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[Starscream723]

hhh89 wrote...

Leliana is confirmed to be canonically alive.

hhh89 wrote...

There isn't a canon for DA, only a default for the people who don't want to use the keep/import in the case it'll be possibile .

Not trying to be awkward, and I do thank you for trying to help, but this is just confusing. Having no canon, only a default for people who don't import... that's the ideal situation. But if overwriting some choices like the Leliana one means that there must be some things that are canon. You can't say Leliana is officially canonically alive, and then say there isn't a canon. Obviously there is, and my only question is regarding which bits of the story so far are specifically regarded as canonical or non-canonical. Obviously DSC is non-canon, but I'm disappointed if (as another poster claimed elsewhere) Witch Hunt is also thought of as non-canon.

[Heimdall]

Starscream723 wrote...

Not trying to be awkward, and I do thank you for trying to help, but this is just confusing. Having no canon, only a default for people who don't import... that's the ideal situation. But if overwriting some choices like the Leliana one means that there must be some things that are canon. You can't say Leliana is officially canonically alive, and then say there isn't a canon. Obviously there is, and my only question is regarding which bits of the story so far are specifically regarded as canonical or non-canonical. Obviously DSC is non-canon, but I'm disappointed if (as another poster claimed elsewhere) Witch Hunt is also thought of as non-canon.

Canon refers to events that occur no matter what in this context.  Leliana surviving is canon, you may have tried to kill her but it wasn't as effective as you thought.  Gaider said her apparent resurrection would be touched upon in DAI.

[The Elder King]

With canon I meant a canon playthrough for all DAO and DA2, not a single choice.
Leliana's death was 'retconneted' long before, but they said that the game will recognized the fact that the Warden 'tried' to kill her. The other choices, unless something will change, are all up to the player.
About WH, in the Keep you'll have the chance to make the choice that your Warden did, and the game will recognize it. I don't understand your problem with it not being canon. All the dlcs aren't.

[Starscream723]

I think there's some crossed wires here.

I'm not upset that there isn't a canon for certain things. I don't want any set canon, I want all player choices to be considered possible.

However, I am aware that there IS at least some set canon, as Leliana surviving is apparently set as canon. Well, there's tons of other stuff too (The Blight always happened, Duncan always dies, Anders always blows up the Chantry etc.) but obviously I'm talking about things in the canon that might contradict a player's individual game.

I was asking what (if any) other potential player events or decisions had been retconned in order to fit the canon. Leliana is one. Because I've been away a while and missed dev comments, is there anything else? From what I gather here, there isn't.

As far as WH goes, I read a post that implied Witch Hunt would be specifically ignored as non-canon. My objection was NOT that it isn't part of canonical events - my objection was the possibility that it might specifically have NOT happened, even if it did in my game. If this isn't true, and they aren't railroading any other previous choices to fit their desired story, then that's great.

Hope that clarifies a few things.

P.S. Still kinda pissy about Leliana, but if that's the only one, I'll deal.

P.P.S. Oh, and I didn't try to kill her - She tried to kill me. I was just a little over enthusiastic with my self-defence.

[Jonathan Seagull]

Thus far there are relatively few things that happen despite the player having apparent options to the contrary. Other than Leliana surviving, I think the other big one is that Anders always survives Awakening, meets Justice, and becomes a Warden. For the record, I don't agree with the use of the term "retcon" in cases such as Leliana. They aren't saying that you never fought (and even seemingly killed) Leliana. They're saying she's alive now. Whether than means that she was never really dead or she was brought back, I don't know.

As far as Witch Hunt goes, I'm not really sure where this idea of it not happening came from. Maybe it has to do with the statements made about the Warden in DA2, no matter what the player did in Witch Hunt? Either way, Witch Hunt happened. If the player played WH, they took whatever actions they took at the end. What kind of outcomes those actions have is unknown. If the player did not play Witch Hunt, I'm certain that it still happened, in terms of Morrigan going through the Eluvian, etc. But the Warden may not have been involved, or may have somehow been involved in a different way. Point being, so far as I know, WH has not been written out of continuity.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 02 septembre 2013 - 06:05 .

