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[SlottsMachine]

Modifié par General Slotts, 30 août 2013 - 02:44 .

[SilJeff]

I gotta ask before I read the two Foundation issues...

Is this just Walters hate bandwagoning from the community, or is the Foundation series really this bad?

I really liked Redemption, Evolution, and Homeworlds (mind you, I am no avid comic book reader. I've really only read Mass Effect comics), but I am worried about this now because of the heavy backlash towards both issues...

Modifié par SilJeff, 30 août 2013 - 02:50 .

[Argentoid]

SilJeff wrote...

I gotta ask before I read the two Foundation issues...

Is this just Walters hate bandwagoning from the community, or is the Foundation series really this bad?

I really liked Redemption, Evolution, and Homeworlds (mind you, I am no avid comic book reader. I've really only read Mass Effect comics), but I am worried about this now because of the heavy backlash towards both issues...

Foundation 1 is not THAT bad. Actually ME: Evolution was really bad, for example: Timmy got blue eyes because of a Reaper zap artifact that was on Shanxi was no freakin reason. And now he can even speak Asari... wut? Now I wish the way Drew Karpyshyn envisioned The Illusive Man, just as a normal man with an average family that used to have an average life. And maybe, he got those eyes because they were turned out be just some implants.

Anyway, in my opinion, the flat out worst of them all is "He Who Laughs Best". I'd call it the "ME Deception" of the ME comics.

Modifié par Argentoid, 30 août 2013 - 03:06 .

[MisterJB]

spirosz wrote...
Lol.  Basically.  "Oh no" - the people who develop and spend their own time and energy have no right to develop what THEY want.  I die when I hear "All that matters is the story they want to tell."

The writers can, of course, write about what they want but the fanbase has also come to expect something from ME that should be delivered. What if ME3 had been about, not struggling against the Cycle but playing with some Alliance soldier as he fights some terrorists? I daresay the fans would be disappointed and rightly so. Having the right to develop what you want only applies so far.

In the first four issues of the Homeworld series, it stayed true to its name. We saw how some of the squadmates got to where they were when Shepard came along; we saw Vega dealing with his junkie father and Garrus giving up on an education to care for his mother.
So, obviously people assumed that "Foundation" would be the same except extended to all characters but no!
I can forgive focusing one comic around Brook's own foundation but when the Wrex comic focus more on her than him and all he does is get into a gunfight on the Citadel, then I'd say there are reasons to complain.

Not to mentions these comics don't make any damned sense. In the first one, Cerberus is working a slave camp fully "staffed" by humans, providing materials for the Alliance and then Brooks, who was a slave there, actually joins Cerberus. Da fuq?

Then, in the second comic, Wrex starts a gunfight in the Wards, causes the explosion of an apartment and we see him getting off with a small reprehension in ME1. Le fuq?

Not only is the series not delivering on what it promises, these comics make no sense and are rethroactivelly introducing plot holes in the games. That's how bad we've gotten.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 août 2013 - 03:25 .

[Liec]

SilJeff wrote...

I gotta ask before I read the two Foundation issues...

Is this just Walters hate bandwagoning from the community, or is the Foundation series really this bad?

I really liked Redemption, Evolution, and Homeworlds (mind you, I am no avid comic book reader. I've really only read Mass Effect comics), but I am worried about this now because of the heavy backlash towards both issues...

If you liked the other comics then you'll probably like this series as well. They're isn't a sudden drop of quality or anything like that. Redemption, Evolution, and Homeworlds received similar complaints iirc.

[MegaSovereign]

MisterJB wrote...

Not only is the series not delivering on what it promises, these comics make no sense and are rethroactivelly introducing plot holes in the games. That's how bad we've gotten.

I agree with a lot about what you said about the premise of the comic being lackluster but I fail to see how it introduced new plot holes.


spiroz is right though, Bioware shouldn't be condemned for creating content that they want to create. And unlike what you are implying, they aren't actively trying to under-deliver.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 août 2013 - 03:20 .

[spirosz]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Bioware shouldn't be condemned for creating content that they want to create. And unlike what you are implying, they aren't actively trying to under-deliver. 

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Bioware shouldn't be condemned for creating content that they want to create. And unlike what you are implying, they aren't actively trying to under-deliver. 

They seem to be doing a remarkable job of it regardless

[MegaSovereign]

I haven't read the comic, is it that bad?

I feel like a huge chunk of the comments on this thread are knee-jerk reactions.

[Steelcan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I haven't read the comic, is it that bad?

I feel like a huge chunk of the comments on this thread are knee-jerk reactions.

I have read it.

Its not AS bad as some people are making it out to be.  The comic itself is fine.

I'm more vexed by the inclusion of Cerberus in a completely unnecessary manner, and the re-hashing of already covered ground.

