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[Flurdt Vash]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

kevryu wrote...

Well the fact is I played DAO and DA2 on PS3 and about a year ago I decided to re-play it on PC in order to have no problem of import save with DA:I

I'm about 60-70hours of DAO and DLC and I'm just doing DA2 right now so, you know, I'd like to "keep" this hours of play with DA:I

I'm kinda dissapointed right now :/

Well, don't think of it as losing those hours. You played through again and (I'm hoping) enjoyed yourself.

And just because The Keep is going to make you enter those choices into a website instead of being magically whisked away in a file load doesn't mean those choices didn't happen. It just means the method of creating the file that will import your information is different. 

Fantastic point   I also played DAO/DAA and DA2 on PS3 got all the Aceivments and what have you, tons of hours. It was a blast, I got the games for PC now that, thats all I play and I havent done nearly as much work with the saves as what I did originaly. With the Keep, we will be able to recreate those saves and who knows, maybe even find some combinations that we missed the first several thousand times we ran threw the games . Were not loosing anything. We had fun with the games, heres a new game, now tell the Keep how you want to go in to it I really think its gonna be an awesome option, cant wait to try it myself

But, of course, all my statments are my own humble opinions, and as subject to flaw as anyone elses

[durasteel]

I would really like it if the Keep could also generate a save file for download that could be imported into DA2, and hit all the flags correctly (unlike an actual DAO or DAOA save file.)

[jtav]

So the Keep isn't reading our saves? My memory is pretty decent but I'm not really sure I can remember which of my saves has me giving Pryce money six months after the fact. I wish somebody would leak a list so I know which decisions to write down.

[nightscrawl]

kevryu wrote...

Hi everybody, France here !

Sorry if the question has already been made but I'd like to know if there is any news about importing a save data who takes all my previous choice from DAO, Awakening, Witch Hunt, DA2 etc..?
'Cause all I'm seeing right now is about the Keep not allowing (for now) to do it..

I'd like to know especially for the PC version of the game

(Sorry for my English by the way O:) )

Since there are known issues with importing between DAO/DAA/DA2 where data is lost or never called to begin with, why do you want that same data loss to carry over from your saves into a new game? It would just perpetuate data loss down the chain.

If you are asking to populate the DA Keep with your choices from the save files I can understand that, since we don't know how many choices there are and it could be rather tedious to put in every single thing, particularly if you have several varied plays and don't remember the details of each. However, if you are asking about importing with save files into DAI, it is highly unlikely that we are going to get that. Also, they want a system that will cater to all five platforms, not just PC alone. So any restrictions for the consoles will limit what can be done for PC.

durasteel wrote...

I would really like it if the Keep could also generate a save file for download that could be imported into DA2, and hit all the flags correctly (unlike an actual DAO or DAOA save file.)

I empathize completely with this and would love for them to use the Keep to fix the DAO import issues.

That said, DAI is specifically designed to use the Keep whereas DA2 is not. It would probably be a significant amount of work to enable this for DA2, which as far as I know is pretty much dead as development is concerned. There are still significant bugs with the game that will probably never be fixed. To be honest, if they are going to put any man-hours at all into DA2 I would prefer that they fix those bugs instead.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 19 février 2014 - 04:15 .

[ElitePinecone]

kevryu wrote...

Well I hope they'll find a way, I'd be really disappointed if they don't.
All that hours of play with my Warden and Hawke and all my choices, all "gone"...

It seems a bit strange to say that the time you spent playing DAO and DA2 only has value if the choices can be imported. Surely the experience and memory of making those decisions means that time wasn't wasted? I think playing a game is interesting and worthwhile in its own right, regardless of whether it can be exported into a sequel.

And the Keep can recreate your worldstate how you left it anyway, even if it's not the exact file that you saved from Origins/DA2. Things like the Warden's or Hawke's physical appearances were never going to transfer easily, but the major and minor decisions that you made across your playthroughs will still be reflected in Inquisition. 

Think of the Keep as just a program that asks you to reconfirm your canon version of what happened in Origins and DA2, so it can be saved on Bioware's servers for use in Inquisition and even later games. Even if the actual save file doesn't get transferred, the results are identical.

[kevryu]

Well when I said "gone" I don't really mean it.

What I was trying to say is, in my opinion, have the same effect that Mass Effect Genesis.
I played the first ME on PC and the second on PC and PS3 and I had the feeling the choice I made in Genesis wasn't as complete as if I import my save game from the original game.

I noticed several difference between the PC import and PS3 Genesis.

So yeah I'm disappointed, but I enjoyed so much the first two DA that it's impossible for me not to play DA:I

Hope they'll make it anyway..

PS : Is there any important choice on the DA2 DLC : Legacy and MoTA ?
I'm replaying DA2 right now and don't know if I'll take these 2 DLC or not, if they are important or not.