[Sejborg]

Starscream723 wrote...

I think there's some crossed wires here.

I'm not upset that there isn't a canon for certain things. I don't want any set canon, I want all player choices to be considered possible.

However, I am aware that there IS at least some set canon, as Leliana surviving is apparently set as canon. Well, there's tons of other stuff too (The Blight always happened, Duncan always dies, Anders always blows up the Chantry etc.) but obviously I'm talking about things in the canon that might contradict a player's individual game.

I was asking what (if any) other potential player events or decisions had been retconned in order to fit the canon. Leliana is one. Because I've been away a while and missed dev comments, is there anything else? From what I gather here, there isn't.

As far as WH goes, I read a post that implied Witch Hunt would be specifically ignored as non-canon. My objection was NOT that it isn't part of canonical events - my objection was the possibility that it might specifically have NOT happened, even if it did in my game. If this isn't true, and they aren't railroading any other previous choices to fit their desired story, then that's great.

Hope that clarifies a few things.

P.S. Still kinda pissy about Leliana, but if that's the only one, I'll deal.

P.P.S. Oh, and I didn't try to kill her - She tried to kill me. I was just a little over enthusiastic with my self-defence.

I do believe that Bioware have acknowleged the backlash of the retcons (though not in public since they are proud people). It is most likely a small minority that had her killed, but in reality it is many more that complain about her returning in DA2 because it is a choice that made their game special that is taken away by the handwawing. Even though many others made the choice of keeping her alive, it is still a choice they made, and when that choice becomes meaningless by making it canon, then that removes the value of the choice even though it was what you would have wanted to do. I believe Bioware understands this now. 

And that is why they have hinted that an explanation will be given to those players that had her killed in Origins when she returns in DA3.

I believe Bioware understands that the handwawing of choices is not the way to go in the long run. Now they are scrambling up what DA2 broke as good as they can. 

That's my take on it. 

Modifié par Sejborg, 02 septembre 2013 - 06:38 .

[Thunderfox]

I really hope we do get flexibility in our options so I can choose "Locked up Irving and other mages" rather than Saved mages or annuled circle.

[Deadmac]

grrr... I do not know why I missed this thread.

I will not play this game if cloud is a mandated feature.

[cjones91]

I have a question,do you have to use the Keep to transfer save files on the same platform or can you still do it the old way?Like for example I have DAO&DA2 on the Xbox360 and when I buy DA:I on the same platform, do I have to use the Keep to transfer my files?

[DarthSliver]

The way I understand the keep is that as of right now we have to remake our Warden and there isnt a method yet to upload our saves into the system. Also that the system will allow us to make more choices that ME Genesis did. The Keep is their only choice to still allow our choices to matter, hence the details in re-tailoring our Warden and Hawke. The system will also allow, from what I understand, choices we made to correctly be interrupted as they werent correctly read when imported from DAO to DA2

[cjones91]

DarthSliver wrote...

The way I understand the keep is that as of right now we have to remake our Warden and there isnt a method yet to upload our saves into the system. Also that the system will allow us to make more choices that ME Genesis did. The Keep is their only choice to still allow our choices to matter, hence the details in re-tailoring our Warden and Hawke. The system will also allow, from what I understand, choices we made to correctly be interrupted as they werent correctly read when imported from DAO to DA2

Okay,thanks for the info.It looks like I have to hope I can somehow transfer my files without the Keep otherwise I'll have to go with no imports.

[TheInquisitor]

I'm excited to remake my warden and hawke for the game.

[Palidane]

Deadmac wrote...

grrr... I do not know why I missed this thread.

I will not play this game if cloud is a mandated feature.

Any particular reason why?

[Angrywolves]

I never killed Leliana.
Don't understand why some people enjoy killing their party members.
There was no backlash from me btw.

Those of us who have consoles would like to know if Bioware is working on a method for us to do the beta?

[Diefenbaker]

Angrywolves wrote...

I never killed Leliana.
Don't understand why some people enjoy killing their party members.

I feel compelled to keep as many characters alive as possible because I'm so intrigued by what they could potentially do in future.

