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[Loremaster Nick]

I see there's a bit of an argument about DLCs.

 

Well to me, buying a DLC for 10 dollars means two things:

 

1. You want to play the DLC and see what's in it.

 

2. Since this is DA, buying the DLC also means you don't want to miss anything. If you're really into the story, you want to build a world that's as perfect as possible, and that means buying most, if not all, the DLCs so you don't miss some content on future games.

 

Now, in introducing the Keep, reason #2 is pretty much off the list from here on in since you won't miss the opportunity to build a better world state. So if you bought any previous DLCs with reason #2 in mind, you would feel a bit cheated since you bought the "opportunity" to build a better world state, while others got that "opportunity" free.

 

But if you have both reason#1 and #2 in mind, then you shouldn't feel cheated on, because you wanted that DLC and you paid for it. Others didn't get to experience what you experienced, so that's your one-up on them. They could look up gameplay videos of that DLC on youtube, but you still played it. They didn't.

I think buying DLC for the second reason might not be too smart, since there is next to no guarantee we will see any impact from several of the DLCs outside of the game they are tied to.

[PSUHammer]

I never said it does. Deciding on the plot events from DAO spoils DAO. Same as deciding on plot flags from DA2 spoils DA2.  The degree may vary depending on  the writing, but it's still there.

 

New player that is offered to put ticks for killing Flemmeth,  performing DR and making Alistair King inevitably misses a lot of fun and surprises on their DAO run (if they ever decide to play it).  Same goes for Isabela's fate in the end of act 2 and helping Anders with his quests.   

 

Why are you worrying about what other people should or would enjoy?  If you played them and enjoyed them, then all is well.

[ElitePinecone]

I never said it does. Deciding on the plot events from DAO spoils DAO. Same as deciding on plot flags from DA2 spoils DA2.  The degree may vary depending on  the writing, but it's still there.

 

New player that is offered to put ticks for killing Flemmeth,  performing DR and making Alistair King inevitably misses a lot of fun and surprises on their DAO run (if they ever decide to play it).  Same goes for Isabela's fate in the end of act 2 and helping Anders with his quests.   

 

Okay, then they can just decide not to use the Keep. Players are fully functioning adults who know what they are doing. If they want to be spoiled, they'll be spoiled, and I have no idea why you feel so concerned for them.  

 

Inquisition will still be playable without a save game import, it'll just use a default worldstate. 

[J4N3_M3]

Personally, I think the Keep is a great idea. i don't really care about other players getting something they haven't paid for. I don't have the time to replay DA:O, Awakenings, DA 2 and all the DLCs around and I don't really have a save file for DA:I to import. The Keep means it's going to be easier for me to actually have the same outcome in DA:I without being forced to replay a number of games to get the same result. Yes, I enjoyed the games Yes, I do have a very busy life and therefore not the time to replay it all regardless of the fun I'd have doing so.  

[In Exile]

I think buying DLC for the second reason might not be too smart, since there is next to no guarantee we will see any impact from several of the DLCs outside of the game they are tied to.

 

There's also no guarantee there'll ever be a next game. 

[Calendril]

The argument against the Keep sounds to me like it's about exclusivity and money = status. It seems to be the same mentality that says Coach passengers must use the bathroom at the back of the plane, even though they're only 5 rows away from the one behind the curtain.

 

But we pay for the experience - not the knowledge. Part the price a non-DLC player pays is getting cool plot spoiled. And it's not like all the info isn't out there for them anyway. Thinking that paying for DLC prevents them from knowing stuff is simply wrong.

 

But, the anti-Keep people don't like the idea of someone benefitting from DLC they didn't pay for. The benefit isn't gameplay experience, or knowing stuff, or even past events having an impact on the current story. The actual benefit is having a choice. If the non-DLC guy just gets a default story, that's fine; that guy still gets to make all the DAI choices that everyone else does. He just doesn't get a say in what influences the story made by previous choices.

 

Personally, I have no problem with the Keep because of Context. Ticking boxes is very not the same as having to make a decision in the moment and not know if this is the one that will lead to a change you might/might not intend. Heck, some choices you don't even know are choices.

 

As someone whose first ME game was ME2 (PS3), I had no idea what a lot of the choices in Genesis meant. And it was kind of a let down to have the Virmire choice already laid out for me by the time I got the opportunity to play ME1. That was part of the cost for not playing them in order. But none of that changed the fact that my Shepherd was more alive to me simply because I was able to fine tune parts of his personality and experience that would come into play later.