(And sorry again if my english might be bad ^^ )

[Fast Jimmy]

^

In Legacy, there is a choice about who you side with (although that may be a bit moot considering how many people interpret the final scene). With MotA, I don't believe there is - while a good ride, it was often criticized for railroading the player into not being able to do anything about how things play out.

However, if you are concerned with imported choices alone, then you may not want to buy these DLC. DLC choices will be a part of the Keep, regardless of if you own the DLC or not. For instance, The Keep will allow you to import a file with Awakening decisions, even if you don't own the expansion.

I'd say buy and play the DLC if they look good and entertaining to you, but not on the sole merit of them having importable choices. Because that piece of criteria is pretty moot now with The Keep - you won't be able to import them, regardless, unless you go through The Keep.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 19 février 2014 - 12:52 .

[kevryu]

Yeah now I know, I'd just bought The Exiled Prince a few days ago before knowing about the Keep..

Well too late now

[Fast Jimmy]

kevryu wrote...

Yeah now I know, I'd just bought The Exiled Prince a few days ago before knowing about the Keep..

Well too late now

Well, again... just because the content isn't tied to imports doesn't mean they are worthless. 

But in regards to your concerns about Genesis, that's not really the same thing. Genesis only had a few choices and there was content in ME2 that reacted to an imported choice that was not captured by Genesis. 

However, DA:I is being built around The Keep. There is no way to directly import your file into DA:I. So there isn't going to be any content that would show up with an import file that The Keep would miss - if The Keep doesn't capture it, it won't exist in DA:I, in any form. It just flat won't exist. 

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah.

Also, I wouldn't be concerned about the Keep not offering a range of choices - they've said it'll include major and minor choices from both games, plus not every choice will necessarily have an impact in Inquisition. This worldstate we're making is intended to be one that they can draw from for all future games.

(So to pick an example, Inquisition might not react to whether Hawke gave the qunari their book, but that might come up again as a plot point in DA5.)

[Fast Jimmy]

^

Not to mention they said they can add to The Keep in the future if they need to. If The Keep doesn't track if you gave the Qunari the Tome of Koslun or not when it rolls out, they can add the choice later for DA5. Instead of the import file, which only tracks certain, static things.

[Flurdt Vash]

^^ Exactly. All in all this really seems like its going to be the best option moving forward. The issue of imports and systems and what have you wont be as big, knowing the Keep will assist with all future titles. Just my opinion of course

Modifié par Flurdt07, 20 février 2014 - 03:50 .

[Kallimachus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd say buy and play the DLC if they look good and entertaining to you, but not on the sole merit of them having importable choices. Because that piece of criteria is pretty moot now with The Keep - you won't be able to import them, regardless, unless you go through The Keep.

But since you sign on to the keep using the same account you do to the game won't they be able to make sure you only enter data based on content you have legal access to?

[Heimdall]

Kallimachus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd say buy and play the DLC if they look good and entertaining to you, but not on the sole merit of them having importable choices. Because that piece of criteria is pretty moot now with The Keep - you won't be able to import them, regardless, unless you go through The Keep.

But since you sign on to the keep using the same account you do to the game won't they be able to make sure you only enter data based on content you have legal access to?

There's been no indication that such a restriction is in place.

[Lady Lionheart]

Lucky I have written down all of my character's decisions and EVERYTHING, which took a very VERY long time to do.
I sat there playing then stopping to write down every minute thing, after my character said or did something I paused the game and wrote it.
I do that whenever I play the game, just in case I forget.
Which I won't do as I remember everything even from my first playthrough.

[AlexJK]

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

I sat there playing then stopping to write down every minute thing, after my character said or did something I paused the game and wrote it.
I do that whenever I play the game, just in case I forget.

But... why?

[Lady Lionheart]

@AlexJK

So I can easily put my stuff into the keep, so I don't have to worry about forgetting what happened.
It also might be because I'm a strange person.

[Fast Jimmy]

Kallimachus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd say buy and play the DLC if they look good and entertaining to you, but not on the sole merit of them having importable choices. Because that piece of criteria is pretty moot now with The Keep - you won't be able to import them, regardless, unless you go through The Keep.

But since you sign on to the keep using the same account you do to the game won't they be able to make sure you only enter data based on content you have legal access to?

No. Earlier (MUCH earlier) in this thread, it was stated that this would not be the case. There would be questions about DLC/expansions in The Keep, but they would not be checking/dependent on if you owned/have a registered version of this content.

Which is great, since that means they can touch on things that happen in DLC without having to worry about how many people will see it. Or assuming certain choices were made if you didn't own the DLC (like with Awakening, LOTSB or Arrival). 

I would hate for the choice of, say, sparing the Architect be something dismissed or reduced to a small reference just because there are less people with registered copies of Awakening than DA:O or DA2, for instance. I'd like that choice to have some real weight. Giving everyone access to that content, regardless of if they bought the ex-pack or not, will give an even playing field for them to leverage any choice they want in future games.

