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[Fast Jimmy]

WOW.

People are exceptionally whiny and torn up about not being the first to try out a virtual checklist. This is just surprisingly sad.

[Fast Jimmy]

Also, let's be clear - Bioware doesn't know the 30,000+ applicants from the bottom of their shoe. If they wanted a small, controlled first roll out to make sure the application doesn't have any major crashing errors, they'd want to only roll it out to a dozen or so people at most.

Do you think Bioware would just pull ten names out of hat and PRAY that the name they picked actually responded? Just because you have a valid email address and are anxiously waiting on a reponse doesn't mean everyone did.

Would people rather Bioware pick 10 random people, hear nothing back, delay first round testing another few weeks waiting on responses, send out another 10 random requests, wait for a few more weeks... all the while delaying when a larger segment of the population can begin getting in there?

Or would you rather they contact people they personally know and have met, who they know will respond quickly, get the ball rolling on the entire process, and then have the demo out to the rest of the applicants by February?

People are being petty, unrealistic and, if Bioware did as they actually are requesting, harmful to the overall testing process and timeline.

[ElitePinecone]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Or would you rather they contact people they personally know and have met, who they know will respond quickly, get the ball rolling on the entire process, and then have the demo out to the rest of the applicants by February?

I don't think there was an intention to roll the Keep out to ~everyone~ for testing as soon as February, but certainly bigger tests were something that Bioware were interested in doing. The way they were describing it, though, made me think the beta would be ramped up as the game approached launch, with big stress-tests held in the North American summer so they know what they're doing by release date. 

I'm still a bit mystified why people are making such a big deal about not getting an invitation to a half-finished choice-editor, though. It's an extraordinarily low-stakes thing to get upset about. 

[Fast Jimmy]

I don't think there was an intention to roll the Keep out to ~everyone~ for testing as soon as February, but certainly bigger tests were something that Bioware were interested in doing. The way they were describing it, though, made me think the beta would be ramped up as the game approached launch, with big stress-tests held in the North American summer so they know what they're doing by release date.

Sorry, I was just pulling the February date out of the air. Point being - if Bioware is going to do a small group rollout first (a smart move), then they need a group they know will respond and give feedback quickly. So it is smart that they would use people they know are dedicated and who they know can respond quickly to such a request.

I'm still a bit mystified why people are making such a big deal about not getting an invitation to a half-finished choice-editor, though. It's an extraordinarily low-stakes thing to get upset about.

Agreed. It's a silly thing to get your feelings hurt about.

[Tinu]

Thank God, we have you two telling people how they should feel. Besides it's old news and most people are fine about it by now. Move on.

[nightscrawl]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'm still a bit mystified why people are making such a big deal about not getting an invitation to a half-finished choice-editor, though. It's an extraordinarily low-stakes thing to get upset about.

Other than the "new toy" aspect of it, I'm sure another part is that some people are expecting that the types of choices offered in the Keep are an indication as to possible ramifications in DAI, so they're hoping to glean more information in a roundabout sort of way.

I want to get into the beta for numerous reasons, general curiosity being one of them. I do want to know how they are going to structure it, as a simple check list seems rather boring, unimaginative, and will become tedious after doing it multiple times for several characters. The other reason is that I tend to be rather critical of websites; their usability, intuitiveness, and aesthetics being the things I focus on when I visit a new website. I would prefer to get into the beta sooner rather than later so I can actually offer meaningful feedback instead of helping them load test their severs.

If I don't get invited it's no biggie. I've done several betas (open, closed, invitation only) over the years, and other than getting to try out something new before general release and filling out a few bug reports, they aren't anything to get too fussed over.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 décembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[ElitePinecone]

TinuHawke wrote...
most people are fine about it by now. Move on.

People being fairly unhinged ten days ago or whatever doesn't make them any less unhinged. If they're going to take missing out on the earliest stage of a beta test as a personal slight against their status as fans, or something, then I think that's a bit much. 

[LvrdAjay]

Here's hoping to another batch of invites on the 1st of January!!!

[Angrywolves]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

WOW.

People are exceptionally whiny and torn up about not being the first to try out a virtual checklist. This is just surprisingly sad.

No it's human nature.
Ever watch the Movie 7 ?

Envy is one of the seven deadly sins.

Rotfl.

