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[DanielCofour]

I have a question/problem/suggestion with the Keep: I have two Origin accounts, and the Keep always defaults to the one I'm logged into. But if I log out on the Origin site, sign in with my other account, and then go back to the Keep, it will still default to the first account. The only way I can solve this is by restarting my PC and hope to God that Origin remembered that I signed in with my second account. 

 

I'm not in the Beta, but I do have to ask whether there will be an option to manually log in to the Keep, instead of it automatically logging me in with the Origin account that I'm logged in with? 

[DanielCofour]

It's a free to use utility, meaning people without any DA games can use it (for whatever reason that may be) aswell as people who are preparing world states for DAI, etc..

 

But a pirate can't. Because the "import world state" will be tied to your Origin account, and as far as I know, that can't be cracked. That's what I meant. It's a clever anti-piracy measure. If you pirate the game, you won't be importing save-games.

[Wulfram]

I bet you'll be able to hack your save games to set the flags.

 

On PC, anyway

[Exaltation]

Will it be compatible with DAO and DA2?
I really hate all the broken flags,no point making RPG game if most/some of our choices are null lol.

DAO: Alistair granted autonomy to the circle.
DA2: No he didn't,it clearly states you chose nothing.
DAO: Oh really?,must be my imagination then..
Gamer:

[Jawzzus]

Well we are picking the choices from DAO and DA2 to go into DAI so yes?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I bet you'll be able to hack your save games to set the flags.

 

On PC, anyway

 

I know people have done this for Mass Effect, and it's one of the reasons why I find it so frustrating that they decided to make the Keep an online-only feature. The plot flags themselves would still be on the disc, right? I don't need a fancy interface, just let me click on them. 

[N7_5P3CTR3]

I know people have done this for Mass Effect, and it's one of the reasons why I find it so frustrating that they decided to make the Keep an online-only feature. The plot flags themselves would still be on the disc, right? I don't need a fancy interface, just let me click on them. 

I think they separated world state generation from the disk to save space on them for the game  

I didn't think you could import saves between pirated games in the first place, but even if you could with DAO andDA2 it wouldn't matter here because you must use the keep to import a specific world state. I'm fairly certain that the game will at least one default/canon  world state though for those who don't have internet to use.

 

At least you will only need to be connected to the net long enough to create a world state and import to start your game, instead of constant connectivity.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I think they separated world state generation from the disk to save space on them for the game

I didn't think you could import saves between pirated games in the first place, but even if you could with DAO andDA2 it wouldn't matter here because you must use the keep to import a specific world state. I'm fairly certain that the game will at least one default/canon  world state though for those who don't have internet to use.

 

At least you will only need to be connected to the net long enough to create a world state and import to start your game, instead of constant connectivity.

 

I'd rather they just make an extra screen or two in character creation to set world states and just have check boxes for each decision. At least that way, everyone who buys the game can use it.

 

My consoles are always offline, so even a one-time connection is a deal-breaker for me. That only leaves the default, and from what I read, the Warden is very different from my own (to use an example, ultimate sacrifice is something I've never done in any of my playthroughs) which means the results of my Wardens' choices mostly wouldn't be represented in the default game and I would never be able to access any of that branching content. 

[Zenbry]

So I posted this a while back, but since this is being discussed again, I thought I would post it... again. 

 

Whatnow12012, on 27 Apr 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

Still the biggest questions have not been answered on DK.

 

Can I use 56K Dial Up

 

Can I use a USB Flash Drive to Upload from my Laptop then Import into my Playstation 3

 

-snip-

 

So I am asking for them WHAT ARE THERE OPTIONS.

 

We don't know. But here is the thing, in 2010 78% of PS3 owners and 71% of XBox360 owners had their systems hooked up to the internet. Link It is reasonable to assume that that number has only gone up, but it is still possible as much as one in five players may not have the ability to connect to Keep.

 

I'm positive they are working on something to help that one in five, but they may not be sure they will have it available by release day. Thus they're not talking about it. Right now they are focusing on the overwhelming majority of gamers who will play DAI,and have no problem with the connection to the Keep system. They're making sure that our experience with Keep is fun, and above all else clean. 

 

Be patience. We'll know what is available and what is not by Oct. 7 at the latest.  

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I remember, pretty sure I was either there during that conversation or read about it later. 