[wright1978]

I enjoy playing DLC for the story as well as the potential they set up for future referencing. I don't have any issue personally with others getting access to the choice information of DLC's via the keep. Actually i think it is a wonderful thing because it should allow them to reference said content satisfactorily in future installments which often doesn't happen as they have to jump the initial hurdle of accounting for the player not having completed it. Say they want to use Corypheus in DAI but they are aware that many people importing wouldn't have purchased said DLC. Either they'd have to abandon the notion of using him or come up with some other convulted way that the prison was breached without Hawke.

[deuce985]

Wonder if I'll ever get into this beta.

[Naesaki]

Wonder if I'll ever get into this beta.

We all share this sentiment, meanwhile the silent witnesses who are in the Beta can merely rub their hands together and grin as they get to experience it now but not tell us anything

[Aggie Punbot]

I'm not really concerned with getting in. I just want to know how it works. Can I just get rid of my 360 saved games or what? I'm just going to check "story choices" somewhere right?

I think they've said that you won't need your save games at all; however, the prudent thing to do would be to keep them until the game is launched just in case.

[Fast Jimmy]

To beat the dead horse that has become "should the Keep give access to DLC choices that people haven't purchased," it's silly for Bioware to attempt to police such a thing.

For one, Bioware/EA would have to devote resources to monitoring those purchases. While DLC SHOULD be connected to an Origin account, there will always be glitches, weird cases and, overall, nussances that Bioware would then have to solve and fix. Not to mention the fact that it would require a constant refresh of the player's Origin account to track new DLC purchases.

Second, ownership of the DLC means nothing, in reality. It does not mean you've completed the content, that you made any particular choice or that you "deserve" to have that choice respected over anyone else.

Third (and most importantly) it's better for Bioware. No longer do they have to ask "well, only X number of players bought Mark of the Assassin... is that worth having one future reference for? Two? None?" The devs would need to weigh and decide the appearance and significance of an import based on how many owned the DLC.


For instance, I, personally, never bought Legacy. Yet the ending, where it is strongly hinted that Corypheus not only survived in a host body, but escaped could be a very interesting plot point for future games. Same for the Architect - a character which the players who did not buy Awakening may never even know about.

Instead of putting the story into silos, where content can, by default, never be seen by large segments of the population, regardless of how many times/ways they player your game, is silly. I would be quite angry if I bought a game and could not view some of its content not because I hadn't bought additional digitial content for that game, but because I hadn't bought additional digital content for ANOTHER game.


It's like not being able to get a sunroof in your new car because you failed to purchase one in your last car. Absolutely madness.

[GithCheater]

What about the slackers who waited and bought the Ultimate Edition of DAO? 

 

It's an enormous grave injustice rip-off to the bleeding edge people who preordered DAO, that these latecomers get to choose DAO DLC options in The Keep when they got the DLC for "free".

 

As a "special" bleeding edge early buyer of DAO, I demand and am entitled to special exclusive DAI content that only I can unlock.

 

If my demands are not met, I will cancel my exclusive DAI preorder, and refuse to participate in the Keep Beta. 

[JeffZero]

Bleeding edge buying sounds really painful.

[GithCheater]

Real Dragon Age fans give 'til it hurts.

[JeffZero]

Ha!

[Mirdarion]

I'll probably wait to buy the game. After being sorely dissappointed with DA2 and ME3... YOU BET I will wait. I will spoil myself on all the information I can until I feel I can make a sound decision about if it is worth it because why waste money on a game I might hate? Or just might not like. BW has to earn my support after DA2. I gave them a chance with DAO and loved it. Went against my best judgment and got DA2 and while as a game it's okay even fun at times and tedious at others, it is not really DA2 to me. So I'll be waiting and if it doesn't sound that good from what people here say... if I get that strong whiff of disappointment. I'm out. Will be the last I ever bother with BW beyond enjoying DAO.

 

The best idea ever. Why would you give your money to EA before they even gave you something in return? IMO this is pure stupidity which I will never be a part of again, unless it is something where I get enough out of my pre-order to justify it (e.g. CD-Project Red or Eugen). Do you pre-order a car? A house? No? Why then would you pre-order a game. Especially if the company you're giving the money to is known to screw you over. Yes, it is a BioWare game. Yes, most of their games were good. But they also had some bad games in their line-up and there simply is no reason to believe that Inquisition will be different (of course I'll be happy if it is good).

