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How would you guys react if Bioware put A "Red Wedding" Like Scene in DAI?


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N7recruit

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 Honestly I'd love it if they had the Balls to do somthing like this:lol:. Not without having a VERY, VERY strong reason mind you or Just cuz

"Hey guys! You know the cast we spent the last  2 years writing? You Know! The Characters the players are now emiotionally attached to after 30hours of gameplay? Call me sadistic but... how about we kill them all off in the most Brutal & horrific way possible!:devil: Something like in Game of Thrones? I'm sure the fans would love us after that!!  Yeah Lets do it!:police:" 

It would suck sure, but the reaction on the BSN would be worth it IMO:lol:

 

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Look at how badly things went in ME3 when there was only the implication that your party would never see you again. And the overall fiasco of ME3 in general. Very, very bad move.

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I think Bioware has learned their lesson about trying to shock their audience. Last time they killed off an entire franchise with the intention of making us think it was a good twist, but yeah of course, if it has a deeper meaning than in your example, it could work. I still don't like the idea of "Hey wouldn't it be cool if this character died? Sure, we just have to find a good reason for writing his death"
It should rather be the other way around like "In order to do this, this character has to die because it wouldn't make sense if he made it" or something like that.

To all writers in the world: Never, EVER kill a character for the sake of trying to get a reaction if it doesn't make sense to kill that character.

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If I was playing Robb I would have married who I was supposed to marry. So I shouldn't get the Red Wedding. It was a stretch even with Robb's stupidity.

I don't recall the Red Wedding killed all that many major characters, anyway. Not permanently.

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Disappointed, but only slightly surprised.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Look at how badly things went in ME3 when there was only the implication that your party would never see you again. And the overall fiasco of ME3 in general. Very, very bad move.


I'm not questioning the move would be... Controversial, But would you not find the ensuing **** storm at least  "Kinda" Funny?
I dout that I would find the scene itself funny at all TBH but the reaction would be somthing worth seeing though:lol:

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I wouldn't mind another Mhairi. But only if we got a longer time to get to know and like her, so maybe more of an Aerith?

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Xilizhra

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N7recruit wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Look at how badly things went in ME3 when there was only the implication that your party would never see you again. And the overall fiasco of ME3 in general. Very, very bad move.


I'm not questioning the move would be... Controversial, But would you not find the ensuing **** storm at least  "Kinda" Funny?
I dout that I would find the scene itself funny at all TBH but the reaction would be somthing worth seeing though:lol:

No.

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I'm laughing just thinking of how this forum would blow up if they killed all your companions off at the end of the game. The tears would be delicious. I'm still waiting for the hilarious disappointment when the LIs are announced and not one of them is a female qunari.

In all seriousness, if Bioware could pull a stunt like the Red Wedding (maybe not killing all your companions off... as ballsy as that would be, I doubt they'd be willing to risk another ME3 incident lol) that would be fantastic... provided it made sense for the story and wasn't just in there for shock value. I remember my reaction to the RW in both the books and the show very well... if Bioware could induce those feelings in me again with something from one of their games, it would be an instant favourite. I can't remember the last time something fictional emotionally *shattered* me like the RW did.

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BioWare would have to make me care about the characters while playing as the Inquisitor first. Lets take one step at a time here.

Something akin to the Red Wedding is the ultimate in a delayed consequence coming back to bite you in the ass but it would also take quite a bit to pull off in a video game and not feel like its just the writer's taking a Plot Hammer to your character and railroading you. Especially given what we've heard of DA:I so far in that it sounds like its going to be heavy into ego stroking the player character.

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 août 2013 - 02:40 .


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As long as the one getting killed was Hawke then I would be happy.

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N7recruit wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Look at how badly things went in ME3 when there was only the implication that your party would never see you again. And the overall fiasco of ME3 in general. Very, very bad move.


I'm not questioning the move would be... Controversial, But would you not find the ensuing **** storm at least  "Kinda" Funny?
I dout that I would find the scene itself funny at all TBH but the reaction would be somthing worth seeing though:lol:

Seeing other people upset is a good thing why?

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The Red Wedding was shock done right. ME3's ending would have been fine if it made any bloody sense. Killing off companions isn't something people like, they don't necessarily call it a "major flaw." No one can seriously say that the Red Wedding was "bad story-telling" or "melodramatic rubbish" because it wasn't. It made perfect sense that the Freys would get pissed off and turn sides; it made perfect sense that Robb would be killed leaving the North to a Lannister loyal house. It. All. Made. Perfect. Sense.

Sure, you don't have to like it, but liking something is different to the objective nonsense that was ME3's ending.

