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[Lebanese Dude]

Ah... so this is a question regarding something you see in the keep now... Which means you're in the closed beta... Which means this question doesn't belong in this thread, but in a thread in the beta testers forum...

 

Oops.

[Al Foley]

So for the open beta coming out will we be able to use the imports/ world states we create during it to import into the game itself or will we have to wait till the official release?

[Shadelon]

So for the open beta coming out will we be able to use the imports/ world states we create during it to import into the game itself or will we have to wait till the official release?

Yes.

[AshenEndymion]

So for the open beta coming out will we be able to use the imports/ world states we create during it to import into the game itself or will we have to wait till the official release?

 
To clarify, your question is this:  Will the world states you create in the Keep during the open beta be deleted when the Keep is officially released?

The answer is no.  Or, at least, that's the answer from the latest Keep Q&A Twitch stream.  It may change, but they try to be consistent in not saying things unless it's accurate.

[Shadowson]

So for the open beta coming out will we be able to use the imports/ world states we create during it to import into the game itself or will we have to wait till the official release?

 

here is fernando's answer to your question

 

 

 

There's no plans to wipe, so what is there should be what you can use with DAI.  That could change, as things are in a beta after all, but so far we've been fortunate in how its been built that we have not needed to, even as we expand the story choices available thanks to the beta feedback - so i'm not expecting that it would change at this point.

[sworddancer777]

So I have come to understand, contrary to what I had previously seen stated elsewhere, that there will be no save game importing and that if I want to play a game of Inquisition based on my previous playthroughs of the other games, that I have to recreate them from the ground up using Keep. Then what was the point of even playing through the other games in the first place? It's been over a year since I played Dragon Age II, and I'm certain I'm not going to remember down to the finest detail every decision I made in that game. This is exactly the sort of thing that save importing was supposed to take care of for me. I have a terrible memory, and I know I'm going to get something wrong. Honestly, the more I find out about Keep, the less I want to play this game at all, because it just sounds needlessly complicated and really kind of awful.

[Shadowson]

So I have come to understand, contrary to what I had previously seen stated elsewhere, that there will be no save game importing and that if I want to play a game of Inquisition based on my previous playthroughs of the other games, that I have to recreate them from the ground up using Keep. Then what was the point of even playing through the other games in the first place? It's been over a year since I played Dragon Age II, and I'm certain I'm not going to remember down to the finest detail every decision I made in that game. This is exactly the sort of thing that save importing was supposed to take care of for me. I have a terrible memory, and I know I'm going to get something wrong. Honestly, the more I find out about Keep, the less I want to play this game at all, because it just sounds needlessly complicated and really kind of awful.

 

ok. well you can find out either way tomorrow.

[Kantr]

So I have come to understand, contrary to what I had previously seen stated elsewhere, that there will be no save game importing and that if I want to play a game of Inquisition based on my previous playthroughs of the other games, that I have to recreate them from the ground up using Keep. Then what was the point of even playing through the other games in the first place? It's been over a year since I played Dragon Age II, and I'm certain I'm not going to remember down to the finest detail every decision I made in that game. This is exactly the sort of thing that save importing was supposed to take care of for me. I have a terrible memory, and I know I'm going to get something wrong. Honestly, the more I find out about Keep, the less I want to play this game at all, because it just sounds needlessly complicated and really kind of awful.

You play for fun. Then you use the wiki for the smaller details.

 

Save importing did not work properly in the second game and the time and energy making it work for inqui (which people on a new console/new to the game) would not have. Went into making the game better and making a much better way of tracking everything you did.

[AlexJK]

Then what was the point of even playing through the other games in the first place?

If there is anyone out there who really believes that the "point" of DAO and DA2 were simply to act as save game generators for DAI, then I would invite you kindly to stop trolling and go away.

Thanks.

[sworddancer777]

If there is anyone out there who really believes that the "point" of DAO and DA2 were simply to act as save game generators for DAI, then I would invite you kindly to stop trolling and go away.

Thanks.

 

Then it would be nice if BioWare would at least own up to the fact that we're not playing DA:I with a world based on the decisions we've made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions we've made before. They make a big deal about the choices you make influencing the game world, but I'm not seeing evidence of that with how this has all been explained to work. The moment I can't remember something I did or didn't do and miss tripping the appropriate flag in Keep, that's not my game world anymore.