So... they COULD do what you are suggesting... but it sounds like they are not.

[Fast Jimmy]

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

@AlexJK

So I can easily put my stuff into the keep, so I don't have to worry about forgetting what happened.
It also might be because I'm a strange person.

I think it is strange, although probably not uncommon. People who are really starting to understand how The Keep will work (and how little their current import files really mean to them going forward) will likely have similar endeavours.

Personally, I don't share any such compulsion. I believe one of the key reasons why they are putting so much work into The Keep is to not only make sure the logic for dozens, if not hundreds, of choices and variables all work together to create a stable output file for all five platforms (no small task, to be sure), but ALSO to make the interface enjoyable and informative.

For instance, Gibbed's DA:O Save Editor basically asks something along the line so "Did you set the Messenger free?" Some people may know what this means, but others, particularly those who didn't play Awakening, may have no idea. 

I think part of The Keep may be giving some background, and perhaps even some visual reinactments or prompts, that would help give the user some context and understanding of the choice and situation, even if they don't remember the finer details or never played the content in the first place. Just a hunch on my part, but something I wouldn't be surprised that they were doing, other than creating a very complex online checklist.

[Allan Schumacher]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Yeah.

Also, I wouldn't be concerned about the Keep not offering a range of choices - they've said it'll include major and minor choices from both games, plus not every choice will necessarily have an impact in Inquisition. This worldstate we're making is intended to be one that they can draw from for all future games.

(So to pick an example, Inquisition might not react to whether Hawke gave the qunari their book, but that might come up again as a plot point in DA5.)

IMO, the biggest advantage is that it's easier to maintain going forward.

People have imports into DA2 that are effed up because of bugs.  While those specific issues may never be resolved, it means that going into DA3 it's easier for the player to set the state right.

There's also HUUUUUUUUUUGE advantages to testing the import system.  I wrote a simply program that would extract and randomize the plot variables from DAO for DA2 testing, but there were still issues and it's possible that the randomization stuff didn't appropriately test the system in ways and some stuff slipped through.  The alternative is to do playthroughs and build a save game library with a lot of permutations which can be time consuming.

Now playthrough testers can set up the flags and go, which is a much faster testing setup.

[wright1978]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

No. Earlier (MUCH earlier) in this thread, it was stated that this would not be the case. There would be questions about DLC/expansions in The Keep, but they would not be checking/dependent on if you owned/have a registered version of this content.

Which is great, since that means they can touch on things that happen in DLC without having to worry about how many people will see it. Or assuming certain choices were made if you didn't own the DLC (like with Awakening, LOTSB or Arrival). 

I would hate for the choice of, say, sparing the Architect be something dismissed or reduced to a small reference just because there are less people with registered copies of Awakening than DA:O or DA2, for instance. I'd like that choice to have some real weight. Giving everyone access to that content, regardless of if they bought the ex-pack or not, will give an even playing field for them to leverage any choice they want in future games.

So... they COULD do what you are suggesting... but it sounds like they are not.

Agree i like the notion of DLC content being addressed rather than ignored because someone may not have completed it. I'll be interested to see how they address the DLC issue though. Will there be default choice to tick if the player didn't play Awakening say.

[Scroll]

AlexJK wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

I sat there playing then stopping to write down every minute thing, after my character said or did something I paused the game and wrote it.
I do that whenever I play the game, just in case I forget.

But... why?

I do this too. It's a really old habit from the old days when games where hard and you had to figure things out yourself without hints. Some games had no maps, or quest list etc. I always drew a map and then kept a list of were loot could be, where to purchase stuff, where NPC hanged out and quests I should do.

I have kept it up since, but now days it's all in an Excel spreadsheet or record videos to remember. Hightech!

[SonicMisfit]

I didn' quote to save space.

I kept a log book of what I thought were major decisons for both DAO and ME1 on my last playthroughs. It made sense to me at the time, but there were some instances where I wondered if I had actually made those decisions because when I went to DA2 or ME2, they didn't seem to matter.

I think the idea of the Keep is great because it let's you know what are the REAL decisions that make a difference rather than what you wrote down, while drinking multiple rum and cokes, while playing the game.

[GuitarShredUK]

On the subject of keeping notes on story events etc…I can remember most of the absolute key, major events in my DAO/DA2 playthroughs but I reckon I'll be stumped if anything less than that comes up.

Will the Keep have some sort of help feature, or prompt system to maybe suggest what the outcomes of a certain decision/action/event were, in case the user forgets?

[Vexanie Zinovia]

I've recently gotten a new PC and so therefore I have absolutely NONE of my game saves. I didn't have anything to save the files to and I sold my old PC to a friend of mine, so it was wiped completely. I'm just wanting to make sure I understand the article correctly, and if so it's saying I DON'T NEED the actual files. The Dragon Age Keep allows me to more or less recreate my playthroughs  WITH OUT actually having the files. Correct?