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Bioware, please apply this last weapons balance change!


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What happened here?


You don't wanna know. Better GTFO before you contract element herpes. 

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Is that why the Hurricane is the most used weapon on Gold+? Cos people can't hit stuff? 

Several reasons:

1. On Gold+, more enemies are bosses and are huge targets that are easy to hit.  
2.  A lot of people carry the Hurricane as a backup weapon.  For example, if I'm playing a sniper Infiltrator, I might use 5 different sniper rifles, but my 2nd weapon is always going to be a Hurricane.  Any Adept or Vanguard who uses an Acolyte as a main weapon carries a Hurricane as a backup.  The weight increase would make some of those people pick a different gun.  Maybe not the Infiltrators, but maybe Vanguards, Adepts, etc.
3.  People who play Gold/Plat are generally more skilled and better at using the Hurricane.  They are better shots and are also comfortable with close-range fighting.  If you increase the recoil, they won't suffer much.  People who suck at the game are going to suffer.  If you want to make Gold/Plat players suffer, the easiest way is to decrease DPS.

 

Well that's because I'm giving it more weight, so this SMG will kinda become PRIMARY instead of SECONDARY. And you would still be able to make it secondary with ULM. 

And Hurricane is actually quite easy to control after the recoil nerf. And it does much more DPS than even peak buff Piranha. And since hard cover helps it even more it's basically a Typhoon that weights nothing. 

I agree with giving it more weight to make it a primary gun, and using ULM to make it a secondary can hurt its performance pretty significantly if you're not using AP IV or armor weakening powers.  I'm only saying that there's no point in increasing the recoil.

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Bout time for a balance change to the avatar. This one used to be <3:wub:<3.  Now it's -_-.

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Cyonan wrote...

and now we've returned to our regularly scheduled insanity after a break while somebody who probably couldn't even write a hello world program tells developers how to do their jobs.

Also, you aren't going to fix your perceived problem with Infiltrators by nerfing the guns that casters use.


Should be in every post.

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Cyonan wrote...

and now we've returned to our regularly scheduled insanity after a break while somebody who probably couldn't even write a hello world program tells developers how to do their jobs.

Also, you aren't going to fix your perceived problem with Infiltrators by nerfing the guns that casters use.

 

I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything. 

I did not come up with Geth, did not come up with lolgoons or Bombers or Prime drones or DR for moving or Seeker Swarms that climb ladders, I did not come up with 10 meter magnet hands. I did not come up with Reegar, Krysae, Acolyte, AIU, GI, TGI, I did not come up with multiple Hurricane buffs or nerfs to Vindicator weight. 

I also did not tie EVERYTHING to FPS. 

Nope I didn't do that. Those devs that can probably write a hello world porgram with 5 bugs in it, came up with that. Congrats to them I guess. 

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Fine job chaps! 

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I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything. 


LOL,
Seriously, LOOK AT YOUR THREAD TITLE. Image IPB

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Cyonan wrote...

and now we've returned to our regularly scheduled insanity after a break while somebody who probably couldn't even write a hello world program tells developers how to do their jobs.

Also, you aren't going to fix your perceived problem with Infiltrators by nerfing the guns that casters use.

Programing and Game Design do not directly correlate. They work together, but you don't require one to do the other.

That's like saying an Artist can't make comments on television shows because they don't have a BS in Literature.

Modifié par Tokenusername, 30 août 2013 - 06:32 .


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Miniditka77 wrote...

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Miniditka77 wrote...

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Is that why the Hurricane is the most used weapon on Gold+? Cos people can't hit stuff? 