[Ranadiel Marius]

So I have come to understand, contrary to what I had previously seen stated elsewhere, that there will be no save game importing and that if I want to play a game of Inquisition based on my previous playthroughs of the other games, that I have to recreate them from the ground up using Keep. Then what was the point of even playing through the other games in the first place? It's been over a year since I played Dragon Age II, and I'm certain I'm not going to remember down to the finest detail every decision I made in that game. This is exactly the sort of thing that save importing was supposed to take care of for me. I have a terrible memory, and I know I'm going to get something wrong. Honestly, the more I find out about Keep, the less I want to play this game at all, because it just sounds needlessly complicated and really kind of awful.

Yes well save importing was bugged and resulted in a lot of plot data being discarded preventing those plots from ever being used again.

The Keep will allow Bioware to use any plot variables they want since they can always add questions later. Reentering plot data is a one time thing since DAO and DA2 were not made with the Keep in mind and therefore don't send the necessary data. Future games including DAI will transmit your decisions as you play meaning you won't have to reenter them.

[Gold Dragon]

There is the Dragon Age Wiki, as well.

But AlexJK is correct. Origins and DA2 were seperate games, not Save game importers. And their importers were so buggy that they raised the DEAD!

[Shadelon]

Yes well save importing was bugged and resulted in a lot of plot data being discarded preventing those plots from ever being used again.
The Keep will allow Bioware to use any plot variables they want since they can always add questions later. Reentering plot data is a one time thing since DAO and DA2 were not made with the Keep in mind and therefore don't send the necessary data. Future games including DAI will transmit your decisions as you play meaning you won't have to reenter them.

As long as I only have to somehow remember small choices I made four damn years ago and rebuild my world state once and never again. . .

[AlexJK]

Then it would be nice if BioWare would at least own up to the fact that we're not playing DA:I with a world based on the decisions we've made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions we've made before.

It's the same thing. No really, it is. On one hand you have save files, which are generated world states based on your input while playing a game. On the other hand, you have Keep files, which are generated world states based on your input while using a website.

The moment I can't remember something I did or didn't do and miss tripping the appropriate flag in Keep, that's not my game world any more.

The moment you CAN'T REMEMBER a choice, what difference does it make?

Practicality wins over sentiment - I'm sorry you don't agree with that, but the Keep is an incredibly useful tool for players moving cross-platform, or who have lost or damaged their save files, or who haven't played previous games... the list goes on. Just because you derived no enjoyment from the previous games, and instead only cared about the save files you got out at the end, doesn't mean the Keep approach is a bad one.

[AshenEndymion]

Then it would be nice if BioWare would at least own up to the fact that we're not playing DA:I with a world based on the decisions we've made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions we've made before. They make a big deal about the choices you make influencing the game world, but I'm not seeing evidence of that with how this has all been explained to work. The moment I can't remember something I did or didn't do and miss tripping the appropriate flag in Keep, that's not my game world anymore.

 

It should be pointed out that, when you imported a DAO into DA2, you were not playing DA2 with a world based on the decisions you made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions you made before...  Primarily because of the bugs in the import system, as well as the fact that they didn't import very many choices from DAO into DA2...

 

Yes, it is probably bothersome to you that you can't remember a plot choice you made.  But that doesn't mean the Keep is broken.  That means you can't remember a plot choice.  After all, it wouldn't be Bioware's fault if your DAO save were corrupted and didn't import at all into DA2... Why would it be Bioware's fault that you're brain is corrupted, and you can't "import" your DAO save into the Keep?

[Ranadiel Marius]

Then it would be nice if BioWare would at least own up to the fact that we're not playing DA:I with a world based on the decisions we've made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions we've made before. They make a big deal about the choices you make influencing the game world, but I'm not seeing evidence of that with how this has all been explained to work. The moment I can't remember something I did or didn't do and miss tripping the appropriate flag in Keep, that's not my game world anymore.

Importing probably changed it from being your game world already due to bugs in the DA2 import (especially if you played at launch). If you can't remember a choice you made, then why does it matter if you got it wrong.

[sworddancer777]

It should be pointed out that, when you imported a DAO into DA2, you were not playing DA2 with a world based on the decisions you made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions you made before...  Primarily because of the bugs in the import system, as well as the fact that they didn't import very many choices from DAO into DA2...

 

Yes, it is probably bothersome to you that you can't remember a plot choice you made.  But that doesn't mean the Keep is broken.  That means you can't remember a plot choice.  After all, it wouldn't be Bioware's fault if your DAO save were corrupted and didn't import at all into DA2... Why would it be Bioware's fault that you're brain is corrupted, and you can't "import" your DAO save into the Keep?

