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[The Sarendoctrinator]

Let me get this straight. People are willing to get ONLINE and complete the Keep and then slap that onto a USB for offline play. But they refuse to connect online via console (likely through an in game app) to do the same thing?

That makes no sense..

Because not everyone who has access to the internet on a PC can/wants to connect it to their game consoles. People have different reasons for this, but it's common enough that some consoles even offer the option to download system updates from a PC onto a USB and get it to their offline consoles that way. 

 

The internet is the same, the only difference is the way you access it. Why would it matter if you used your console's internet browser, your tablet's internet browser, your smart phone's browser, the browser on your PC, or one at the library/work? From all of those places you log into the website with your Origin account, which you also use for the game.

 

Why did you think console users were "meant to use their console's internet browser"? Sure, you don't need to use a PC to use the Keep, but that doesn't mean that you are then required to use the console's browser.

Maybe it wasn't the best choice of words, but part of their reasoning for making the Keep web-based was so that players would be able to access it on whichever gaming platform they choose to play DAI. We don't even know yet if it's possible to transfer Keep data from one platform (PC) to another (console). 

 

The Origin account being required is another concern of mine. I don't use an Origin account to play my games. I had to take my copy of ME3 to a place where I could use a public online console (which is not free to use) so I could register it in order to post on the forums. When something like that can turn out to be such a hassle, of course I don't want a similar system in place just to import a world state. 

 

Moving this system to an 'open and common platform' like the web/internet which all other platforms already talk to, is the ideal choice.  We're aware that this is less than ideal for anyone wanting to be completely offline, but for a franchise like DA where your impact to the world through your actions is a part of the experience, we think the benefits outweigh the negatives.

 

Having said that, I will reiterate that we would still like look at other options - but the main focus has to be in getting the current system working as intended.  Hence it is hard to comment on some of the other asks atm, I genuinely couldn't tell you if we can do some of those or not at this time.

 

Hope that helps.

F.

Although I disagree with the benefits outweighing the negatives, I appreciate the response and it's good to know that you're at least considering other options. That's all I expected at this point. Just wanted to know that you guys will try to create a solution for offline gamers, even if you can't give any details, because that would definitely help. 

[Fast Jimmy]

I have recently retired my console (just converted to the PC faithful again after many years), but my 360 was one of the old ones and did not have a wireless connection. I could spend $60 on an adapter or run Ethernet wire halfway across my house to reach my basement. Considering I never wanted to do any type of online gaming or features, it never bothered me. If I had to do one of the above to engage the Import feature, I wouldn't have and would have used the default.

Not everyone is in the position I was in, but there are plenty of reasons people can have Internet connections for their PC, phones or other devices and not have them hooked up to their consoles.

[Whatnow12012]

Not all have ONLINE being DSL, Broadband, Wi Fi due to Location, Bioware needs to keep aware of this & make the Keep useable for anyone regardless of Dial Up or Wi Fi connections.

 

Long as you can get online you should be able to do & access the Keep Site & also USB Flash Drive should be an option for 56k Dial Upers cause the PS3 uses Wi Fi, DSL other High Speeds.

 

The USB Flash Drive move would let 56K Dial Upers transfer the Keep using USB Flash.

 

See, I am in this position, I can get online using my 56K Dial Up. But I can not get online Using my Consoles, Bioware needs to keep aware of this position people such as myself are in.

 

We can get online using 56K but we can not Get Online using our Consoles. Consoles require DSL other High Speeds. Consoles do not use 56K Dial Up.

 

This is why the Keep needs to work on ALL Forms of Internet Speeds. You people do not realize this people such as myself & others we can get online using 56k Dial Up but we can not get online using our Consoles being our PS3s, PS4, etc. they require DSL or Wi Fi speeds.

 

This would suck if the Keep System isn't accessible for us 56Kers. we would be force to play Inquisition on Default Options or Selection History Choices.

 

This would ****** off a lot people & could also make people not get Inquisition. Due to DK having these limitations on them & due to the fact we can not import being Direct Import such as Previous Bioware games did.