Several reasons:

1. On Gold+, more enemies are bosses and are huge targets that are easy to hit.  
2.  A lot of people carry the Hurricane as a backup weapon.  For example, if I'm playing a sniper Infiltrator, I might use 5 different sniper rifles, but my 2nd weapon is always going to be a Hurricane.  Any Adept or Vanguard who uses an Acolyte as a main weapon carries a Hurricane as a backup.  The weight increase would make some of those people pick a different gun.  Maybe not the Infiltrators, but maybe Vanguards, Adepts, etc.
3.  People who play Gold/Plat are generally more skilled and better at using the Hurricane.  They are better shots and are also comfortable with close-range fighting.  If you increase the recoil, they won't suffer much.  People who suck at the game are going to suffer.  If you want to make Gold/Plat players suffer, the easiest way is to decrease DPS.

 

Well that's because I'm giving it more weight, so this SMG will kinda become PRIMARY instead of SECONDARY. And you would still be able to make it secondary with ULM. 

And Hurricane is actually quite easy to control after the recoil nerf. And it does much more DPS than even peak buff Piranha. And since hard cover helps it even more it's basically a Typhoon that weights nothing. 

I agree with giving it more weight to make it a primary gun, and using ULM to make it a secondary can hurt its performance pretty significantly if you're not using AP IV or armor weakening powers.  I'm only saying that there's no point in increasing the recoil.

 

Finally someone can grasp the though behind it. But increasing the recoil would also "suggest" to some people that thay would like a recoil mod on their Hurricane. Now couple that with ULM and Recoil mod - you have no mods for ammo or power or barrel. 

That would decrease the Hurricanes DPS a lot. But you would still have all the choices on how to build it and a unique weapon with a character that bites if not stabilized. Nerfing damage and keeping it as is - meh. 

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I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything. 


LOL,
Seriously, LOOK AT YOUR THREAD TITLE. Image IPB

 

Yeah. I've changed my mind. Better not tell them anything. 

BSN is happy how they do their jobs.

MORE AIU'S FOR ME4 PLS! Biotic Geth Female Vanguard/Infiltrator  with cameltoe, robotic boobs and huge ass that is always followed by the camera PLOX! 

YAY!

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I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything.

I did not come up with Geth, did not come up with lolgoons or Bombers or Prime drones or DR for moving or Seeker Swarms that climb ladders, I did not come up with 10 meter magnet hands. I did not come up with Reegar, Krysae, Acolyte, AIU, GI, TGI, I did not come up with multiple Hurricane buffs or nerfs to Vindicator weight.


So you're going to bash them and call this game an alpha because of mostly balance or design choices that you personally do not agree with?

Captain Picard to the BSN please. We need a facepalm.

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I also did not tie EVERYTHING to FPS.


Technically, neither did BioWare.

Good job on showing that you still have no idea what you're talking about.

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Element 0 wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Element 0 wrote...
I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything. 


LOL,
Seriously, LOOK AT YOUR THREAD TITLE. Image IPB

 

Yeah. I've changed my mind. Better not tell them anything. 

BSN is happy how they do their jobs.

MORE AIU'S FOR ME4 PLS! Biotic Geth Female Vanguard/Infiltrator  with cameltoe, robotic boobs and huge ass that is always followed by the camera PLOX! 

YAY!


It`s absolutely hilarious how you have to put words in my mouth in order to try and argue your points. All I have to do is directly quote you.

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er coots stahp
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Tokenusername wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

and now we've returned to our regularly scheduled insanity after a break while somebody who probably couldn't even write a hello world program tells developers how to do their jobs.

Also, you aren't going to fix your perceived problem with Infiltrators by nerfing the guns that casters use.

Programing and Game Design do not directly correlate. They work together, but you don't require one to do the other.

That's like saying an Artist can't make comments on television shows because they don't have a BS in Literature.


I'm not referring to the actual OP, but rather posts he was making a few pages ago about bugs and bug fixing in general.

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Finally someone can grasp the though behind it. But increasing the recoil would also "suggest" to some people that thay would like a recoil mod on their Hurricane. Now couple that with ULM and Recoil mod - you have no mods for ammo or power or barrel. 

That would decrease the Hurricanes DPS a lot. But you would still have all the choices on how to build it and a unique weapon with a character that bites if not stabilized. Nerfing damage and keeping it as is - meh. 