But although there's no Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman to help us along Most people who were disappointed have gotten over it by now.

fast jimmy said:
"Also, let's be clear - Bioware doesn't know the 30,000+ applicants from the bottom of their shoe. "

I do take issue with the statement that the developers don't know who they selected.They know those people very well, have talked to them, exchanged tweets with them, etc.So those were hardly random selections.

But I am ok with that.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 30 décembre 2013 - 11:59 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Angrywolves wrote...
fast jimmy said:
"Also, let's be clear - Bioware doesn't know the 30,000+ applicants from the bottom of their shoe. "

I do take issue with the statement that the developers don't know who they selected.They know those people very well, have talked to them, exchanged tweets with them, etc.So those were hardly random selections.

But I am ok with that.

I am not speaking about the dozen or so they did select for the first round of the Keep testing. I agree - they knew those people (virtually or in RL). They knew they could be trusted and that they would respond and give feedback timely. 

Joe Schmoe who was one of the 30,000 people who applied to be a part of the Beta and wasn't selected (since Bioware didn't know them) but is now complaining because Bioware didn't pick them would be a total unknown factor for Bioware. They don't know if Joe would answer his email, let alone if we would have the time/bandwidth/facilities to devote to the beta. 

They will happily send his invite out when all of the 30,000 are free to test (when it doesn't matter so much that everyone they contact is engaged, like a small test right now would be). But for the first, small release, it would be best if they went with people they can trust to participate, not someone who may have clicked the Submit button when they were hammered on a Saturday night and wouldn't even remember that they had done so.

[Ieldra]

Whiny? Gloomy? Make a big thing of it? Get real, people. All I've said is that I would be disappointed if I wasn't selected, and asked if I should take the fact that some are already "in" as indicating that I wasn't. Some people make a too big thing of what others say. We aren't British yet, right? You know, the country where "I am not amused" means "I am immensely annoyed and disgusted".

*Shakes head*

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:59 .

[XMissWooX]

 I recently convinced myself that I need to replay DA:O, DA:A, all DA:O DLC, DA2 and all DA2 DLC (about 100+ hours of gameplay) because I didn't like my Cousland's forename <_<

The funny thing is, I expect the Keep would have made all that unnecessary anyway.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

XMissWooX wrote...

 I recently convinced myself that I need to replay DA:O, DA:A, all DA:O DLC, DA2 and all DA2 DLC (about 100+ hours of gameplay) because I didn't like my Cousland's forename <_<

The funny thing is, I expect the Keep would have made all that unnecessary anyway.

a)  I know exactly how you feel!  Am planning another full run-through (about my 24th) this Summer to have eveything just the way my head-canon demands.

  The mod "Dragon Age Face Replacer" (on the Nexus) includes a way to change your character's forename.

[Ieldra]

XMissWooX wrote...
I recently convinced myself that I need to replay DA:O, DA:A, all DA:O DLC, DA2 and all DA2 DLC (about 100+ hours of gameplay) because I didn't like my Cousland's forename <_<

The funny thing is, I expect the Keep would have made all that unnecessary anyway.

Ah, so you're just as obsessive as I am. I replayed my main Warden and the connected Hawke because I forgot to sleep with Isabela at the Pearl...

I wouldn't limit myself to setting things up in the Keep in this case, since I find it important that I actually play through the story of my main Warden the way I want it to be. The Keep I'll use to set up world states I usually have no motivation to create by playing the game. Such as any DA2 playthrough which includes siding with Meredith at the end.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 décembre 2013 - 07:47 .

[clone wars]

has any new info about when the 2 wave of beta testers are go to be pick

[Fast Jimmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

XMissWooX wrote...
I recently convinced myself that I need to replay DA:O, DA:A, all DA:O DLC, DA2 and all DA2 DLC (about 100+ hours of gameplay) because I didn't like my Cousland's forename <_<

The funny thing is, I expect the Keep would have made all that unnecessary anyway.

Ah, so you're just as obsessive as I am. I replayed my main Warden and the connected Hawke because I forgot to sleep with Isabela at the Pearl...

I wouldn't limit myself to setting things up in the Keep in this case, since I find it important that I actually play through the story of my main Warden the way I want it to be. The Keep I'll use to set up world states I usually have no motivation to create by playing the game. Such as any DA2 playthrough which includes siding with Meredith at the end.

Well, that is assuming we can import old games into the Keep. Which they have said they can't do, but MAY be something they add in the future. 