The only exceptions are characters I feel need to be taken out of the world to alleviate damage/companion grief. I have a separate destructive playthrough for those because I'm just as curious about the alternatives.

It's a terribly 'unnatural' way to play I understand but I consider it an experiment.

Modifié par AelixVII, 02 septembre 2013 - 10:33 .

[Fast Jimmy]

cjones91 wrote...

I have a question,do you have to use the Keep to transfer save files on the same platform or can you still do it the old way?Like for example I have DAO&DA2 on the Xbox360 and when I buy DA:I on the same platform, do I have to use the Keep to transfer my files?

According to comments by devs in this thread, you must use The Keep, regardless of if you are staying on the same platform or moving to a new one. 

[cjones91]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I have a question,do you have to use the Keep to transfer save files on the same platform or can you still do it the old way?Like for example I have DAO&DA2 on the Xbox360 and when I buy DA:I on the same platform, do I have to use the Keep to transfer my files?

According to comments by devs in this thread, you must use The Keep, regardless of if you are staying on the same platform or moving to a new one. 

So how does it work?Does the Keep store your files and you can use them anytime you want?Or can you edit them in some ways so if you did'nt like a certain choice you can change it?Can it store separate save files and you can pick which one to import?Sorry if this is too many questions but this sort of thing interests me.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

From what I understand, you set up your world-state from scratch in the keep and then import it into DA:I for your character of choice. I suspect you won't be able to change it after character creation has completed, but it sounds like you can create multiple world-states for every new character.

If you don't create a world-state, you have to use DA:I's default world-state, much like Awakening had a default world-state if you used an Orlesian Warden.

[Fast Jimmy]

cjones91 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I have a question,do you have to use the Keep to transfer save files on the same platform or can you still do it the old way?Like for example I have DAO&DA2 on the Xbox360 and when I buy DA:I on the same platform, do I have to use the Keep to transfer my files?

According to comments by devs in this thread, you must use The Keep, regardless of if you are staying on the same platform or moving to a new one. 

So how does it work?Does the Keep store your files and you can use them anytime you want?Or can you edit them in some ways so if you did'nt like a certain choice you can change it?Can it store separate save files and you can pick which one to import?Sorry if this is too many questions but this sort of thing interests me.

As of right now, there is not a way to directly import your previous game's files, so you would ONLY be able to set up the choices you want. You can set things to be as similar or as different from your actual games as you wish. 

There is talk and work being done to being able to take your actual previous game files and reading them through the Keep and then reviewing/editing/changing them in the Keep, but they are still working out the kinks. 

As of right now, there is no known plans to be able to directly import your prior game files into DA:I without the Keep, nor is there a known way to be able to use the files created in The Keep without linking your PC or console online when you start the game. 

I hope that helps. 

[cjones91]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I have a question,do you have to use the Keep to transfer save files on the same platform or can you still do it the old way?Like for example I have DAO&DA2 on the Xbox360 and when I buy DA:I on the same platform, do I have to use the Keep to transfer my files?

According to comments by devs in this thread, you must use The Keep, regardless of if you are staying on the same platform or moving to a new one. 

So how does it work?Does the Keep store your files and you can use them anytime you want?Or can you edit them in some ways so if you did'nt like a certain choice you can change it?Can it store separate save files and you can pick which one to import?Sorry if this is too many questions but this sort of thing interests me.

As of right now, there is not a way to directly import your previous game's files, so you would ONLY be able to set up the choices you want. You can set things to be as similar or as different from your actual games as you wish. 

There is talk and work being done to being able to take your actual previous game files and reading them through the Keep and then reviewing/editing/changing them in the Keep, but they are still working out the kinks. 

As of right now, there is no known plans to be able to directly import your prior game files into DA:I without the Keep, nor is there a known way to be able to use the files created in The Keep without linking your PC or console online when you start the game. 

I hope that helps. 

It does and thanks.I can't wait to test out the Keep, I just hope I can use it with Xbox Live.

Modifié par cjones91, 03 septembre 2013 - 12:40 .

[Deadmac]

Palidane wrote...