[Whatnow12012]

If I could ask any one of the Dragon Age big wigs something it would be

 

Can I use 56k Dial Up on Dragon's Keep Site.

 

Can I use a USB Flash Drive to transfer from my Laptop to my PS3 Console

 

If not then Us 56K Dial Upers are basically going to be getting scewed or a Middle Finger saying guess what you have to play Inquisition on DEFAULT.

 

Since previous saves are Null & Void & Useless & there is no since in replaying the previous games anymore due to NO DIRECT IMPORT.

[aaarcher86]

Omg. Not again.

[Jawzzus]

I'm not sure I get it.. can consoles not get on a 56k dial up connection?  Can you get online with your computer with a 56k dial up connection?

[Ladyinsanity]

Words.

 

Since this is being brought up...again, I want to step in.

 

Whatnow12012, to preface everything: I've read everything you've said in this thread (including the deleted posts from before). Many others have said this to you, but I think it's important to readdress this again for others as well.

 

The developers are staying quiet because Keep is still in development. Raising constructive concerns and criticisms is valid, and accomodating those of all internet availabilities is a strong goal for any developer (not just Bioware), but consistently rehashing the same argument is going to get you nowhere.

 

Keep updates will go out when ready to go out. The devs won't be silent the entire way up til release date. There are multiple waves of beta participants with differentiating situations (including internet type) that are testing this thing and it'll open up to more in the future. You're not talking to a void. It's a forum with hundreds of eyes and ears. Bioware knows - just chill til they are positively capable of releasing the information. You'll be happier in that situation than asking over and over again only to get another answer of "they're still investigating it".

[Falcon084]

I read somewhere that the DAK will use a cloud server to transfer saves from the keep website to the consoles. 

[Whatnow12012]

CONSOLES CAN NOT USE 56K DIAL UP, THE PS3, 360, X1, PS4, N3DS, PS V, ALL USE WI-FI, DSL, BROADBAND,

 

NOT EVEN THE PS2 USED 56K DIAL UP, WE CAN GET ONLINE BUT WE CAN NOT WITH CONSOLES.

 

I AM THE ONE IN 5. ONLINE BUT NOT ONLINE WITH CONSOLE.

[Whatnow12012]

Look I am just scared & nervous alright, no one is more excited on Inquisition than I am, this is why I been following Inquisition since 2012 for about 3 years now.

 

I am just worried that Bioware is going to force me to play Inquisition on DEFAULT or Pre-Selected History Options due to me having 56k Dial Up, I cant help it I am the 1 in 5, I love where I live, but sucks I have 56k Dial Up & sucks even more I can not get Online with my Consoles due to me having 56k Dial Up.

 

I say even playing Inquisition on DEFAULT would be an awesome game still, but I wanna play what everyone else is playing, Now me having 56K Dial Up & me not able to get Online with my Consoles may now have to Play Inquisition DEFAULT.

 

I know Bioware hasn't revealed everything on Dragon's Keep, but the way things these days & everything in the world running on DSL, Wi-Fi, Broadband. Everything these days is Always Online basically if you have 56k Dial Up you might as well not even be a gamer.

[Warden_of_all]

I'm not sure I get it.. can consoles not get on a 56k dial up connection?  Can you get online with your computer with a 56k dial up connection?

They can its just difficult to setup. 56k modems are based inside of the computer so the computer can dial into a server over a standard phone line. That being said the computer that has the modem can be setup as a proxy server for other computers or consoles on a network to be able to use the connection. Again a difficult thing to do if you don't know how. Also 56k is very slow compared to dsl or broadband. So gaming over a 56k connection would be absolutely useless. Importing a save state or using the browser could easily be done though. But as I said before this type of connection is hard to setup if you don't know how, so far from worth it in the long run.

[Warden_of_all]

CONSOLES CAN NOT USE 56K DIAL UP, THE PS3, 360, X1, PS4, N3DS, PS V, ALL USE WI-FI, DSL, BROADBAND,

 

NOT EVEN THE PS2 USED 56K DIAL UP, WE CAN GET ONLINE BUT WE CAN NOT WITH CONSOLES.