Would only apply to console scrubs though, since pc players can just drag their mouse down a bit faster to mitigate the increased recoil. Hurricane would need a dmg nerf to be less op.

Personally, I'd prefer keeping it as it is and buffing certain other weapons (*cough* assault rifles).

Cyonan wrote...

Captain Picard to the BSN please. We need a facepalm.

Picard to Cyonvi. Facepalm incoming.

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Cyonan wrote...

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I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything.

I did not come up with Geth, did not come up with lolgoons or Bombers or Prime drones or DR for moving or Seeker Swarms that climb ladders, I did not come up with 10 meter magnet hands. I did not come up with Reegar, Krysae, Acolyte, AIU, GI, TGI, I did not come up with multiple Hurricane buffs or nerfs to Vindicator weight.


So you're going to bash them and call this game an alpha because of mostly balance or design choices that you personally do not agree with?

Captain Picard to the BSN please. We need a facepalm.

Element 0 wrote...

I also did not tie EVERYTHING to FPS.


Technically, neither did BioWare.

Good job on showing that you still have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Oh, I personally disagree? Hmm. Really. So the Geth are broken only to me then? Magnet hands that grab me and stab me with air happen to me only then? Nobody else says that Reegar, Krysae or Hurricane are OP? Overbuffed or overnerfed? Just me? So only I can do the incendiary glitch? Or go off the map. It's just me who completely loses sounds, graphics, enemies, teammates, objectives ON HOST? 

Technically they didn't, but practically they did. Goes to show how things in practice are more important than in theorie. 

Modifié par Element 0, 30 août 2013 - 06:55 .


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this thread is hilarious

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Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything.

I did not come up with Geth, did not come up with lolgoons or Bombers or Prime drones or DR for moving or Seeker Swarms that climb ladders, I did not come up with 10 meter magnet hands. I did not come up with Reegar, Krysae, Acolyte, AIU, GI, TGI, I did not come up with multiple Hurricane buffs or nerfs to Vindicator weight.


So you're going to bash them and call this game an alpha because of mostly balance or design choices that you personally do not agree with?

Captain Picard to the BSN please. We need a facepalm.

Element 0 wrote...

I also did not tie EVERYTHING to FPS.


Technically, neither did BioWare.

Good job on showing that you still have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Oh, I personally disagree? Hmm. Really. So the Geth are broken only to me then? Magnet hands that grab me and stab me with air happen to me only then? Nobody else says that Reegar, Krysae or Hurricane are OP? OeOverbuffed or overnerfed? Just me? So only I can do the incendiary glitch? Or go off the map. It's just me who completely loses sounds, graphics, enemies, teammates, objectives ON HOST? 

Technically they didn't, but practically they did. Goes to show how things in practice are more important than in theorie. 


You misinterpreted "personally disagree", Cyonan did NOT say "your the only one who feels this way"
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Cirvante wrote...

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Finally someone can grasp the though behind it. But increasing the recoil would also "suggest" to some people that thay would like a recoil mod on their Hurricane. Now couple that with ULM and Recoil mod - you have no mods for ammo or power or barrel. 

That would decrease the Hurricanes DPS a lot. But you would still have all the choices on how to build it and a unique weapon with a character that bites if not stabilized. Nerfing damage and keeping it as is - meh. 

Would only apply to console scrubs though, since pc players can just drag their mouse down a bit faster to mitigate the increased recoil. Hurricane would need a dmg nerf to be less op.

Personally, I'd prefer keeping it as it is and buffing certain other weapons (*cough* assault rifles).

Cyonan wrote...

Captain Picard to the BSN please. We need a facepalm.

Picard to Cyonvi. Facepalm incoming.

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Have you ever used the pre-recoil nerf Hurricane? It would take quite a bit of mouse dragging. 

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Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

I'm not telling them how to do theit jobs. I see the results. Better not to tell them anything.

