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[Taleroth]

TristanHawke wrote...

Hawke's story wasn't finished though. The last dlc was cancelled and the ending to DA2 had no closure to the character.

There was no character to "close." He was nothing but a vehicle for moving scene to scene. It's not like he has some character development that's incomplete. Or some goal unfinished. Every single plot of significance involving the character was resolved.

Though the whole disappearing thing they tossed in there was simply too teasing.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 02:42 .

[MissOuJ]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Erm, because the hooded person is supposed to be the Inquisitor?

I don't think so. If I remember correctly, Kirby commented that in that picture the sword is handed to the Inquisitor, and that the rings stand for all the people who recognize your authority, or something to that effect. I can't for the life of me to find a link, but if memory serves this was in a thead were people were speculating that the rings were in fact different backgrounds / "origins" you could choose...

So that hooded person is apparently not supposed to be the Inquisitor.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 août 2013 - 02:43 .

[TheInquisitor]

Taleroth wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

Hawke's story wasn't finished though. The last dlc was cancelled and the ending to DA2 had no closure to the character.

There was no character to "close." He was nothing but a vehicle for moving scene to scene. It's not like he has some character development that's incomplete. Or some goal unfinished. Every single plot of significance involving the character was resolved.

Though the whole disappearing thing they tossed in there was simply too teasing.

I'm sorry but simply saying he disappeared isn't 'resolving' a character. They've done it to The Warden as well. This brings up many major issues with Morrigan appearing in DAI if you romanced her, but that's a different topic altogether.

[jacket666]

Now I can see how people don't think you will see Hawke or Warden in DAI give the comments of their stories being over. That's based off me not knowing that Hawke was suppose to get an expansion. But what everyone is forgetting is that its their "Individual" stories that are over. The entire 5 or 7 game span has an entire overarching story that means by having them disappear bioware can bring them back in what ever capacity they want to fulfill a plot. Hell the last game could have every main PC we've had be out entire list of companions if Bioware wanted which I wouldn't complain if that happened in the least myself.

But on topic here I can see how the OP sees that it looks like Hawke might be handing the sword and helm to our Inquisitor and hey if that's how they pop in Hawke I think it might be an interesting as long as their is an explanation to why he is the one doing it. But only time and Bioware will tell.

[Taleroth]

TristanHawke wrote...

I'm sorry but simply saying he disappeared isn't 'resolving' a character.

No, finishing up his plots is resolving the character. Which happened.

They've done it to The Warden as well. This brings up many major issues with Morrigan appearing in DAI if you romanced her, but that's a different topic altogether.

The Warden romancing Morrigan is the one thing where disappearing actually made sense. And we saw it happen.

[Baelyn]

Taleroth wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

I'm sorry but simply saying he disappeared isn't 'resolving' a character.

No, finishing up his plots is resolving the character. Which happened.

Except for the part where Bioware explicitly stated they always intended for Hawke's story arc to be resolved through an expansion. Which just so happens to have been rolled into Inquisition. 

Now this part is speculation:

I believe that the expansion was supposed to arc DA2 to the next thing....DA2 set the stage for the events of Inquisition directly....looping Varric and Cassandra together to try to find Hawke which fits perfectly into them being together in Inquisition.

Modifié par Baelyn, 28 août 2013 - 03:09 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Good speculation, OP. It does, kind of, look like Hawke's silhouette. I hope it is, in any event. Hawke has really gotten short changed through the whole DA2 debacle. Basically, dude deserved better. Hopefully there is a resolution to his story in DA3, even if it's just a simple "he and Isabela disappeared into the Waking Sea being all pirate-y and ****." The way DA2 ended, BioWare has to know they've walked into poo if they don't intend to resolve outstanding questions about Hawke and DA2 in general.

[Taleroth]

Baelyn wrote...

Except for the part where Bioware explicitly stated they always intended for Hawke's story arc to be resolved through an expansion. 

Yes and at one point they intended killing the Archdemon to be dependent on a magic sword.

Things change. This particular change does not alter any of the major plotlines that we know.

[Ecmoose]

What else would they need to bridge the gap for? DAO Set up the stage for Mages hating Templars. DA2 set the stage for the civil war. Both set the stage for mysterious magical forces taking advantage of strife to better their position. So far, DAI has all of that. Sure they may have cancelled an expansion, but isn't it possible they cancelled it because they felt Hawke was done?

[leaguer of one]

Taleroth wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Except for the part where Bioware explicitly stated they always intended for Hawke's story arc to be resolved through an expansion. 

Yes and at one point they intended killing the Archdemon to be dependent on a magic sword.

Things change. This particular change does not alter any of the major plotlines that we know.

1. BW never said Hawke's story was over.
2. The sword concept was thought up and dropped mid production. The issue with the intent of Hawke is post production.

[Baelyn]

Taleroth wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Except for the part where Bioware explicitly stated they always intended for Hawke's story arc to be resolved through an expansion. 

Yes and at one point they intended killing the Archdemon to be dependent on a magic sword.

Things change. This particular change does not alter any of the major plotlines that we know.

As far as we know, the only thing that has changed from their original plan is that instead of waste time on a standdalone expansion they are incorporating a portion of it into the "Next Thing" which we now know as Inquisition. Could they have changed their minds and decided Hawke's story arc is done? Yes. But thats just speculation as well. 

[The Hierophant]

If Hawke makes an appearance i hope we can murder knife him in the face?

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Has anyone considered that maybe Hawke is the PC during a playable prologue? Something akin to storming the castle in Witcher 2, perhaps?

It would make sense, I think. Open the game with the Exalted March on Kirkwall with Hawke either defending the city (Templar path) or trying to run from the chaos (Mage path). Not sure how it'd go for the character, but it could be what they're thinking about.

[Ozzy]

The Hierophant wrote...

If Hawke makes an appearance i hope we can murder knife him in the face?

I hope Hawke appears only to murder your LI in front of you and then disappear before you can do anything about it.  

[Taleroth]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Has anyone considered that maybe Hawke is the PC during a playable prologue? Something akin to storming the castle in Witcher 2, perhaps?

It would make sense, I think. Open the game with the Exalted March on Kirkwall with Hawke either defending the city (Templar path) or trying to run from the chaos (Mage path). Not sure how it'd go for the character, but it could be what they're thinking about.

How would that make sense? It's a pointless tangent. This game is not about Kirkwall, Hawke, the Templar/Mage war isn't even the main plot of this game, and the Templar/Mage thread in the game owes more to Asunder than DA2 anyway.

A playable prologue as Wynne would be more relevant.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 03:44 .

[MissOuJ]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Has anyone considered that maybe Hawke is the PC during a playable prologue? Something akin to storming the castle in Witcher 2, perhaps?

Dear lord I'd absolutely love that! (as long as Hawke / their LI didn't end up dead after said prologue)

I'd also love the possibility of Hawke as one of the agents the devs have mentioned -- a pro-mage Hawke would be an ideal diplomat to assign to mage-related missions / quest, whereas pro-templar Hawke could be at home negotiating with the Templars etc. ...

Man, that'd be really fun!

But... must... stay... realistic...

[The Hierophant]

AstusOz wrote...

I hope Hawke appears only to murder your LI in front of you and then disappear before you can do anything about it.

Knowing Hawke he'd probably fail.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Taleroth wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Has anyone considered that maybe Hawke is the PC during a playable prologue? Something akin to storming the castle in Witcher 2, perhaps?

It would make sense, I think. Open the game with the Exalted March on Kirkwall with Hawke either defending the city (Templar path) or trying to run from the chaos (Mage path). Not sure how it'd go for the character, but it could be what they're thinking about.

How would that make sense? It's a pointless tangent. This game is not about Kirkwall, Hawke, the Templar/Mage war isn't even the main plot of this game, and the Templar/Mage thread in the game owes more to Asunder than DA2 anyway.