Deadmac wrote...
grrr... I do not know why I missed this thread.
I will not play this game if cloud is a mandated feature.

Any particular reason why?

Regardless about what BioWare may promise, I do not trust them with that kind of power. We just learned that several software and service companies have been helping the NSA. Sony, Microsoft, EA, Google, etc... Since I do not know BioWare personally, I cannot and will not trust them with my information.

Second, after I buy a particular product, I want its manufacturer to leave me alone. During the last five to eight years, software companies have become too intrusive. I want a developer's involvement with me to stop at the cash register. If it was not for BioWare's DRM program, I would most likely not have a forum account. I want to be left alone.

Third, when I buy something from the store, I am making an investment to own something. I want to own my personal copy of software. I do not want to be told: (1) you are only allowed to put this on one computer, (2) you need to sign into a DRM system every number of days, and (3) you are not allowed to share your item with another family member.

I grew up in the 80s and 90s. During those two decades, people would record copies of movies, tv-shows, and music albums. Even though DRM and the Cloud were made to stop 'peer to peer' sharing, I think it inadvertently caused a problem for innocent consumers. I share hardcopies of DVD/Blueray movies with my sister, and I do not see any problem with such freedom. People use to own VCR recorders and DVD burners for a reason. Why can't I have the ability to share my copy of "Dragon Age" with my cousin or sister? I just do not understand.

I am a law abiding citizen who: likes to maintain privacy, share products with close relatives, and be left in peace.

If I cannot do those things with a specific product, I might as well go buy one that will.

I do not own a social media account. I do not rent from Netflix or Hulu. I own hardcopies of software, music, and movies. I am a owner of products. I am not a renter.

BioWare should build this new feature into the game, so that people do not have to sign into the cloud.

I think its wrong.

I want BioWare/EA to leave me alone.

I am tired of having my hands tied as a consumer.

I want my freedom back.

Are those good enough reasons?

Modifié par Deadmac, 03 septembre 2013 - 03:33 .

[kinderschlager]

 i'm curious. will we be able to upload the info from this site to the keep? seeing as i have info from games that no longer exist (i hate viruses) maintained here, it would be great if i could upload it, as the site has all of my choices recorded, both for DA:O and DA2

this is what i am talking about

i.imgur.com/Tmp0nZ2.png

Modifié par kinderschlager, 03 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[clone wars]

will this effect my save import that are on my xbox 360 and ps3 and pc

[Daerog]

Deadmac wrote...

*snip*

You do not need to use the Keep for Inquisition. If you are going into a new generation console and want DAI for it, you may want to use it to keep your canon going, not BW's fault, that's Microsoft's and Sony's.

As for your information, it is only game information, you only sign in using the same exact account you signed in with to post in these forums, which is your Origin account.

I can understand people not wanting to connect to the internet ever on their consoles or computer... though they may still get on to post in forums which is as intrusive as the Keep will be.

This is just the best solution for those wanting to jump into next gen and stay on consoles. Perhaps if it is successful they may focus on the Keep for future DA titles, where you can upload your canon into your account, kind of like how DA:O was able to upload screenshots, character info, and story lines you did into the BSN. When BSN first came out, it was also built for people to upload their DA:O stuff, but that didn't continue with DA2, and it seems they are making a separate server to do something similar with DAI.

I personally approve and am glad that 5 games down the line, I won't need to replay all 4 previous games to see how it impacts the 5th game, I just make a custom canon on Keep and upload it into the 5th game.


Edit: They could always make an offline app down the road that people can download for computers if the beta is successful, although that doesn't help console players. Maybe another DLC for console players similar to the comic thing in ME2?

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 03 septembre 2013 - 07:19 .

[AlexJK]

Deadmac wrote...

Regardless about what BioWare may promise, I do not trust them with that kind of power. We just learned that several software and service companies have been helping the NSA. Sony, Microsoft, EA, Google, etc... Since I do not know BioWare personally, I cannot and will not trust them with my information.

Tin foil hats out, everyone!

Third, when I buy something from the store, I am making an investment to own something. I want to own my personal copy of software.

This is not how software works, and never has.