[Eralrik]

I have a question if were a PC user and we have our saves from the previous games will we be able to transfer those saves to dragon age inquisition?
Why I ask is because the area I live in Comcast has no plan to put cable in my area and Satalite is still to expensive, we are not close enough to any hub for DSL so were stuck with Dial-up so is Dragon Age Inquisition an Online access only type game Like ME3?
If so Dragon Age Keep may not be something I will be able to use unless it's Dial Up stable.

Yes there are places in America that Cable hasn't hit yet!

[MidnightsFury]

I don't think being disappointed about missing out is such a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with it. Some of you are coming off a bit brash, making it seem like those who applied who don't "know" the team or have exclusive channels dedicated to DA shouldn't have even applied.

Raging about it, starting hate threads, crying and gnashing of teeth? Bit much. Sulk a bit and get over it, it's fine.

I didn't get an invite. Was I disappointed? Hell yes. Am I going to throw an extended pity party and hate the developers? Nope. Let's focus our fandom energy on conniving them to release some more details instead.

[ElitePinecone]

Eralrik wrote...

I have a question if were a PC user and we have our saves from the previous games will we be able to transfer those saves to dragon age inquisition?
Why I ask is because the area I live in Comcast has no plan to put cable in my area and Satalite is still to expensive, we are not close enough to any hub for DSL so were stuck with Dial-up so is Dragon Age Inquisition an Online access only type game Like ME3?
If so Dragon Age Keep may not be something I will be able to use unless it's Dial Up stable.

Yes there are places in America that Cable hasn't hit yet!

- At this point, it's not clear whether PC players will be able to import saves - though I wouldn't hold your breath. 

- From what Bioware developers have said, the Keep only needs to be used once - it doesn't require a constant internet connection. Once you connect your DA:I game with the Keep and import a world state, that world state will remain in the save file, you don't need to remain connected to use it. If you want to make a new world state, then that will require internet access, but presumably only for as long as you'e using the Keep. So, as far as we know, DA:I is not an 'always online' game - you only need to be online to download Keep data if you want to use it when starting a new game. 

(The idea is that you could make a save game on the Keep, start up DA:I while online and download that file, start a new game, then disconnect the internet and just play normally with the Keep data already saved on your PC.)

- Also, the Keep isn't required to play DA:I - you can play with a default worldstate without needing to connect online (except maybe once for DRM?). The game will use default decisions so it's probably not the best idea for more invested fans, but it's definitely an option. 

[Heimdall]

ElitePinecone wrote...
- At this point, it's not clear whether PC players will be able to import saves - though I wouldn't hold your breath. 

- From what Bioware developers have said, the Keep only needs to be used once - it doesn't require a constant internet connection. Once you connect your DA:I game with the Keep and import a world state, that world state will remain in the save file, you don't need to remain connected to use it. If you want to make a new world state, then that will require internet access, but presumably only for as long as you'e using the Keep. So, as far as we know, DA:I is not an 'always online' game - you only need to be online to download Keep data if you want to use it when starting a new game. 

(The idea is that you could make a save game on the Keep, start up DA:I while online and download that file, start a new game, then disconnect the internet and just play normally with the Keep data already saved on your PC.)

- Also, the Keep isn't required to play DA:I - you can play with a default worldstate without needing to connect online (except maybe once for DRM?). The game will use default decisions so it's probably not the best idea for more invested fans, but it's definitely an option.

. What I'd like to know is whether I can make multiple world states, download them onto my console/PC, and then keep them there, choosing between them whenever I want to start a new game without being online.

[In Exile]

Lord Aesir wrote...
 What I'd like to know is whether I can make multiple world states, download them onto my console/PC, and then keep them there, choosing between them whenever I want to start a new game without being online.

I always thought the answer was yes, and that it went without saying... but that's a good point. 

[nightscrawl]

Foshizzlin wrote...

So the Keep will have literally every option present from DA:O and DA2?

I highly doubt every single option. Many, many options, yes, every single one, eh... probably not. The imports into DAA and DA2 didn't have every single option either.

Even if they did, what kind of response are you expecting there to be from all of those things? This is a new game with a new protagonist and a new plot. There is only so much they can reference or carry over from the previous two games while still having it be something new.

[Versus Omnibus]

Foshizzlin wrote...

So the Keep will have literally every option present from DA:O and DA2?

Doubtful. My guess would be just the options that have flags.