 

I don't mind if the solution isn't available right at release, as long as it's available a reasonable amount of time after (the first couple months would be best) - you know, not waiting for 12 years down the line when/if they ever stop supporting the Keep. I just wish they would say that they are working on a solution or planning one, even if they can't give details yet. They've said they are aware of the issue for offline players... but I don't recall them saying if they were going to do anything about it. 

[DarthSliver]

I am a big advocate for them making a App on the Consoles of this Keep so we only need internet to download and update it. This could be the offline option for people without internet. They could make it possible for the Worldstate to be saved on the console if there is no Internet access to throw it up on the Cloud service. Of course when I keep thinking about a Keep app for consoles I mainly imagine it just making it easier for console players who need to go to a relatives house or library to be able to use a computer.  

[dutch_gamer]

I remember, pretty sure I was either there during that conversation or read about it later. 
 
I don't mind if the solution isn't available right at release, as long as it's available a reasonable amount of time after (the first couple months would be best) - you know, not waiting for 12 years down the line when/if they ever stop supporting the Keep. I just wish they would say that they are working on a solution or planning one, even if they can't give details yet. They've said they are aware of the issue for offline players... but I don't recall them saying if they were going to do anything about it.

If the solution isn't in right at release I doubt there will ever be a true solution without having to use the Internet plus USB somewhere else. It is doubtful they will release a separate CD for people without an Internet connection.

The keep is also online so bioware doesn't have to worry about creating slightly different keeps for each platform. I really can't see them making the keep offline for the few who can't or don't want to play online. It sucks but I do believe rather sooner than later EA and others will attempt again to remove the option to play offline. Just as with microtransactions costumers will eventually reluctantly accept it.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I am a big advocate for them making a App on the Consoles of this Keep so we only need internet to download and update it. This could be the offline option for people without internet. They could make it possible for the Worldstate to be saved on the console if there is no Internet access to throw it up on the Cloud service. Of course when I keep thinking about a Keep app for consoles I mainly imagine it just making it easier for console players who need to go to a relatives house or library to be able to use a computer.  

I'm not familiar with apps, is the idea that they be downloaded onto a USB drive from PCs and then transferred to consoles, or something similar? That would work for me. If it needs to be downloaded directly onto the console though, it's not a completely offline option. 

 

If the solution isn't in right at release I doubt there will ever be a true solution without having to use the Internet plus USB somewhere else. It is doubtful they will release a separate CD for people without an Internet connection.

The keep is also online so bioware doesn't have to worry about creating slightly different keeps for each platform. I really can't see them making the keep offline for the few who can't or don't want to play online. It sucks but I do believe rather sooner than later EA and others will attempt again to remove the option to play offline. Just as with microtransactions costumers will eventually reluctantly accept it.

At this point, I don't expect them to include it on the game disc, even though that's what I would have liked. As long as I don't actually have to connect the internet to my console, doing the online portion on a PC and then transferring that onto my offline console would be an acceptable solution. 

 

Yeah, that concerns me too, but if that day should come, then I'll just stop playing their games and stick with others that let me play the way I want. 

[DarthSliver]

I'm not familiar with apps, is the idea that they be downloaded onto a USB drive from PCs and then transferred to consoles, or something similar? That would work for me. If it needs to be downloaded directly onto the console though, it's not a completely offline option. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately I wasnt thinking of it original in a offline option terms but I am sure something like that could be made to work offline as long as the full Keep was in the app. my Original thought on it was for it to be an App on consoles that allowed you to access the Keep from the console and not need to hassle going on the computer to do it. It was also something that if anything happened to EA like they bankrupt or something crazy that would cause the service to be taken down, there would be that program still there so you could still play DAI 20 years from now lol.  But like I said, I think the App idea could be made into an offline option only requiring you to have connection to get it off the PSN Store or XboxMarketplace(Whatever its called on Xbox). I do hope they considered making it an App for console players but I know its something that wont come out until later so they can focus on getting the Keep to work like it should before DAI comes out. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Unfortunately I wasnt thinking of it original in a offline option terms but I am sure something like that could be made to work offline as long as the full Keep was in the app. my Original thought on it was for it to be an App on consoles that allowed you to access the Keep from the console and not need to hassle going on the computer to do it. It was also something that if anything happened to EA like they bankrupt or something crazy that would cause the service to be taken down, there would be that program still there so you could still play DAI 20 years from now lol.  But like I said, I think the App idea could be made into an offline option only requiring you to have connection to get it off the PSN Store or XboxMarketplace(Whatever its called on Xbox). I do hope they considered making it an App for console players but I know its something that wont come out until later so they can focus on getting the Keep to work like it should before DAI comes out. 

