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[tipper111]

im very excited to get my hands on the keep and put in all my decisions, 

 

I  don't understand the complaining of something we haven't even got our hands on to see . I will be getting this on ps4 so its the only way I can recreate my saves and they have already said you log in ONCE to import ur decisions and that's it , you don't need to be connected all the time and you can put it on usb and transfer to ur game that way aswell.

 

I am assuming if you played the others on lets say xbox360 and get inquisition on xbox360 then you should be able to just import the files without needing the keep. the keep is more for ps4 and xbox one users . or if you want to create a world state with decisions you never made without having to replay the other games.

 

everyone should be happy we get this extra type of content which we will get before the game is out so think of it as a bonus and you don't even need to use if if u hate it that much.

[Iakus]

 

To use a phrase often used about another Bioware game "it's the journey that counts."

Yes I may be able to create a mirror image of my world state in The Keep, yet how I reached that state will always be in the back of my mind.

I've hated that phrase since that game.

 

But in this case, you can have both.  I mean, the games are still there, you can still play them.  You just won't need to play 80-100 hours worth of it to create the state you want for DAI.  If you want to play DAO, you can play it without worrying about what it will do to future imports.

 

For myself, thoug, the Keep will be essentially to recreate my own DAO and DA2 saves.  I reached those states by playing the game.  The Keep will simply be recording the deeds of past heroes

[movieguyabw]

OK, but what do tracking data or the Keep have to do with this? Loose ends are loose ends whether you know the percentage of players who played them or not. Although I guess you can skip one if the data shows that zero players chose that option.

 

The Keep has to do with this because people are likely to have combinations that the devs never really thought of, and they'd now be able to see those combinations, where they wouldn't have before.

 

Tracking percentage for the sake of driving the story by majority rule was what I was arguing against.  So yeah, tracking data has absolutely nothing to do with what I was suggesting...  Which was the point. 

[aaarcher86]

I never said unacceptable. I actually think it is a fair compromise given the change of game engine.
Yet a compromise it is. It isn't the same as importing that game. There isn't the same connection to that world from 40+ hours of gameplay as there is spending 30 minutes ticking boxes.


To use a phrase often used about another Bioware game "it's the journey that counts."
Yes I may be able to create a mirror image of my world state in The Keep, yet how I reached that state will always be in the back of my mind.

But you still took that journey. You still felt the feelings, had the same revelations, resolved the same problems. Having the Keep doesn't take away from what you experienced.

Are you really saying that in DAI when Varric mentions that Hawke gutted Anders that you won't remember how it felt to play that moment and make that choice? All because the computer system didn't auto generate that you had done that and you had to click a check box instead?

I don't see how this can be anymore invalidating than killing Zevran in DAO only to have him show up in DA2.

[Wulfram]

Magic tricks work best when you can't see how they're done.

[aaarcher86]

 
I am assuming if you played the others on lets say xbox360 and get inquisition on xbox360 then you should be able to just import the files without needing the keep. the keep is more for ps4 and xbox one users . or if you want to create a world state with decisions you never made without having to replay the other games.
 

Plot flags importing on these systems were already bugged and not importing correctly. Bringing them through to DAI would cause even more issues. The Keep corrects that for players playing on those systems as well.

[Warden_of_all]

im very excited to get my hands on the keep and put in all my decisions, 

 

I  don't understand the complaining of something we haven't even got our hands on to see . I will be getting this on ps4 so its the only way I can recreate my saves and they have already said you log in ONCE to import ur decisions and that's it , you don't need to be connected all the time and you can put it on usb and transfer to ur game that way aswell.

 

I am assuming if you played the others on lets say xbox360 and get inquisition on xbox360 then you should be able to just import the files without needing the keep. the keep is more for ps4 and xbox one users . or if you want to create a world state with decisions you never made without having to replay the other games.

 

everyone should be happy we get this extra type of content which we will get before the game is out so think of it as a bonus and you don't even need to use if if u hate it that much.

I completely agree with not understanding the complaining, but there is a lot that you have stated here that is not correct.

 

 1. There is no usb option as of yet. This is something people want but they have stated that a file is not created so I don't see it happening.

 

 2. There is no direct import available on any platform. They have stated that direct import is not going to be used because of buggy flags in the save files from previous games.

 

 Sorry if this info changes your mind about the keep, but I find it better if people know what is actually supported. 

[AlanC9]

The Keep has to do with this because people are likely to have combinations that the devs never really thought of, and they'd now be able to see those combinations, where they wouldn't have before.
 

I still don't see the mechanism. How does the Keep make combinations more evident to the devs?

[Warden_of_all]

I still don't see the mechanism. How does the Keep make combinations more evident to the devs?

The Keep updates with the decisions we make in the game as we play( as long as you are logged into your origin account). They can see what we have done. We can also share our experiences with others.

[G22WARRIOR]

How often are beta invites being sent out?

[voteDC]

If it's in the back of your mind even when you create a mirror in the DA Keep, why is it inferior?

Because the fact that the world was recreated with The Keep will always be in the back of my mind. That is why, to me, I find it an 'inferior' to use your word system.

As I said before though it is a good compromise.

 

I don't follow the thought process. (Or is it something other than thought? )If the data is the same, what's the difference?

I can't explain it in any other way than I have. I thought that it was pretty clear.

Playing games for 40+ hours gives more of a connection than checking boxes on a list.

If you find that for you it gives that same level of connection, then that's great. Hell when I get to use The Keep I may be proven wrong, I hope I am.

[Devtek]

Like others I don't really get your sense of disconnect with the keep data compared to your save data. I like to think of the keep as writing a story down explaining your experience, like a diary or journal. You still have the exact same experience that you always had but you are now writing it down for posterity. But obviously you have some sort aversion to something that in the end will provide an equal DAI game that you would have gotten with a save file import, but without as many bugs. It is still your world, your game. You lose nothing via this process. You feel differently, just don't know why.

As for beta invites G22, they go out infrequently and are usually accompanied by multiple sad panda/kitten/beaver posts in this and the twitter thread.

[G22WARRIOR]

Don't know what the problem is with some people not liking the keep, It's not like your previous games are invalid

because you'll be shaping the world state from the choices you chose in the previous games.

In the end whether you feel that you have no connection to that world state because your PC didn't create the overall

outcome have no bearing on this game because it's about a new protagonist who has no connection to the Warden or Hawke

and even if they come into the series again at some point the choices you chose will be reflected on both Warden and Hawke

because that's how they got there personalities. 

 

This is my own opinion though so you can disagree if you wish.

[G22WARRIOR]

Like others I don't really get your sense of disconnect with the keep data compared to your save data. I like to think of the keep as writing a story down explaining your experience, like a diary or journal. You still have the exact same experience that you always had but you are now writing it down for posterity. But obviously you have some sort aversion to something that in the end will provide an equal DAI game that you would have gotten with a save file import, but without as many bugs. It is still your world, your game. You lose nothing via this process. You feel differently, just don't know why.

As for beta invites G22, they go out infrequently and are usually accompanied by multiple sad panda/kitten/beaver posts in this and the twitter thread.

 

Thanks Devtek

 

I have noticed the many sad panda/kitten/beaver posts when people don't get an invite

either way we will all be on the keep when it's released.

[In Exile]

Because the fact that the world was recreated with The Keep will always be in the back of my mind. That is why, to me, I find it an 'inferior' to use your word system.
As I said before though it is a good compromise.
 

I can't explain it in any other way than I have. I thought that it was pretty clear.
Playing games for 40+ hours gives more of a connection than checking boxes on a list.
If you find that for you it gives that same level of connection, then that's great. Hell when I get to use The Keep I may be proven wrong, I hope I am.

But you did play the game for 40 hours. This is where the confusion comes from. The world state isn't randomly generated by the keep. You actively enter the choices that you made.

[Whatnow12012]

I don't see the point of using the Keep, it will probably work & be worse than Direct Import was anyways, I see it not effecting anything & also more than likely will be pretty much useless.

 

So I may just play the game Barebone & Default, if The Warden & Hawke make Cameo's It wouldn't be my Hawke & Warden anyways, so I see no reason to use KEEP. It wouldn't be my Original Warden & Hawke anyways.

 

On Default I learned that Warden will be a Elf, while Hawke will be a Mage who sided with the Mages but unknown which gender Hawke will be.

 

Regarding Origins Warden this makes sense that we may see him again considering the Wardens have a Big role in the game & the same with Hawke & the Mages. I assume these would be very Brief Cameo's being like a key moment in the game.

 

Sort of you meet Flemeth in DA 2, I think Inquisition will be FIne as is, playing the game on Default. or using the game's Pre-Selection choices if the game will have that option.

 

I didn't expect Direct Import 1 The game uses Frost Bite 3, 2 the game is on Multiple Consoles so this kinda of Kicked Direct Import in the nuts.

 

I always suspected I would be forced to play Inquisition on DEFAULT, which I plan on doing on Day 1 anyways, I need more info on the Keep.

 

Until I have all Details I will just play Inquisition as is. I will do the DLC Content that comes with my Deluxe.

 

Does anyone know if the Deluxe will include Story DLC or is this Content like the Throne, Armors, Weapons.

 

Cant wait Love this game & I haven't even played it yet.

 

I assume the PS3 version will look good using my HDMI cable on my 50 Inch 1080p FULL TV.

[Warden_of_all]

I don't see the point of using the Keep, it will probably work & be worse than Direct Import was anyways, I see it not effecting anything & also more than likely will be pretty much useless.

 

So I may just play the game Barebone & Default, if The Warden & Hawke make Cameo's It wouldn't be my Hawke & Warden anyways, so I see no reason to use KEEP. It wouldn't be my Original Warden & Hawke anyways.

 

On Default I learned that Warden will be a Elf, while Hawke will be a Mage who sided with the Mages but unknown which gender Hawke will be.

 

Regarding Origins Warden this makes sense that we may see him again considering the Wardens have a Big role in the game & the same with Hawke & the Mages. I assume these would be very Brief Cameo's being like a key moment in the game.

 

Sort of you meet Flemeth in DA 2, I think Inquisition will be FIne as is, playing the game on Default. or using the game's Pre-Selection choices if the game will have that option.

 

I didn't expect Direct Import 1 The game uses Frost Bite 3, 2 the game is on Multiple Consoles so this kinda of Kicked Direct Import in the nuts.

 

I always suspected I would be forced to play Inquisition on DEFAULT, which I plan on doing on Day 1 anyways, I need more info on the Keep.

 

Until I have all Details I will just play Inquisition as is. I will do the DLC Content that comes with my Deluxe.

 

Does anyone know if the Deluxe will include Story DLC or is this Content like the Throne, Armors, Weapons.

 

Cant wait Love this game & I haven't even played it yet.

 

I assume the PS3 version will look good using my HDMI cable on my 50 Inch 1080p FULL TV.

Are you trying to convince yourself that the Keep is not something you want to use? I remember when you were complaining that you were mad that you couldn't use it, because of having a 56K line and not Broadband. We all told you that you could use it and gave you several different ways to accomplish it. Now your saying you don't want to use it because it isn't worth it.

 

I'm sorry, but I find your arguments to be quite delusional. 

 

As far as dlc is concerned they haven't said yet.

 

As far as looking good. It will look ok with your setup, but it will look better on PC, or on a next gen system like the PS4 or Xbone.

[voteDC]

I've hated that phrase since that game.

 

But in this case, you can have both.  I mean, the games are still there, you can still play them.  You just won't need to play 80-100 hours worth of it to create the state you want for DAI.  If you want to play DAO, you can play it without worrying about what it will do to future imports.

 

For myself, thoug, the Keep will be essentially to recreate my own DAO and DA2 saves.  I reached those states by playing the game.  The Keep will simply be recording the deeds of past heroes

 

You know I agree with you about that game. However in this case it is somewhat different.

In that game your choices from play were reflected, however poorly, and in those occasions where glitches occurred, they attempted to correct those errors in game.

For me though, as I've said before, as close as I get with The Keep. I'll never really have the impression that it is my world.

 

But you still took that journey. You still felt the feelings, had the same revelations, resolved the same problems. Having the Keep doesn't take away from what you experienced.

Are you really saying that in DAI when Varric mentions that Hawke gutted Anders that you won't remember how it felt to play that moment and make that choice? All because the computer system didn't auto generate that you had done that and you had to click a check box instead?

I don't see how this can be anymore invalidating than killing Zevran in DAO only to have him show up in DA2.

Or Leliana growing her head back.

Absolutely I agree with you that The Keep does not invalidate an Origins or DAII play through. That is not my point.

I am simply putting across my feelings on the matter. I prefer the combat in Mass Effect 1 for example to the two sequels, most however would say that those games were a great improvement. Neither of us are wrong as we have different wants, needs, and impressions.

 

But you did play the game for 40 hours. This is where the confusion comes from. The world state isn't randomly generated by the keep. You actively enter the choices that you made.

Just as I have the option to input choices into the two 'Genesis' DLCs for the Mass Effect games. Yet no-one would say that those are the same as playing the previous games.

I get the impression that people seem to think that I am 'hating' on The Keep. This is not the case.

I love the Dragon Age games. I want The Keep to be excellent. I want it to prove me wrong and provide the same feeling as playing the previous games when importing into Inquisition. I would like nothing better to look back at this thread in the future and be able to say "boy I was wrong about that."

All I am doing is putting across my feelings at this point in time. These are my feelings alone, I am in no way trying to force them onto others.

[Warden_of_all]

 

Just as I have the option to input choices into the two 'Genesis' DLCs for the Mass Effect games. Yet no-one would say that those are the same as playing the previous games.

I find the two genesis dlcs to be quite non-comprehensive. That is why they don't have the same impact as playing the games. The keep has a lot more choices to it, instead of five for the first genesis and another five for the second. There were so many more choices that were left out. You can't really compare the keep to the genesis dlcs. The Keep will be quite a bit more comprehensive, which in turn will flesh out the story a lot more.

[voteDC]

I seem to be poorly explaining my feelings on this matter,

You will all I hope forgive me if I take some time to consider how to more accurately put them.

[aaarcher86]

I don't see the point of using the Keep, it will probably work & be worse than Direct Import was anyways, I see it not effecting anything & also more than likely will be pretty much useless.
 
So I may just play the game Barebone & Default, if The Warden & Hawke make Cameo's It wouldn't be my Hawke & Warden anyways, so I see no reason to use KEEP. It wouldn't be my Original Warden & Hawke anyways.
 
On Default I learned that Warden will be a Elf, while Hawke will be a Mage who sided with the Mages but unknown which gender Hawke will be.
 
Regarding Origins Warden this makes sense that we may see him again considering the Wardens have a Big role in the game & the same with Hawke & the Mages. I assume these would be very Brief Cameo's being like a key moment in the game.
 
Sort of you meet Flemeth in DA 2, I think Inquisition will be FIne as is, playing the game on Default. or using the game's Pre-Selection choices if the game will have that option.
 
I didn't expect Direct Import 1 The game uses Frost Bite 3, 2 the game is on Multiple Consoles so this kinda of Kicked Direct Import in the nuts.
 
I always suspected I would be forced to play Inquisition on DEFAULT, which I plan on doing on Day 1 anyways, I need more info on the Keep.
 
Until I have all Details I will just play Inquisition as is. I will do the DLC Content that comes with my Deluxe.
 
Does anyone know if the Deluxe will include Story DLC or is this Content like the Throne, Armors, Weapons.
 
Cant wait Love this game & I haven't even played it yet.
 

I assume the PS3 version will look good using my HDMI cable on my 50 Inch 1080p FULL TV.

I have no idea why you think the choices input via the Keep won't make an impact. Deductive reasoning should tell you that the Devs wouldn't be putting this much time and effort into something like this for it not to make an impact. Any bugged plot flags from the a Keep can be easily fixed by BW versus the flags that are directly imported.

They haven't said what additional DLC will be available on the deluxe version yet.

[aaarcher86]

I seem to be poorly explaining my feelings on this matter,
Youmwill all I hope forgive me if I take some time to consider how to more accurately put them.

No big deal Sometimes it's hard to put feelings into words.

[KC_Prototype]

Everybody got a Keep invite and I'm just like...

 

[Whatnow12012]

Like I said, I plan on just doing the games DLC Add-Ons, over at my relatives home, if I can make a Keep World state on the Dragon's Keep Wesbite here at home using my Laptop then when I go to my relatives when I do the DLC.

 

I would be able to Logon to my PS3 the PS3 would then be able to Upload my Keep World State from my EA/Origins Account, when I log on to Inquisition when I do the DLC Content.

 

If the Keep is a Simple Process like that I would be happy to do & to use the Keep, but I am still confused on what the keep will actually be & what the keep will actually do.

 

I heard the Keep would be like a Survey then I heard it is a Modifier that Fixes your Current Saves then Uploads them, I don't know this is the part I am confused on & about. Then I heard it could be something like Mass Effect 2's GENESIS Comic.

 

This is the main deal on Dragon's Keep I am confused on which is why I am a little bit iffy on using it. Cause I don't understand the specifics of the Keep.

 

Such as is this a Question deal like a Survey, Is this a Inter-Active Comic, is this a Save Modifier. I don't know.

 

Until I fully Understand I plan on playing Inquisition AS IS or using Selection Options.

[MarchWaltz]

I believe Patrick Weeks said there were around 300 decisions to be made in the keep.

 

I wonder if that is in the same spirit as mass effect 3 and the "30 different casey hudson" endings, which came out to 3 ACTUAL endings.