Maybe they'll just pull a Revan and make the Warden and Hawke wear a mask and androgynous robes the whole time.
They'd still have to have them talk, so it's going to have to know at least their gender.
And since the Warden could be human, elf, or dwarf, they'd probably have to know that, too, since otherwise you'd end up with a very tall dwarf or a short human or a stocky elf...
They'd still have to have them talk, so it's going to have to know at least their gender.
And since the Warden could be human, elf, or dwarf, they'd probably have to know that, too, since otherwise you'd end up with a very tall dwarf or a short human or a stocky elf...
HA. That's true. So gender and race and class for Warden and gender and class for Hawke at the minimum then? Lets hope so. I'd hate to play a tall dwarf.
I know we've been a bit quiet recently, but we'll have a bunch more info 'really soon'. And we'll definitely be able to answer more specific questions as we get closer to launch.
But in the meantime I couldn't help notice that some of the recent questions here about Keep, incl whether devs said this or that, I had actually talked about on this youtube interview (in case some of you hadn't come across it yet, and wanted to hear it from the "horse's mouth" as it were
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Also, Keep beta sign-ups are still open. Folks are not picked by 'first come, first serve', so even if you register now you still have just as much chance as anyone to get in. Good luck.
Lastly, I know some of you are not on twitter, but even if you don't have an account (and don't create an account) you can still keep an eye on #dragonagekeep (or your fav dev or official account for that matter, by replacing #dragonagekeep with their twitter name
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Between the BW blog, here on the forums, and twitter, you'll have all the latest Keep info we can share.
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Awesome That answered most of my questions. Thanks. Hopefully we can redesign our Wardens and Hawkes in DA:I, and the most relative appearance data could be added to the keep from there for future games. Hair and eye color, etc. if not all the nuance.
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I feel like that since it was mentioned earlier on that Warden-Commander and Hawke would be making an appearance in some aspect of the game and with what we know about the Keep as well as the return of the Race & class system makes me think that we will at least be able to update their appearances. The question I have now is will we be able to say that the WC was a Qunari? or Hawke was an elf?
I feel like that since it was mentioned earlier on that Warden-Commander and Hawke would be making an appearance in some aspect of the game and with what we know about the Keep as well as the return of the Race & class system makes me think that we will at least be able to update their appearances. The question I have now is will we be able to say that the WC was a Qunari? or Hawke was an elf?
"Appears" is a very vague term and it doesn't necessarily mean that we will physically see the Warden or Hawke. It has already been said that there will not be a character creator in the keep, so I would temper expectations of seeing them until it is confirmed that you will actually see Hawke and the Warden rather than say getting letters from them or something. lol
I am worried about this Warden/Hawke Returning stuff because I am scared they will pull a Revan making the Warden a Human Noble Warrior and that would make no sense considering my Canon Warden was a Elf Mage.
Personally I just want brief mentionings from former companions/LI's and thats all I don't even need to see them or talk to them but thats just my opinion anyway.
I think they've gotten enough feedback throughout the process/previous games to know how to do something like bringing the wardern/Hawke back appropriately (if they choose to). I really don't have any feelings about it either way, but if they're back I'd like them to at least resemble in some fashion the characters I created. I wouldn't appreciate a male warrior warden showing up instead of a female elf rogue.
I'm just more excited to get my hands on the keep when it's released! I'm hoping they do something along the lines of an interactive story telling type thing. Like Varric describes what happened with Hawke and you can make the choices as he goes on.
I have a question and I don't know if it has been answered or even if it can be answered but here goes. How detailed is the keep? My main concern is about all the "little" quests that might have an impact. I know it will hit main points like who you sided with Werewolves or the Keeper or made Peace, Anders live/die, Warden Sacrifice or OGB ect,
My question is about little issues, as we all know, or should about Dagna "showing up" in DA:I because of her "training" at the circle, what if we didn't do that quest ect.. How detailed is the keep for choices that may seem insignificant at the moment but now has or might have some small impact on the game.
They haven't released too many details, but from what I've seen/read it seems to be pretty detailed. At one point a number of choices was thrown out and a chart of plot points was shown and there were tons. I believe the number was 100+ but I can't say for sure. I'm sure it's in this thread somewhere.