Yeah, like I said earlier, even a one-time connection is a deal-breaker for me. 

 

Anyone who uses an online connection with their consoles won't need to go on a PC to use the Keep, from what I understand. They're meant to use their console's internet browser. And that's where my problem comes in. 

[Warden_of_all]

Unfortunately I wasnt thinking of it original in a offline option terms but I am sure something like that could be made to work offline as long as the full Keep was in the app. my Original thought on it was for it to be an App on consoles that allowed you to access the Keep from the console and not need to hassle going on the computer to do it. It was also something that if anything happened to EA like they bankrupt or something crazy that would cause the service to be taken down, there would be that program still there so you could still play DAI 20 years from now lol.  But like I said, I think the App idea could be made into an offline option only requiring you to have connection to get it off the PSN Store or XboxMarketplace(Whatever its called on Xbox). I do hope they considered making it an App for console players but I know its something that wont come out until later so they can focus on getting the Keep to work like it should before DAI comes out. 

There is only one thing that would keep this from happening. The Keep is not for just Inquisition it is for all the forth coming Dragon Age games starting with Inquisition.

[DarthSliver]

There is only one thing that would keep this from happening. The Keep is not for just Inquisition it is for all the forth coming Dragon Age games starting with Inquisition.

 

Well if it became an App that just allowed you to easily access it from your console than I don't think it would be too much problems there. But a full blowned  download of the Keep, that would require updates to add to the timeline  but nothing that isnt unmanagable from what I understand. Of course I am not a programmer so these things seem simpler in my mind lol 

[Warden_of_all]

Well if it became an App that just allowed you to easily access it from your console than I don't think it would be too much problems there. But a full blowned  download of the Keep, that would require updates to add to the timeline  but nothing that isnt unmanagable from what I understand. Of course I am not a programmer so these things seem simpler in my mind lol 

This is what they were staying away from. It is easier to update one website than it is to continually update five different versions of an app as well as a site. 

 

It would have to be a full blown app to use it offline.

[ushae]

Let me get this straight. People are willing to get ONLINE and complete the Keep and then slap that onto a USB for offline play. But they refuse to connect online via console (likely through an in game app) to do the same thing?

That makes no sense..

[nightscrawl]

Let me get this straight. People are willing to get ONLINE and complete the Keep and then slap that onto a USB for offline play. But they refuse to connect online via console (likely through an in game app) to do the same thing?

That makes no sense..

 

There is no in-game app for the console, it's all done via your Origin account. You use an internet browser and log into the Keep via Origin and create your world state. When you load up the game you log into your Origin account, just as you can today with DAO and DA2. Then when you go to create a new game you select the option to import via the Keep, which is associated with your Origin account.

 

The reason they went with this idea is because ALL they would have to maintain is a single website. They don't have to worry about any client-side or console issues inherent with creating an in-game version of the Keep. This is what allows them to have the Keep be available for five platforms for DAI, and also all future games.

 

Saving a Keep file locally means that you don't have to connect to the internet every time you want to start a new DAI play. Some people might be able to use the Keep at an internet cafe, a library, or at work, and then bring the USB back to their home without dedicated internet. In this very thread there are people who have stated they do not have broadband at home for use with their console.

[nightscrawl]

Yeah, like I said earlier, even a one-time connection is a deal-breaker for me. 

 

Anyone who uses an online connection with their consoles won't need to go on a PC to use the Keep, from what I understand. They're meant to use their console's internet browser. And that's where my problem comes in. 

 

The internet is the same, the only difference is the way you access it. Why would it matter if you used your console's internet browser, your tablet's internet browser, your smart phone's browser, the browser on your PC, or one at the library/work? From all of those places you log into the website with your Origin account, which you also use for the game.

 

Why did you think console users were "meant to use their console's internet browser"? Sure, you don't need to use a PC to use the Keep, but that doesn't mean that you are then required to use the console's browser.