So I won't let myself become a free marketing guy for EA, I won't get "hyped" about Inquisition. And in return I can be happily surprised if it is good, and not be bothered at all if it is bad.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

About the DLC choices being included in the Keep:

 

It's a good thing, in my opinion. If they had a system in place where it would try to detect DLC being tied to people's accounts, there are so many ways that could go wrong. If someone switches game systems and uses a different account, the content might not be detected at all. This problem exists even on the forums, in a way. I own all of the past DA games but can't post in their forums because I've never played them online, so the site can't recognize the fact that I own them. It's frustrating. 

 

Personally, I think the Keep should be more accessible to players - not less. This is coming from someone who bought both DAO and Awakening, then bought the Ultimate Edition because it's the only way I can play the DLC on my offline console. And this is why I want a way for offline players to use the Keep too, because it should be available to everyone - new players, people who have played for years, online/offline, etc. Why in the world would they want to limit the number of people who can enjoy their game's full features? 

[Andraste_Reborn]

The best idea ever. Why would you give your money to EA before they even gave you something in return? IMO this is pure stupidity which I will never be a part of again, unless it is something where I get enough out of my pre-order to justify it (e.g. CD-Project Red or Eugen). Do you pre-order a car? A house? No? Why then would you pre-order a game. Especially if the company you're giving the money to is known to screw you over.

 

I'm not sure what this has to do with the Keep, but I feel the need to present a counter-argument anyway.

 

Here's the thing: I know I'm going to be outside my game store on release day before nine o'clock, with a Danish in one hand and a coffee in the other, waiting impatiently for them to roll up the metal curtain so I can GET TO MY GAME NOWNOWNOW. That's where I was the day DAO was released, and for DA2. I loved both previous instalments in the series, and nothing I've seen about DAI indicates that I won't love that as well. So if they give me any kind of pre-order bonus, why wouldn't I save five minutes on the day by paying in advance? I have absolutely no intention of waiting for reactions from reviewers or other players. In fact, I'll be deliberately avoiding those until I've played the game and formed my own opinion.

 

If you have misgivings about DAI, waiting is obviously the smart thing to do. But if you loved both DAO and DA2 and are pretty sure you're going to love the next one as well, why not pre-order and get the DLC and mouse mat or whatever?

 

(And incidentally, people do pre-order houses sometimes. My aunt bought her place off the plans before a single brick had been laid.)

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I've bought a few games on release date, but never pre-ordered. I just don't trust them to take my money before the game is in my hands.  And most of the bonus stuff is online content that I don't have access to anyway. 

 

I loved DAO, Awakening and DA2, but I'm definitely going to wait for all the info before choosing to buy DAI or not - and the Keep is one of the reasons why. Important game features being online-only is something I hated about ME3 and it concerns me for DAI as well. I'm not going to buy the game at full price if I can't use the full features. 

[Little Princess Peach]

What about the slackers who waited and bought the Ultimate Edition of DAO? 

 

It's an enormous grave injustice rip-off to the bleeding edge people who preordered DAO, that these latecomers get to choose DAO DLC options in The Keep when they got the DLC for "free".

 

As a "special" bleeding edge early buyer of DAO, I demand and am entitled to special exclusive DAI content that only I can unlock.

 

If my demands are not met, I will cancel my exclusive DAI preorder, and refuse to participate in the Keep Beta. 

That sounds rather childish don't you think? I normally wait for the games to go down in price before I buy them especially the games that I want more, I came  late to the dragon age addiction but I'm still a fan non the less.

 

The games are the same no matter what time period you have brought them in and before you say I did not understand you're comment let me digress I did understand and it sounded like whining, yes you are entitled to you're opinion and all that but try to stay calm about it I doubt you would want someone saying to you that you can't play lets say Masseffect's new content because you only just picked it up.

[Zu Long]

That sounds rather childish don't you think? I normally wait for the games to go down in price before I buy them especially the games that I want more, I came  late to the dragon age addiction but I'm still a fan non the less.

 

The games are the same no matter what time period you have brought them in and before you say I did not understand you're comment let me digress I did understand and it sounded like whining, yes you are entitled to you're opinion and all that but try to stay calm about it I doubt you would want someone saying to you that you can't play lets say Masseffect's new content because you only just picked it up.

 

I'm pretty sure the person you quoted was being sarcastic, as indicated by the eyeroll smiley.