about every single operation and character already? Why put so much focus on something that has been explored back and fourth over and over again?

Because Cerberus is the Illuminati according to Walters

Wait, he really said that?

My comparison was just a joke!

[AresKeith]

iakus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Wrex?... Cerberus?
There is so much Cerberus ****ING EVERYWHERE, I bet ambitious followers of all games, books and comics know when the Cerberus agents take a dump. Isn't there like everything known about every single operation and character already? Why put so much focus on something that has been explored back and fourth over and over again?

Because Cerberus is the Illuminati according to Walters

Wait, he really said that?

My comparison was just a joke!

I mean by the way he's writing them lol

[Linkenski]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

Ugh, this is really pissing me off. Why is the lead writer in charge of such a big franchise so god damn untaltented!?

He does have talent, characters are just more his strong suit than plot. Tying the story together and character motivations tend to be a bit hamfisted, though.

I don't even think he's much of a character writer after ME3 though. Anderson, TIM and Hackett were all just throwing platitudes at Shepard the whole time. Even James who had funny lines once in a while also had some really awkward dialogue or for example that scene in the Citadel DLC when you invite him up and Shepard asks "have you come to trash the place?" and James throws a sarcastic "No of course not":police: and Shepard rolls his eyes<_<. That was really cringeworthy and awkward, or when he says "What, what's so funny?" on the normandy completely out of context. Anderson was really out of character imo, and TIM...  oh god, he was just degraded into a rambling, narrow-minded fool. His lines were not nearly as sharp as in ME2 where I think Drew Karpyshyn lend Walters a hand, considering how well Karpy portrays him in Mass Effect Retribution 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Wouldn't go that far, I'm not sure if Walters is solely responsible for TIM Anderson or Hackett to be honest, and their lacking character can be largely traced back to the plot, TIM getting indoctrinated, and the Alliance being your connection to how the Reapers are kicking our asses and you should keep doing what you're doing regardless, they weren't out of character the characters were just misused by being placed in situations that didn't really allow for too many character moments. I know he was responsible for Conrad Verner and Garrus who were solid characters.

[mupp3tz]

Cerberus is cool and all as an extreme humanist group, but not when everything becomes "Oh noes. Cerby strikes again!" Maybe he's just the type who works better when collaborating with other writers or overseeing non-major characters vs. being the lead.

[MegaSovereign]

I'd have to read it myself before judging. The novels about Cerberus (Ascension and Retribution) were pretty awesome.

Though I'll admit that the Brooks/Wrex premise doesn't allow for a promising 1st impression.

[Guanxii]

To be honest i'm pretty livid with this given this might be Wrex's very last appearance in Mass Effect fictional canon. It's beyond terribad. I can't believe Walter's not only did this to his own character but put his name to it.

Instead of being a fitting homage and a final send off to Wrex; a beloved character who helped define entire the series; we get yet another boring & irrelevant cerberus b-plot about some nobody from a dlc (jesus, one comic is enough already!) with a Wrex cameo in his own story. It's beyond the pale.

Given the circumstances everbody and his damn mother interested in this comic wanted to see one thing, only; if it was obvious that a Garrus comic should be about his Archangel days to my mind Wrex's comic should clearly have been about his encounter with Aria during his merc days (don't give me that jazz) - that would have been one for the ages - It could have offered great insight into his two marque characters.

Instead we get this absolute garbage; the story goes absolutely nowhere; adding nothing to either the plot of the first game or his character whatsoever... it completely failed on so many technical levels - the writing and drawing continues to be particularly awful in foundation.

I thought Invasion was the turning point for the comic series: it showed to me that Walters can write great decent entries, although clearly the Garrus and Tali homeworld comics were on another level entirely thanks to the involvement of Weekes and Dombrow; who are clearly in another league.

I really don't think Foundation is going to make it to 13 issues at this rate. It's bad fan fiction and extremely poor value for money for what it is.

Modifié par Guanxii, 29 août 2013 - 12:32 .

[MegaSovereign]

Yes, it would be depressingly bad if Wrex ended up as a mere cameo in his own comic.

[Icinix]

So..what your'e saying is...

If we keep heading down this path...Cerberus invented the Reapers...and have been around...for .... elleventy billion years?

[Iakus]

Icinix wrote...

So..what your'e saying is...