[Devtek]

The internet is the same, the only difference is the way you access it. Why would it matter if you used your console's internet browser, your tablet's internet browser, your smart phone's browser, the browser on your PC, or one at the library/work? From all of those places you log into the website with your Origin account, which you also use for the game.

 

Why did you think console users were "meant to use their console's internet browser"? Sure, you don't need to use a PC to use the Keep, but that doesn't mean that you are then required to use the console's browser.

 

Do we know yet what they are building the Keep with yet? B/c if it is flash then using it on your console and a number of mobile devices is going to be a problem since flash stopped being supported by everything but desktop browsers.  If they built it with html 5 or something else then no problem but flash will limit where people can use it even more.

[Fernando Melo]

I have a question/problem/suggestion with the Keep: I have two Origin accounts, and the Keep always defaults to the one I'm logged into. But if I log out on the Origin site, sign in with my other account, and then go back to the Keep, it will still default to the first account. The only way I can solve this is by restarting my PC and hope to God that Origin remembered that I signed in with my second account. 

 

I'm not in the Beta, but I do have to ask whether there will be an option to manually log in to the Keep, instead of it automatically logging me in with the Origin account that I'm logged in with? 

 

You can log in with any Origin account.  If the current beta sign-up is auto logging you in that may actually be on your browser - try clearing the cache (or remove any Keep specific cookies) and it should allow you to login with another account. 

 

 

 

 

<snip>

The reason they went with this idea is because ALL they would have to maintain is a single website. They don't have to worry about any client-side or console issues inherent with creating an in-game version of the Keep. This is what allows them to have the Keep be available for five platforms for DAI, and also all future games.

<snip>

 

Yep, basically this.

 

A big reason this feature of the Keep was created, was to help remove the import logic from the client (game sku), as it traditionally is.  

 

As soon as you have logic on the client (either a file import mechanism, and/or allowing the selection of past choices in the game client) you are back to square one when it comes to your ability to update, fix errors, or provide for any future compatibility/proofing to deal with things you can't anticipate (like engine changes or new platforms).

 

It's not only a tech challenge to manage scope of the logic system (for our games), but you also need to factor many versions of the 'source of truth' in the wild, the logistical challenge of all the builds needed (you need to fix, build and test against every version of every client and account for how this may affect both games in progress vs new game starts), and you are also at the whim of any number of platform holders who can each have their own rules around what you can and cannot do on your updates, for what cost (and which can change their rules over time), and how frequently you can roll out fixes. 

 

While it is not impossible, the end result is always the same.  You will inevitably hit a wall of either complexity, cost, and/or effort very very quickly - preventing you from fixing issues for all clients at some point (and certainly impossible for an on-going basis).  Not to mention that at some point the game team itself will end their official support for a game and be fully moved on to the next title.

 

Moving this system to an 'open and common platform' like the web/internet which all other platforms already talk to, is the ideal choice.  We're aware that this is less than ideal for anyone wanting to be completely offline, but for a franchise like DA where your impact to the world through your actions is a part of the experience, we think the benefits outweigh the negatives.

 

Having said that, I will reiterate that we would still like look at other options - but the main focus has to be in getting the current system working as intended.  Hence it is hard to comment on some of the other asks atm, I genuinely couldn't tell you if we can do some of those or not at this time.

 

Hope that helps.

F.

[Fernando Melo]

Do we know yet what they are building the Keep with yet? B/c if it is flash then using it on your console and a number of mobile devices is going to be a problem since flash stopped being supported by everything but desktop browsers.  If they built it with html 5 or something else then no problem but flash will limit where people can use it even more.

 

HTML5.  The goal is that you can use it with any relatively modern browser, regardless of what device or platform you are on.  

[MeerMusik]

Thats good to know. HTML5 is the Future - for now.

 

BTW: I am sure many of You preparing for E3 and whatever else. Therefore lacking Time, Resources etc. etc.

But when E3 is over, it would be good if one of the Web Teams post an Initial-FAQ with the Stuff You have already decided yet.

And fill up the rest "on the way" to Gold Status. Just show Players You are aware of their "Fears". I know, no bashing of your boss allowed, but with all the things <peep> has made wrong in the past, its better if someone™ shows that you are taken care of the Players in one way or another.

 

We all here want DA:I to be the best Experience ever. Well until DA 4 of course

 

Again: Have a nice weekend and keep up the great work

Oliver