[MegaSovereign]

Yes, I agree with you.

Like I said before, I think Bioware is trying to retroactively fix the inconsistencies with Cerberus by expanding their role in the 1st game.

[Steelcan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, I agree with you.

Like I said before, I think Bioware is trying to retroactively fix the inconsistencies with Cerberus by expanding their role in the 1st game.

They need to just move on.

They seem to be unable to handle Cerberus well

[shit's fucked cunts]

There are too many goddamn comics. Is there a site somewhere on the internet that lists all of the comics and novels in chronological order?

Shit or no, I'd like to get through them before ME4.

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

There are too many goddamn comics. Is there a site somewhere on the internet that lists all of the comics and novels in chronological order?

Shit or no, I'd like to get through them before ME4.

They all jump around, like majorly

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I haven't read the comic, is it that bad?

I feel like a huge chunk of the comments on this thread are knee-jerk reactions.

I have read it.

Its not AS bad as some people are making it out to be.  The comic itself is fine.

I'm more vexed by the inclusion of Cerberus in a completely unnecessary manner, and the re-hashing of already covered ground.

From what I read in the thread, the main issue IS the inclusion of Cerberus

plus the whole Wrex and C-sec thing

[Steelcan]

It was enjoyable enough is what I'm saying. Its just troubling for future entries.

[Ieldra]

spirosz wrote...
Lol.  Basically.  "Oh no" - the people who develop and spend their own time and energy have no right to develop what THEY want.  I die when I hear "All that matters is the story they want to tell."

Sure, all writing starts with the writer's desire to tell a specific story, or a specific kind of story. Nothing wrong with that.

However, if writing in an established world, refusing to be bound by what's already written is bad practice, and ME3 did too much of that, and in the worst possible places.   

Also, while it's not an obligation, it is pragmatic to consider the possible reception if you're writing for a living. Which they probably did, coming to the conclusion that the majority of the target audience will buy the comic anyway, and it can't do any more damage to the next ME's prospects than ME3 already did. So the writer is free to do what he wants with little consideration of the reception.

[Display Name Owner]

You know what? I'm going to be optimistic and believe that all this 'Cerberus is everywhere at all times' writing is just Bioware getting Cerberus out of their system and using them while they can because they wont feature in the series later on.

I liked Cerberus for a while. In fact, if they were just contained to their own miniseries and only popped up elsewhere when it was necessary or made sense, that could be great. But splashing them all over everything else is getting really tiresome.

[OdanUrr]

So, what's the issue with this new comic series?

[GreyLycanTrope]

OdanUrr wrote...

So, what's the issue with this new comic series?

Mainly that it's a rehash of an old plot, now with Cerberus.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Zazzerka wrote...

There are too many goddamn comics. Is there a site somewhere on the internet that lists all of the comics and novels in chronological order?

Shit or no, I'd like to get through them before ME4.

As far as I know, the chronology of the everything is:

Evolution (comic) > Revelation (novel: a few chapters take place before Evolutions) > He Who Laughs Best (comic) > Mass Effect 1 > Incursion (comic) > Galaxy (iOS game) > Mass Effect 2 (Normandy Destruction) > Redemption (comic) > Ascension (novel) > Paragon Lost (film) > Mass Effect 2 > Retribution (novel) > Inquisition (comic) > Deception (novel, possible non-canon) > Conviction (comic) > Invasion (comic) > Infiltrator (iOS game) > Mass Effect 3

The Homeworlds and Foundation comics are going to be interspersed throughout the chronology. The Library Edition bookmarks several of these into one big comic. The Blasto comic is more of an entertainment story within the game, and the Genesis comics are basically just digital comic versions of ME1 and ME2.

All in all, a lot of it really just feels like superfluous content. None of it is really exceptional or cool additions to what the games have. It sucks really.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 30 août 2013 - 01:08 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Greylycantrope wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

So, what's the issue with this new comic series?

Mainly that it's a rehash of an old plot, now with Cerberus.

milk IT ! milk IT! ... 

[Sebby]

isnudo wrote...

You know what? I'm going to be optimistic and believe that all this 'Cerberus is everywhere at all times' writing is just Bioware getting Cerberus out of their system and using them while they can because they wont feature in the series later on.

I liked Cerberus for a while. In fact, if they were just contained to their own miniseries and only popped up elsewhere when it was necessary or made sense, that could be great. But splashing them all over everything else is getting really tiresome.

You can expect Cerberus in some form or another being in a story set after ME3 if Walters is involved guaranteed.

[Ravensword]

What is it w/ SuperMac's obsession w/ turning Cerberus into a cartoonish evil organization?

[OdanUrr]

Greylycantrope wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

So, what's the issue with this new comic series?

Mainly that it's a rehash of an old plot, now with Cerberus.

What old plot?