If we keep heading down this path...Cerberus invented the Reapers...and have been around...for .... elleventy billion years?

Secret Cerberus project:  The Flux Capacitor.

[MisterJB]

Why would I want to read ten or so comics about Brooks? I'm just going to end up shooting her in the back anyway.
This is...incomprehensible. A one note character present in a single DLC is being given an entire comic book series? Just...why?

[MisterJB]

Steelcan wrote...

I imagine that this series will continue with Brooks being everywhere important and will eventually culminate in her departure from Cerberus when they become "lolzindoctrinated"

Because, you know, that's the bleeding story that the fans really wanted to be told. The Krogan Rebellions or Wrex killing his father? How Miranda escaped from her own or what she did during ME3? Life at Jump Zero?
Nay, f*ck that. WE NEED MORE BROOKS !

[Iakus]

MisterJB wrote...

Why would I want to read ten or so comics about Brooks? I'm just going to end up shooting her in the back anyway.
This is...incomprehensible. A one note character present in a single DLC is being given an entire comic book series? Just...why?

It's like ME3 itself:

It doesn't matter what we want.  All that matters is the story they want to tell. 

[Linkenski]

I think the "us vs. them" thing is immature. That's not the issue.

Telling stories is also about connecting with your audience, so why would Walters want to tell us story after story about the same things if no one wants to hear about it? It doesn't matter what "they" want to tell us if their audience stops listening and that's eventually gonna happen if we don't like their stories. That's the reason why they should always listen to feedback but I don't want them to just do everything we want.

Besides it's different with the games. In ME3 the problem was a lack of player agency, and that's as much the whole team's fault as it was the writers. They know it's an issue so they're probably gonna do better from now on or they're gonna stop over-promising things that aren't possible for them to reach.

Modifié par Linkenski, 29 août 2013 - 01:49 .

[aTrueFool]

Guanxii wrote...

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I thought Invasion was the turning point for the comic series: it showed to me that Walters can write great decent entries, although clearly the Garrus and Tali homeworld comics were on another level entirely thanks to the involvement of Weekes and Dombrow; who are clearly in another league.

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Walters wasn't as involved in Invasion as the first two series. John Jackson Miller wrote the plot for Invasion from general guidelines Walters gave him.

[B.Shep]

I liked the issue, it was fun seeing Wrex destroying everyone along the way.


It's also funny see people who didn't even read it criticizing....this place never changes...

[N7 Shadow 90]

Just read it and thoroughly enjoyed it!
- Wrex was just as awesome as ever
- Nice character tie-ins
- Relationship between Kai Leng and Brooks/Rasa has been well established. Interested to see where it's gonna go.

To anyone who hasn't yet read it:
Don't be put off by the negative comments in this thread. At least read it for yourself before judging. Personally, it was very enjoyable. As sad as it is, from my experience on BSN, a large amount of users appear to focus on the 'bad' things while almost ignoring the 'good' things, for pretty much everything Mass Effect.

[Seishoujyo]

StreetMagic wrote...
but now he's relegated to comic book duty.

Not true, he will be the main writer for Mass Effect 4. Check his interview.

[Steelcan]

Seishoujyo wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...
but now he's relegated to comic book duty.

Not true, he will be the main writer for Mass Effect 4. Check his interview.

For some unfathomable reason

[AresKeith]

B.Shep wrote...

I liked the issue, it was fun seeing Wrex destroying everyone along the way.


It's also funny see people who didn't even read it criticizing....this place never changes...

Even though the only and main criticism towards it is that Mac keep deciding to include Cerberus 

[David7204]

First of all, BioWare has been explicitly advertising for a Lead Writer in Montreal. Plus, Walter's LinkedIn profile has his top position listed as 'Narrative Director,' not lead writer. Which I suspect is an advisory position with no ultimate authority.

Secondly, what is this interview and when was it held?

Modifié par David7204, 30 août 2013 - 01:11 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, BioWare has been explicitly advertising for a Lead Writer in Montreal. Plus, Walter's LinkedIn profile has changed his top position listed as 'Narrative Director,' not lead writer. Which I suspect is an advisory position with no ultimate authority.

Secondly, what is this interview and when was it held?

“Right now I’m actually just working on [the next Mass Effect]. It’s coming out of [BioWare] Montreal.”


From http://o.canada.com/...-mass-effect-4/