 

Ah, good, yes, thank you for resorting to ad hominem attacks, that was exactly where this needed to go. It must be nice to be a perfect human with flawless procedural memory.

[Shadelon]

Ah, good, yes, thank you for resorting to ad hominem attacks, that was exactly where this needed to go. It must be nice to be a perfect human with flawless procedural memory.

My girlfriend has eidetic memory so sorry if I take that comment as an insult. No reason to be an ass about it. I agree. I played the games four years ago. But we just have to deal with it and try to remember. Use the wiki and your achievements.

[aaarcher86]

So I have come to understand, contrary to what I had previously seen stated elsewhere, that there will be no save game importing and that if I want to play a game of Inquisition based on my previous playthroughs of the other games, that I have to recreate them from the ground up using Keep. Then what was the point of even playing through the other games in the first place? It's been over a year since I played Dragon Age II, and I'm certain I'm not going to remember down to the finest detail every decision I made in that game. This is exactly the sort of thing that save importing was supposed to take care of for me. I have a terrible memory, and I know I'm going to get something wrong. Honestly, the more I find out about Keep, the less I want to play this game at all, because it just sounds needlessly complicated and really kind of awful.

 

 

Then it would be nice if BioWare would at least own up to the fact that we're not playing DA:I with a world based on the decisions we've made before, but rather a world based on an imperfect facsimile of the decisions we've made before. They make a big deal about the choices you make influencing the game world, but I'm not seeing evidence of that with how this has all been explained to work. The moment I can't remember something I did or didn't do and miss tripping the appropriate flag in Keep, that's not my game world anymore.

Your expectation was wrong. To my knowledge, Bioware has never said you can import saves into the Keep. Not sure where you think that was stated?

At the end of the day, the Keep is what it is. If you don't like it, that's fine. But if you want the decisions that you previously made to matter, you'll use it. It's a small inconvenience this game that you'll have to look a few things up, and then it's over. Next game you won't need to, and the Keep will store uploaded Inquisition info if you're connected to the internet.

It needed I be done at some point to cover next gen consoles. The next game, I assume, will be solely next gen. It's a superior save system in the long run. But really, let's not pretend you didn't play the DA games because you enjoyed them. THATS the purpose of them. The fact that your game is reflected in subsequent titles is secondary.

[PillarBiter]

My girlfriend has eidetic memory so sorry if I take that comment as an insult. No reason to be an ass about it. I agree. I played the games four years ago. But we just have to deal with it and try to remember. Use the wiki and your achievements.

 

From my experience in the beta, I think I can say that having to remember anything won't be a problem.

[Arkwright99]

Re. remembering (or not remembering) plot choices: It's not like DA2 paid any notice to the fact that the Warden may have killed Leliana after defiling the Sacred Ashes, is it? The in-game explanation (presumably) would be that you (the Warden) *thought* you (they)'d done 'A' but actually 'B' happened instead (you thought you killed Leliana but really she was playing possum). Having seen the Keep there are some minor, seemingly irrelevant, choices that I can't imagine will impact on the narrative of DAI in any meaningful way (I may be wrong) so if I can't remember which choice I made will it really matter? Obviously major decisions, like whether Bhelen or Harrowmont rules in Orzammar, would/will (presumably) have a significant impact but I daresay most people will remember the big decisions they made.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Eh personally, I am of the opinion that the smaller choices might have more impact than some of the big decisions which will end up just determining a war table mission or two. Basically my gut is the big decisions are in the Keep because they have to be, while the small decisions are there because the devs had an idea on how to use them. Could end up being wrote g though.

[Kantr]

Eh personally, I am of the opinion that the smaller choices might have more impact than some of the big decisions which will end up just determining a war table mission or two. Basically my gut is the big decisions are in the Keep because they have to be, while the small decisions are there because the devs had an idea on how to use them. Could end up being wrote g though.

partially. Although it's intended to be a record for all games and decisions made, Origins and 2 will likely impact future games.

[Liberi]

I have a question about the open beta, sorry if this was already answared (its a big thread). So, as I live in a different Time Zone, I would love to know in what time the keep will be opened and in what time zone.  Thanks a bunch.

[aaarcher86]

I have a question about the open beta, sorry if this was already answared (its a big thread). So, as I live in a different Time Zone, I would love to know in what time the keep will be opened and in what time zone.  Thanks a bunch.

Not sure they've given an actual time.