A playable prologue as Wynne would be more relevant.

Because the whole point of the Thedosian Mage/Templar conflict stems from the uprising in Kirkwall. Whether you aided it or put it down, Kirkwall is a symbol, and a pretty powerful one at that. The Divine could order her armies to march on Kirkwall in order to capture it, or to help hold it depending on who you sided with. While it may not have any "real" relevance to the conflict (although I'd argue otherwise), capturing, destroying, or otherwise holding a powerful symbol of mage freedom (or oppression) would have a lasting impact on the enemy's morale. It also has the nicely added benefit of giving Hawke an actual ending aside from "poof he disappeared."

I personally doubt it'll happen, though. Whatever happens, I just hope BioWare recognises that despite the BSN, Dragon Age 2 did have its fans and they deserve to have their choices and characters recognized the same as anybody else.

[Taleroth]

Nevermind.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 04:23 .

[brad_blacksmith]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Has anyone considered that maybe Hawke is the PC during a playable prologue? Something akin to storming the castle in Witcher 2, perhaps?

It would make sense, I think. Open the game with the Exalted March on Kirkwall with Hawke either defending the city (Templar path) or trying to run from the chaos (Mage path). Not sure how it'd go for the character, but it could be what they're thinking about.

How would that make sense? It's a pointless tangent. This game is not about Kirkwall, Hawke, the Templar/Mage war isn't even the main plot of this game, and the Templar/Mage thread in the game owes more to Asunder than DA2 anyway.

A playable prologue as Wynne would be more relevant.

Because the whole point of the Thedosian Mage/Templar conflict stems from the uprising in Kirkwall. Whether you aided it or put it down, Kirkwall is a symbol, and a pretty powerful one at that. The Divine could order her armies to march on Kirkwall in order to capture it, or to help hold it depending on who you sided with. While it may not have any "real" relevance to the conflict (although I'd argue otherwise), capturing, destroying, or otherwise holding a powerful symbol of mage freedom (or oppression) would have a lasting impact on the enemy's morale. It also has the nicely added benefit of giving Hawke an actual ending aside from "poof he disappeared."

I personally doubt it'll happen, though. Whatever happens, I just hope BioWare recognises that despite the BSN, Dragon Age 2 did have its fans and they deserve to have their choices and characters recognized the same as anybody else.

Well Wynne also happens to be dead, so i dunno how that would work for a playable prologue

Modifié par brad_blacksmith, 28 août 2013 - 04:28 .

[Knight of Dane]

Taleroth wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Has anyone considered that maybe Hawke is the PC during a playable prologue? Something akin to storming the castle in Witcher 2, perhaps?

It would make sense, I think. Open the game with the Exalted March on Kirkwall with Hawke either defending the city (Templar path) or trying to run from the chaos (Mage path). Not sure how it'd go for the character, but it could be what they're thinking about.

How would that make sense? It's a pointless tangent. This game is not about Kirkwall, Hawke, the Templar/Mage war isn't even the main plot of this game, and the Templar/Mage thread in the game owes more to Asunder than DA2 anyway.

A playable prologue as Wynne would be more relevant.

Y'know, I wouldn't mind that. Wynne is that level of elderly badass that only my grandmothers rival.

[Dragoonx89]

read the ign article of the keep apparently it says the warden and hawke will have an important role in daI

[Baelyn]

Dragoonx89 wrote...

read the ign article of the keep apparently it says the warden and hawke will have an important role in daI

Thanks! Was just coming here to point this out.

"So does this mean Hawke and your Warden play an important role in Inquisition? Darrah says yes -- but BioWare won't elaborate on that just yet."

www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/28/dragon-age-keep-inquisitions-alternative-to-save-transfers

[Rawgrim]

It looks like Hawke. Deffinatly. I wouldn`t go so far as to call it evidence that he will be in the game, though.