 

I AM THE ONE IN 5. ONLINE BUT NOT ONLINE WITH CONSOLE.

Wrong it can be done. you just don't know how,

[Devtek]

So gaming over a 56k connection would be absolutely useless.

 

I gamed online on 56k for almost a decade...including competitive multiplayer, then again that was when everyone only had 56k i guess.

[Ladyinsanity]

Look I am just scared & nervous alright, no one is more excited on Inquisition than I am, this is why I been following Inquisition since 2012 for about 3 years now.

 

I am just worried that Bioware is going to force me to play Inquisition on DEFAULT or Pre-Selected History Options due to me having 56k Dial Up, I cant help it I am the 1 in 5, I love where I live, but sucks I have 56k Dial Up & sucks even more I can not get Online with my Consoles due to me having 56k Dial Up.

 

I say even playing Inquisition on DEFAULT would be an awesome game still, but I wanna play what everyone else is playing, Now me having 56K Dial Up & me not able to get Online with my Consoles may now have to Play Inquisition DEFAULT.

 

I know Bioware hasn't revealed everything on Dragon's Keep, but the way things these days & everything in the world running on DSL, Wi-Fi, Broadband. Everything these days is Always Online basically if you have 56k Dial Up you might as well not even be a gamer.

The only person who's confirming that you'll be forced to play on default is you. You're consistently persisting your situation without knowledge of anyone else's side. Everyone on this forum is excited for DAI - that's why we're pooled on here waiting and anticipating for more info. We're all in the same boat with our own excitement. Some more than others but this isn't a contest - we all have our love for the games. As far as the internet concerns, you're not the only one with this problem. It is being addressed while you're insisting it be more addressed...which is just sitting you back in this loop. No number of caps you lock is going to force an early answer out of the devs. They need to test all possibilities across many people - that's why there's a beta in the first place. Priority is having the devs working on making the game and all its assets available by release date. 

 

Excuse me while I board a train back home - I'll finish my thoughts later for coherency's sake, which apparently I'm losing at the moment.

 

(edited because words)

[Zenbry]

Look I am just scared & nervous alright, no one is more excited on Inquisition than I am, this is why I been following Inquisition since 2012 for about 3 years now.

 

I am just worried that Bioware is going to force me to play Inquisition on DEFAULT or Pre-Selected History Options due to me having 56k Dial Up, I cant help it I am the 1 in 5, I love where I live, but sucks I have 56k Dial Up & sucks even more I can not get Online with my Consoles due to me having 56k Dial Up.

 

I say even playing Inquisition on DEFAULT would be an awesome game still, but I wanna play what everyone else is playing, Now me having 56K Dial Up & me not able to get Online with my Consoles may now have to Play Inquisition DEFAULT.

 

I know Bioware hasn't revealed everything on Dragon's Keep, but the way things these days & everything in the world running on DSL, Wi-Fi, Broadband. Everything these days is Always Online basically if you have 56k Dial Up you might as well not even be a gamer.

 

No need to be scared. Your problem is easily solved. You say you have 56k dial up. Here. It will be slow, but do that and hook your system up to the wi-fi and you can download your save file when the time comes. Hope that helps!

 

Now can we talk about something fun, like what bizarre quest do you want referenced in keep?

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

Now can we talk about something fun, like what bizarre quest do you want referenced in keep?

 

It will crack me up if something seemingly random like 'did you give Schmooples to Leliana?' is in there. (Or maybe Boermor now has a nug wrangling empire, but only if your Warden helped him.)

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It will crack me up if something seemingly random like 'did you give Schmooples to Leliana?' is in there. (Or maybe Boermor now has a nug wrangling empire, but only if your Warden helped him.)

 

The future of Olrais rests on whether or not your Warden talked to Oghren about Schleets.

[DanielCofour]

Seriously, the concerns not based on anything have gone on long enough. There isn't much info about it yet, and there's still a 100 days at least till the release of the application. When it releases, you can still shout your problems, and get the devs to do something about them. Until then, it's pointless. 

 

Just to recap what we know until now: it will be a HTML5(based?) cloud service, accessible on any device, which will allow you to (re)create a world-state to your specifications. This world-state(or save game) will be tied to your Origin account, and the game will import it from that. Besides that, nothing is certain, so again, no point debating it. 

[DanielCofour]

You can log in with any Origin account.  If the current beta sign-up is auto logging you in that may actually be on your browser - try clearing the cache (or remove any Keep specific cookies) and it should allow you to login with another account. 

 

Right, It's not exactly what I meant. Sites like this one have me automatically logged in when I visit them, that's obvious. I just meant that there is a button that says: "log in with your Origin account" and when I click on it, there's no option to manually log in with whatever account I wish. It goes straight to logging me in with the account that I'm logged in at the Origin site. I'm using Chrome, which is a fairly popular browser.

 

But thanks for the reply, cookie-cleaning should solve the issue. And since the site isn't open yet, it doesn't really matter, I just thought that when it releases, you could add the option to manually sign in.

[Jawzzus]

They can its just difficult to setup. 56k modems are based inside of the computer so the computer can dial into a server over a standard phone line. That being said the computer that has the modem can be setup as a proxy server for other computers or consoles on a network to be able to use the connection. Again a difficult thing to do if you don't know how. Also 56k is very slow compared to dsl or broadband. So gaming over a 56k connection would be absolutely useless. Importing a save state or using the browser could easily be done though. But as I said before this type of connection is hard to setup if you don't know how, so far from worth it in the long run.

 

..I know.  I was being mean.  He said the same thing over and over again like 7 times in his post.

[aaarcher86]

Look I am just scared & nervous alright, no one is more excited on Inquisition than I am, this is why I been following Inquisition since 2012 for about 3 years now.
 
I am just worried that Bioware is going to force me to play Inquisition on DEFAULT or Pre-Selected History Options due to me having 56k Dial Up, I cant help it I am the 1 in 5, I love where I live, but sucks I have 56k Dial Up & sucks even more I can not get Online with my Consoles due to me having 56k Dial Up.
 
I say even playing Inquisition on DEFAULT would be an awesome game still, but I wanna play what everyone else is playing, Now me having 56K Dial Up & me not able to get Online with my Consoles may now have to Play Inquisition DEFAULT.
 
I know Bioware hasn't revealed everything on Dragon's Keep, but the way things these days & everything in the world running on DSL, Wi-Fi, Broadband. Everything these days is Always Online basically if you have 56k Dial Up you might as well not even be a gamer.

There's no sense in harping in your connection speed and how it affects you. Bioware will either have a solution for this or they won't. That's it. And until we know if they will or not there's no sense in repeating your worry over and over again. Lots of people have voiced concerns and Bioware is aware. I'm sure they'll do everything they can to include as many people as they can.

However, technology is advancing, That's just kind of the way it goes with everything. I'd really suggest looking for alternatives for the future.

[DarthSliver]

 

 

Now can we talk about something fun, like what bizarre quest do you want referenced in keep?

 

I'd like to see Ruck or his mother. I left the tainted Dwarf alive maybe he became something more

The future of Olrais rests on whether or not your Warden talked to Oghren about Schleets.

 

You know something like that is really important, like it will effect all of Theda's important. Its on the level of knowing the Qunari are planning an invasion of Thedas.

[Warden_of_all]

..I know.  I was being mean.  He said the same thing over and over again like 7 times in his post.

I think everyone is getting very tired of him and his issue. That is why I posted about it. I'm very glad someone created a link for him to find out how to hook his console to his dial up. Even though he will most likely just ignore it.

[aaarcher86]

I think everyone is getting very tired of him and his issue. That is why I posted about it. I'm very glad someone created a link for him to find out how to hook his console to his dial up. Even though he will most likely just ignore it.

And post the same thing in 8 days.

[Warden_of_all]

And post the same thing in 8 days.

True true......