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[Celebwen Skye]

Because I haven't spent 40+ hours with that Warden and Hawke. I didn't stop the Archdemon or try and prevent the Templars and Mages kicking off in conflict.

It's purely a mental impression from time invested. I've spent hours with two heroes, shaping a world. There is no way that ticking boxes is going to create the same measure of investment.

But, if you've spent those hours with those heroes, you already have that investment. It's still your worldstate, just a different way of inputting it into the new game.

[CENIC]

Because I haven't spent 40+ hours with that Warden and Hawke. I didn't stop the Archdemon or try and prevent the Templars and Mages kicking off in conflict.

It's purely a mental impression from time invested. I've spent hours with two heroes, shaping a world. There is no way that ticking boxes is going to create the same measure of investment.

If you can acknowledge that the difference between directly importing the save file and making the same decisions you did during your 40+ hour playthrough in the Keep is purely a psychological one... why is it still so unacceptable?

[Whatnow12012]

Cause people want the Old Direct Import over DK, they like Old Direct cause it is simple & easy & available to everyone.

 

The DK App more than likely will be Online being DSL, Wi Fi, or other Limiations on them, we just want the game to have Direct Import cause we don't know how the DK APP will work or what will be required to use the DK APP.

 

While with Direct Import you don't have to worry about that BS, you just do it like previous games did, with DK this changes everything & makes things 10 x more complicated & aggervating to use & to do.

 

Such as Online Deals more than likely will be DSL or Wi Fi while People on Dial Up would have no Options to use DK.

[CENIC]

Cause people want the Old Direct Import over DK, they like Old Direct cause it is simple & easy & available to everyone.
 
The DK App more than likely will be Online being DSL, Wi Fi, or other Limiations on them, we just want the game to have Direct Import cause we don't know how the DK APP will work or what will be required to use the DK APP.
 
While with Direct Import you don't have to worry about that BS, you just do it like previous games did, with DK this changes everything & makes things 10 x more complicated & aggervating to use & to do.
 
Such as Online Deals more than likely will be DSL or Wi Fi while People on Dial Up would have no Options to use DK.

It may make things more aggravating for individuals like yourself who lack wireless internet access, or to people who do not want their consoles connected to the internet for personal reasons. But for others, the Keep is preferable because it will avoid the import bugs that plagued Dragon Age 2 - or, at the very least, make it faster and easier to rectify such bugs, since a webpage will be updated rather than data across four different consoles.

BTW, since you've posted here, I guess I have to post this again!

How to connect your PS3 to a 56K Dial-Up Network with an Ethernet Cable

[Andraste_Reborn]

Not to mention people who have upgraded onto the XBone or PS4, who wouldn't be able to import their saves. And people who have lost their saves due to hard drive death and the like. (There are a few Wardens and Hawkes I'd have lost entirely when my PC died last year if it weren't for the Keep letting me recreate them.)

[aaarcher86]

Without the Keep I wouldn't have a custom world state at all since I've upgraded consoles.

And we actually DO know what's required to use the Keep and how it will work...

[Whatnow12012]

I will more than likely just use Pre-Selected History Choices, Since DK more than likely will not effect anything & more than likely will not make that much of a difference anyways.

 

I see no reason to use DK APP which is why I will play DEFAULT.

 

Thanks Bioware for taking away Normal Direct Import.

[TGx3ljun47]

I am just happy to upload my save files there lol.

[Warden_of_all]

I will more than likely just use Pre-Selected History Choices, Since DK more than likely will not effect anything & more than likely will not make that much of a difference anyways.

 

I see no reason to use DK APP which is why I will play DEFAULT.

 

Thanks Bioware for taking away Normal Direct Import.

Normal Direct Import is buggy and unreliable. That's why they went to the Keep in the first place. It will give you much more control over your world state than you think, and since it is a website you will be able to use it just like you are using this website. It is not an APP.  As for the default world state if you want to use only one world state I guess that is your prerogative. That will just mean that you will only have one world state to play with as apposed to the many different ones you can create with the keep. I think you should at least give it a try when it comes out before discounting it all together. It may surprise you.

[voteDC]

why is it still so unacceptable?

I never said unacceptable. I actually think it is a fair compromise given the change of game engine.

Yet a compromise it is. It isn't the same as importing that game. There isn't the same connection to that world from 40+ hours of gameplay as there is spending 30 minutes ticking boxes.

 

But, if you've spent those hours with those heroes, you already have that investment. It's still your worldstate, just a different way of inputting it into the new game.

To use a phrase often used about another Bioware game "it's the journey that counts."

Yes I may be able to create a mirror image of my world state in The Keep, yet how I reached that state will always be in the back of my mind.

[puppy maclove]

Hey... any idea when they plan to release the DA Keep to the public or announce a release date? 

[Ruairi46]

If their is a dragon age 4, I hope they really don't do a keep of inquisition. I want it to force me to go back to the game to replay as I've done so much with the first two installments. Keep is important now for players like me who are moving to next gen, but I doubt a dragon age will be on the xbox one: two. so yeah...

[dutch_gamer]

Hey... any idea when they plan to release the DA Keep to the public or announce a release date?

No. It was stated in this thread they will announce a date once they have set a date.

@Whatnow

You stated before you could take your console to a friend to access the Keep, how come you still keep repeating the same exact things as always? People have also given you all the advice you need so why not just use said advice instead of repeating the same rant? It is the same as you have been told numerous times already the Keep is not an app but a website accessible for anyone with any Internet speed, just as you can access this forum. The Keep also doesn't generate a save file, as was my first assumption and it may based on the latest Bioware comments be some kind of generated code (we won't see the code but that is what the Keep will send to the game client, think of CC code).

I am certain that for a DA4 they will again use the Keep because that is the whole point of the Keep to get rid off the issues with save games all together for future installments of the series

[King Cousland]

If their is a dragon age 4, I hope they really don't do a keep of inquisition. I want it to force me to go back to the game to replay as I've done so much with the first two installments. Keep is important now for players like me who are moving to next gen, but I doubt a dragon age will be on the xbox one: two. so yeah...

 

Highly unlikely. I believe they've already stated the Keep is intended as a long-term solution which would allow players to import into any future games. 

[BobZilla84]

You know the direct imports should be an option on 360 & PS3 but the keep is a must for the people who upgraded or are planning on it like myself.

 

I hope the Keep is opened up sooner rather than later because the wait is killing me.

 

I am hoping I get in the Beta but I wont hold my breath I signed up on day one and nothing I have applyed when new waves are sent out but still no invite so I am hoping we all get in soon.

 

B-Ware make it so

[dutch_gamer]

You know the direct imports should be an option on 360 & PS3 but the keep is a must for the people who upgraded or are planning on it like myself.

It can't be an option because of the many bugs. If it were easy to fix the plot flag issues they would have fixed it already but yet they haven't. Even with last gen consoles the Keep will work. For people with only a modem there are solutions as well but if one refuses to actually utilize the advice given they only have themselves to blame.

[Ieldra]

Yet a compromise it is. It isn't the same as importing that game. There isn't the same connection to that world from 40+ hours of gameplay as there is spending 30 minutes ticking boxes.

 

To use a phrase often used about another Bioware game "it's the journey that counts."

Yes I may be able to create a mirror image of my world state in The Keep, yet how I reached that state will always be in the back of my mind.

If it's in the back of your mind even when you create a mirror in the DA Keep, why is it inferior?

 

I very much agree that a world state you create *only* in the Keep does not provide the same connection as one you've created by playing the games, but how you get a world state you created by playing into the new game is a mere technicality. It doesn't change that you actually played the games, and you always know.

 

Edit:

One more thing: once the system is in place, I suspect you'll be able to export your DAI decisions and play any sequel without having to manually touch the Keep again. Almost like a direct import with your final save stored in the Keep. I don't think it will feel different. The advantage is that working like this, retroactive consistency checks become possible and you'll be independent from specific gaming platforms. Of course, the system has to start somewhere, and that's where we are right now.

[Fearsome1]

But, if you've spent those hours with those heroes, you already have that investment. It's still your worldstate, just a different way of inputting it into the new game.

 

I have absolutely no problem with what the Keep has been inferred to be. I appreciate all of my old save files (and the playthroughs that created that content), but the possibility of selecting whichever world state I choose - whether to recreate a previous save or to opt for circumstances that I may not have actively indulged in before - sounds elegantly fabulous to me. I have no idea why this would be problematic for others, with a single caveat for anyone unable to actually connect online. That sucks, but given the real world, it is probably the fewest total customers to worry about.

[aaarcher86]

I will more than likely just use Pre-Selected History Choices, Since DK more than likely will not effect anything & more than likely will not make that much of a difference anyways.
 
I see no reason to use DK APP which is why I will play DEFAULT.
 
Thanks Bioware for taking away Normal Direct Import.

By all means, use default if you'd like. But to think the choices in the Keep won't make significant differences is silly. They aren't adding hundreds of plot flags for nothing.

[Heimdall]

I believe I heard that the Keep, if your connected while you play Inquisition, will update an Inquisition section automatically as we go on. Don't quote me on that though.

[aaarcher86]

I believe I heard that the Keep, if your connected while you play Inquisition, will update an Inquisition section automatically as we go on. Don't quote me on that though.

I recall something along those lines as well.

[Amy326]

I recall something along those lines as well.

Ditto. ^.^

[AlanC9]

Edit: More of a "let's make sure we tie up (or at least acknowledge) all the loose ends we can find" and less of a "let's make a huge quest centered solely around King Alistair and Queen Warden because the majority of fans had that outcome." while neglecting some sort of alternative for people who had a different outcome. If that makes sense.

OK, but what do tracking data or the Keep have to do with this? Loose ends are loose ends whether you know the percentage of players who played them or not. Although I guess you can skip one if the data shows that zero players chose that option.

[AlanC9]

To use a phrase often used about another Bioware game "it's the journey that counts."
Yes I may be able to create a mirror image of my world state in The Keep, yet how I reached that state will always be in the back of my mind.

I don't follow the thought process. (Or is it something other than thought? )If the data is the same, what's the difference?

[AlanC9]

Edit:
One more thing: once the system is in place, I suspect you'll be able to export your DAI decisions and play any sequel without having to manually touch the Keep again. Almost like a direct import with your final save stored in the Keep. I don't think it will feel different. The advantage is that working like this, retroactive consistency checks become possible and you'll be independent from specific gaming platforms. Of course, the system has to start somewhere, and that's where we are right now.

And presumably if DAI fails to set some variable correctly, they can flag that value in the Keep for a player edit. Of course, the plan will be to not botch any of those in the first place, but it's nice to have a way to fix them.