So, if BioWare DID pull a Red Wedding, and, it made sense to the narrative, then yes, by all means! Break my heart, make me cry, but in the end, as long as it's good story-telling, I'll be fine with it.

TWD's ending still manages to make me cry like a **** but I still *love* it. I don't get angry if characters die, sometimes its necessary and it adds spice to the narrative.

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Xilizhra wrote...

N7recruit wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Look at how badly things went in ME3 when there was only the implication that your party would never see you again. And the overall fiasco of ME3 in general. Very, very bad move.


I'm not questioning the move would be... Controversial, But would you not find the ensuing **** storm at least  "Kinda" Funny?
I dout that I would find the scene itself funny at all TBH but the reaction would be somthing worth seeing though:lol:

No.


Can you imagine trying to explain that one at your annual appraisal? It was like this you see boss, I did something I thought was an extraordinarily bad idea that would put one of our forum moderators on leave for work related stress because I thought it would be kinda funny... I'm guessing no bonus would be forthcoming that year!

Modifié par Narrow Margin, 28 août 2013 - 02:44 .


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Brockololly wrote...

BioWare would have to make me care about the characters while playing as the Inquisitor first. Lets take one step at a time here.


this

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If it was one of many possible outcomes, then I'd actually really like that to happen. If it was something unavoidable, then no thanks.

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Linkenski wrote...

I think Bioware has learned their lesson about trying to shock their audience. Last time they killed off an entire franchise with the intention of making us think it was a good twist, but yeah of course, if it has a deeper meaning than in your example, it could work. I still don't like the idea of "Hey wouldn't it be cool if this character died? Sure, we just have to find a good reason for writing his death"
It should rather be the other way around like "In order to do this, this character has to die because it wouldn't make sense if he made it" or something like that.

To all writers in the world: Never, EVER kill a character for the sake of trying to get a reaction if it doesn't make sense to kill that character.


Oh I know doing it for that reason alone would be absolutly hurendous. & I'd rather not have an expierence like ME3s Shallow, poorly put together ending EVER again but if the DA team did manage to not only put it in but make it work aswell?
Lets just saythe BSN would be a lively place:police:

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The Red Wedding featured the death of exactly ONE major POV character. I think Bioware could get away with that, if the event was sufficiently rooted in the lore and it felt like a natural thing to happen considering the characters of the involved people. 

I think it could work as a consequence of a decision you make. As an unavoidable event, it would be hard to orchestrate convincingly and even harder to make players accept it.

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I would like it in a new IP where the tone of the game fit and it wasn't coming in from left field. Not in DA though. Just like most of ME3 (especially the last 10 min) didn't fit with the series.

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In order to make a really heart-breaking scene like the Red Wedding, you must have a talent of George R.R. Martin.

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I'd be against it mainly because that means Bioware would have started pulling major plot points from popular series instead of being original, which would be rather lame.

The OP is merely fantasizing about getting to troll a ton of people because olollolloollllz. I guess we can count our blessings that he's not likely to be made lead writer anytime soon.

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Taleroth wrote...

N7recruit wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Look at how badly things went in ME3 when there was only the implication that your party would never see you again. And the overall fiasco of ME3 in general. Very, very bad move.


I'm not questioning the move would be... Controversial, But would you not find the ensuing **** storm at least  "Kinda" Funny?
I dout that I would find the scene itself funny at all TBH but the reaction would be somthing worth seeing though:lol:

Seeing other people upset is a good thing why?


Thats just my Trollish Sadistic side talking^_^ But Seriously "IF!!" they exicuted somthing like this with the quality & Emotional impact as game of thrones did I think it would be amazing.

Killing all of them Would Be Cruel though :( & if your choices affected said scene by softening the blow or turning the tide it would be Awesome

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If we're talking about a scene where everyone you've loved dies, DAO had a few of those. The Human Noble Origins features two in, almost, quick sucession first in Highever and then in Ostagar.

If, on the other hand, we're talking about a direct consequences from the actions of the players; which would be my preferred method of implementing such a scene; I would at first be sadenned and then happy that Bioware actually managed to pull something like this off.

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No

I'm really sick of the "dark =deep" fad

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I'd be against it mainly because that means Bioware would have started pulling major plot points from popular series instead of being original, which would be rather lame.

The OP is merely fantasizing about getting to troll a ton of people because olollolloollllz. I guess we can count our blessings that he's not likely to be made lead writer anytime soon.


Hey! Maybe I am & you don't know it? Super Sceret and all that! (I'm not but still!)  I ask you this, If you had that power, could you resist using it to Troll, Even a Little? Is any Writer that Strong willed?