I did not come up with Geth, did not come up with lolgoons or Bombers or Prime drones or DR for moving or Seeker Swarms that climb ladders, I did not come up with 10 meter magnet hands. I did not come up with Reegar, Krysae, Acolyte, AIU, GI, TGI, I did not come up with multiple Hurricane buffs or nerfs to Vindicator weight.


So you're going to bash them and call this game an alpha because of mostly balance or design choices that you personally do not agree with?

Captain Picard to the BSN please. We need a facepalm.

Element 0 wrote...

I also did not tie EVERYTHING to FPS.


Technically, neither did BioWare.

Good job on showing that you still have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Oh, I personally disagree? Hmm. Really. So the Geth are broken only to me then? Magnet hands that grab me and stab me with air happen to me only then? Nobody else says that Reegar, Krysae or Hurricane are OP? OeOverbuffed or overnerfed? Just me? So only I can do the incendiary glitch? Or go off the map. It's just me who completely loses sounds, graphics, enemies, teammates, objectives ON HOST? 

Technically they didn't, but practically they did. Goes to show how things in practice are more important than in theorie. 


You misinterpreted "personally disagree", Cyonan did NOT say "your the only one who feels this way"
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Russian guy pls.

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Element 0 wrote...
Russian guy pls.


LOL, Way to stereotype.
and avoid the issue.
Entitled 0 please, what makes your OPINION on balance more important than EVERYONEELSE`S? INCLUDING THE DEVS?

Because that`s what you`ve implied with this ENTIRE THREAD.

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Russian guy pls.


LOL, Way to stereotype.
and avoid the issue.
Entitled 0 please, what makes your OPINION on balance more important than EVERYONEELSE`S? INCLUDING THE DEVS?

Because that`s what you`ve implied with this ENTIRE THREAD.

 

Who's this everyone else? You? Cinnamon? :lol:

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Oh, I personally disagree? Hmm. Really. So the Geth are broken only to me then? Magnet hands that grab me and stab me with air happen to me only then? Nobody else says that Reegar, Krysae or Hurricane are OP? OeOverbuffed or overnerfed? Just me? So only I can do the incendiary glitch? Or go off the map. It's just me who completely loses sounds, graphics, enemies, teammates, objectives ON HOST?

Technically they didn't, but practically they did. Goes to show how things in practice are more important than in theorie.


Technically they didn't, and practically they didn't either.

Personally disagree != only you disagree

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Element 0 wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Element 0 wrote...
Russian guy pls.


LOL, Way to stereotype.
and avoid the issue.
Entitled 0 please, what makes your OPINION on balance more important than EVERYONEELSE`S? INCLUDING THE DEVS?

Because that`s what you`ve implied with this ENTIRE THREAD.

 

Who's this everyone else? You? Cinnamon? :lol:



LOL, what does google tell you "everyone else" means? Here, I`ll post it for you since I almost forgot you are incapable of running any form of online search.
Everyone else

From "everyone"-
1.) every person in a group
2.)used for talking aobut people in general


From "else"
1.)in addition, besides
2.)different, instead

Therefore "everyone else" would be interpreted in this context as "people in general besides you".

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Cyonan wrote...

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Oh, I personally disagree? Hmm. Really. So the Geth are broken only to me then? Magnet hands that grab me and stab me with air happen to me only then? Nobody else says that Reegar, Krysae or Hurricane are OP? OeOverbuffed or overnerfed? Just me? So only I can do the incendiary glitch? Or go off the map. It's just me who completely loses sounds, graphics, enemies, teammates, objectives ON HOST?

Technically they didn't, but practically they did. Goes to show how things in practice are more important than in theorie.


Technically they didn't, and practically they didn't either.

Personally disagree != only you disagree

 

Oh. So the enemies just get stupid at 20 FPS, better at 30 and on 60 they are twice as good? And if you decide to take advantage of your 120 Hz monitor and unlock the FPS, they become even better? Okay. :innocent: