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[movieguyabw]

Yeah, I saw that too, Jawzzus.  However, the poster did claim that he may have misheard; and as none of the other information they gave was new, I'm inclined to believe that was the case and there won't be any import feature for the Keep.

[AVPen]

An import feature would hold up with the one and only thing I've heard about the Keep from someone who's testing the Keep beta - he wouldn't say anything specific or detailed (due to the NDA) but the one sole piece of advice he would give was "do not delete your previous DA save data".

[riverbanks]

Considering how just about every plot and relationship flags were broken between Origins, Awakening and Witch Hunt, and whatever wasn't broken by there DA2 did the final job at breaking, importing a save into the Keep or not seems like it would take the same amount work in the end - start from scratch filling all the fields as you go, or import a save that autofills every flag wrong, you still have to go over every choice to make sure they're set right either way.

[Sanunes]

Yeah, I saw that too, Jawzzus.  However, the poster did claim that he may have misheard; and as none of the other information they gave was new, I'm inclined to believe that was the case and there won't be any import feature for the Keep.

 

The problem I have with that statement is (I admit it was an interview eight months ago) they are trying to treat all platforms and users equally when it comes to the keep. For they have to keep in mind all their users and with the PC users there is a wide range of technical knowledge present and what might be simple for some get very frustrating for others.

[Magdalena11]

An import feature would hold up with the one and only thing I've heard about the Keep from someone who's testing the Keep beta - he wouldn't say anything specific or detailed (due to the NDA) but the one sole piece of advice he would give was "do not delete your previous DA save data".

This is troubling.  I've got my save data on the machine but can't upload characters.  After reading the FAQ and following instructions, as well as checking BSN for solutions, I gave up and accepted it.  Hawkes went in fine.  I guess all my DAO imports are going to be Aedan Couseland, the warrior.  That might be confusing.  I don't care what my wardens look like, just as long as I get to input their data under their actual names, races and classes

 

It's not a lot to go on and still 3 months to go.  More information be available later..

[DiscoGhost]

its been 9 days! round of beta invites please! 

[Sarffe]

They sent out invites two days ago.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

As someone who provides player-to-player support for Dragon Age: Origins on three different internet forums, I can tell you that the number of times people get confused when told they have to "log-on to Origin" to fix something is astounding!  I've taken to always, always, always  writing "EA/Origin" when I mean the client. 

 

And the only reason for the mix-up is that... "The right- hand of EA (the EADM 'upgrade' team) didn't know what the left-hand (BioWare studios and their ALREADY-RELEASED-before-EA/Origin-even-existed  product) was doing."  Some marketing/branding guy should have been fired over that mistake. 

 

EA had the "Origin" trademark sitting around doing nothing *long* before DAO was released, and they needed a simple, catchy name for this new service that needed to compete with Steam. The marketing guy who figured this out probably got a well-deserved promotion.

 

That's exactly my point.  The marketing guy thought s/he'd found an easy way to do the job assigned: "Find a name for the re-designed/re-branded EADM."  Heck, with this one EA even already owned the rights.  Never mind checking to see it would create confusion/conflict with any of EA's other products!  (A step taught in "Trademark-101.")

 

That should have been a RGE, (resume-generating event) not a promotion case! 

[dutch_gamer]

The name Origin is fine. It is like the confusion with the name Qunari which is almost always clear through the context. And most of the time the first Dragon Age is referred to as DAO instead of Origins. So no I don't remotely see an issue with the Origin name being used which should more than not be referred to as the Origin account when you have to log in, which again because of context can't be confused with a game often being called DAO.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

The name Origin is fine. It is like the confusion with the name Qunari which is almost always clear through the context. And most of the time the first Dragon Age is referred to as DAO instead of Origins. So no I don't remotely see an issue with the Origin name being used which should more than not be referred to as the Origin account when you have to log in, which again because of context can't be confused with a game often being called DAO.

 

You must not ever have had to explain to people why they can't seem to find their DLC even though they're "...logged-in to Origin and everything."  Which is exactly what they post in the Help forums.

 

It's not that *I*  don't know the difference, it's all the folk having problems.  When the first thing the troubleshooter, (whether an "official" EA Game Advisor or just one of we fellow gamers) has to do is sort out what was meant by "Origin", it's a massive fail.  And it was totally avoidable.

 

Plus, given its function I think it's a pretty lame title anyway.  (But that's neither here-nor-there.)

[pdusen]

You must not ever have had to explain to people why they can't seem to find their DLC even though they're "...logged-in to Origin and everything."  Which is exactly what they post in the Help forums.

 

It's not that *I*  don't know the difference, it's all the folk having problems.  When the first thing the troubleshooter, (whether an "official" EA Game Advisor or just one of we fellow gamers) has to do is sort out what was meant by "Origin", it's a massive fail.  And it was totally avoidable.

 

Plus, given its function I think it's a pretty lame title anyway.  (But that's neither here-nor-there.)

 

I think you're suffering from an instance of sampling bias. Because you hang around in help forums, you see issues like this way more often, making it seem like a far bigger problem to you than it really is.

 

In reality, this confusion doesn't happen all that much, because outside of these types of forums, most people (in my experience, anyway) refer to DAO as just Dragon Age, and leave out the origins title entirely.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I think you're suffering from an instance of sampling bias. Because you hang around in help forums, you see issues like this way more often, making it seem like a far bigger problem to you than it really is.

 

In reality, this confusion doesn't happen all that much, because outside of these types of forums, most people (in my experience, anyway) refer to DAO as just Dragon Age, and leave out the origins title entirely.

 

You are totally correct that "outside of the these types of forums" it's not much of an issue. 

But guess where we are! 

 

And as I said, there was really no excuse for it.  If the marketing/branding wonk had done the basics, it would never have happened.

[Eralrik]

Origin was originally Robert & Richard Garriotts company otherwise known as Origin Systems, Inc where Chris Roberts Worked also, the company was bought out in 92 I think By EA and around 98 or 99 I believe EA canceled and shutdown Origin and eventually reopened Origin as an online only front end and store as they had the company name sitting around.

Don't quote me on this I'm probably just guessing after being awake 52 hours my mind is sluggish!

[Beerfish]

Dirty pool BioWare!  After being away for about a week I open my email and see an email from BioWare titled 'You Have Been Chosen."  Ends up it is some promo thing to do with that Nightmare teaser trailer.    

[Mirdarion]

Origin was originally Robert & Richard Garriotts company otherwise known as Origin Systems, Inc where Chris Roberts Worked also, the company was bought out in 92 I think By EA and around 98 or 99 I believe EA canceled and shutdown Origin and eventually reopened Origin as an online only front end and store as they had the company name sitting around.
Don't quote me on this I'm probably just guessing after being awake 52 hours my mind is sluggish!

 
You too slow mate...


 

Dirty pool BioWare!  After being away for about a week I open my email and see an email from BioWare titled 'You Have Been Chosen."  Ends up it is some promo thing to do with that Nightmare teaser trailer.    

 

I actually had trouble not to laugh during that trailer. If that's their kind of Horror we should expect, I might even buy it.

[AlanC9]

Plus, given its function I think it's a pretty lame title anyway. (But that's neither here-nor-there.)

Actually, that's the substance of it. EA liked Origin as a name for their Steam equivalent. The fact that that name would cause a small problem with one of their already-published products probably didn't seem significant, neither then nor now.

How many copies of DAO are even registered with the user's Origin install, anyway? I've never seen any reason to do it. And if this hasn't been done, where does the confusion come in?

[FenrirBlackDragon]

A friend of mine is concerned about the Keep crashing on release day since a lot of people will try to access it to get their world states. I am not too worried, but I have to wonder if they are doing anything to circumvent this problem that occurs with games that have online components to them.

[Bellanaris88]

I'm actually not that concerned. It's a website as is the forum here. They can handle the traffic here, so why not the Keep, beside all hardcore fans on this forum, will create their world states before DA:I releases.

As of the download of our world states, they said, that it's not actually a file, so it shouldn't be a problem.

[Jawzzus]

A friend of mine is concerned about the Keep crashing on release day since a lot of people will try to access it to get their world states. I am not too worried, but I have to wonder if they are doing anything to circumvent this problem that occurs with games that have online components to them.

 

They will be doing stress tests, the big test will be the first day they open it up to everyone.  All the people who haven't gotten in will flood there, so I think if it can handle that day then it'll handle any others

[pdusen]

You are totally correct that "outside of the these types of forums" it's not much of an issue. 

But guess where we are! 

 

And as I said, there was really no excuse for it.  If the marketing/branding wonk had done the basics, it would never have happened.

 

There's a very basic and straightforward excuse: it's not a big problem. It's probably not even a blip on anyone's radar, except for people who answer that specific question on that forum.

 

Even if they did think of it, EA wasn't going to go with an entirely different branding strategy just because there was a slight possibility that some forumgoers wouldn't be able to distinguish between "Origin" and "Dragon Age: Origins". That's an absurd suggestion.

[TheodoricFriede]

Personally I hope there is a downloadable version of the Keep. Both directly to consoles or to PC.

 

Because when they inevitably stop supporting the transfers a few years down the line, I want to be able to import world states.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

There's a very basic and straightforward excuse: it's not a big problem. It's probably not even a blip on anyone's radar, except for people who answer that specific question on that forum.

 

Even if they did think of it, EA wasn't going to go with an entirely different branding strategy just because there was a slight possibility that some forumgoers wouldn't be able to distinguish between "Origin" and "Dragon Age: Origins". That's an absurd suggestion.

 

Key goals of any branding effort are to achieve "uniqueness" and avoid confusion. 

As already noted:  "Origin" fails on both counts.

[Sanunes]

Personally I hope there is a downloadable version of the Keep. Both directly to consoles or to PC.

 

Because when they inevitably stop supporting the transfers a few years down the line, I want to be able to import world states.

 

There won't be at least for awhile, but I am pretty sure they will have something in the works for if they ever sunset the servers.  Just to keep in mind something like The Keep is probably a lot less resource intensive then running a multiplayer server, it just needs more storage space and that could be considered debatable if not a lot of people create imports.

[ThaWitchKing]

I was looking at my email and i got a email from bioware saying chosen i was like YEA FINALLY i open it and it turns out it not about the keep

[pdusen]

Key goals of any branding effort are to achieve "uniqueness" and avoid confusion. 

As already noted:  "Origin" fails on both counts.

 

That's the most... alright, forget it. I'm out.