They haven't released too many details, but from what I've seen/read it seems to be pretty detailed. At one point a number of choices was thrown out and a chart of plot points was shown and there were tons. I believe the number was 100+ but I can't say for sure. I'm sure it's in this thread somewhere.
If it's in the thread it's not posted by BioWare so I wouldn't put to much stock in it unless it was someone who is in Beta and was allowed to post the information.
No, it was a direct quote from Bioware with a blurry photo of all the plot points in the keep. It was from a video I believe. It wasn't something posted by a forum user.
It may have been in the same video that we saw the gameplay footage with the bearded warden. I recall it being some kind of interview at their studio, but again, there's so many videos it's hard to completely remember. But I do remember the plot points that we get to choose being really substantial.
No, it was a direct quote from Bioware with a blurry photo of all the plot points in the keep. It was from a video I believe. It wasn't something posted by a forum user.
It may have been in the same video that we saw the gameplay footage with the bearded warden. I recall it being some kind of interview at their studio, but again, there's so many videos it's hard to completely remember. But I do remember the plot points that we get to choose being really substantial.
It was a tweet from Sprint Review Day.
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Hrm. Personally I'd rather not see the Warden or Hawke in-game unless we can specify their physical appearance. For me (and I imagine for quite a lot of other players too) that would suck. I'd be happier with codex entries and letters etc rather than find myself looking at random representations that don't mean anything to me. Just have to wait and see I guess.
Since DAI will have body models for humans, dwarves and elves, I think that IF the Warden and Hawke make a physical appearance, they will be wearing a helmet/hood and clever camera angles will obscure the face.
Hawke is more likely to speak a line or two since he/she has both a dedicated VA and the dominant personality/tone system.
Updating their appearances ourselves for a major role in the game would be outstanding... but extremely unlikely.
That's an interesting idea. To me, if a user's own character models for Warden and Hawke could appear in DAI it would be very weird from my perspective, as I model my main playthrough characters for most RPGs I play on myself - so you can probably spot the issue. If they do appear, then that would be great; but like Szithlin mentioned about letters or other correspondence that would be OK with me.
Seeing Hawke, especially with continuing romances (i.e. post DA2 ending) would be cool, but again this also requires much more writing and integration into DAI.
Consider that we won't be visiting western Ferelden or the Free Marches, where the Warden and Hawke hang out. If the Fade tears are happening outside Orlais, it's likely that the Hero of Ferelden and the Champion of Kirkwall are also dealing with them in their own ways.I don't doubt that the Warden and Hawke will have some sort of role in Inquisition, they've been hinting too much for there not to be something, but I don't think an actual onscreen physical appearance is in the cards. Too many headaches. There are other ways for them to be involved.
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If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.
What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to categorically disagree with you there.
The existence of unresolved plot threads is not a "cliffhanger". That is an abuse of the term (much like "cliche", "retcon" or "Mary Sure" in just about any Internet forum). A cliffhanger is when the central conflict of a story is not resolved. DAO would have been a cliffhanger if the story had ended en route to Denerim for the final battle.
You left wondering what happened to your Warden if you entered the Eluvian with Morrigan is more about closure... but that's another term that people like to invoke a bit too freely. An amiguous ending-- "walking off into the sunset"-- is often something that is done deliberately to allow the player to imagine where they went and what they did. Some people claim, however, that they will not ever get proper closure so long as there's still something they imagine their hero doing. They want to know what happened to them and Alistair, how they ruled Ferelden, where they went with Morrigan... if there's even a hint that it might have been something exciting, they consider that an unfinished story rather than a brand-new one.
But it would be a brand-new story, as the previous one was indeed resolved. The conflict ended, even if a new one began. The idea that we would have to either kill the hero or effectively kill all interest in their future in order to provide real closure is a bit ludicrous.
As for the territoriality involved in that character, as in the player feeling the character is "theirs" even if they've moved onto a new story and a new protagonist, that's probably inevitable. Short of skipping to another side of the world or another time, there's bound to be some contravention of headcanon ("I didn't imagine MY character doing THAT!"). Generally the rule is that we'll approach any use of the previous PC much more carefully than characters around the PC (like, say, Alistair or Morrigan). Inevitably it's possible we'll contravene the player's headcanon no matter what, and that's a possibility that exists the moment you stop playing the character, but we'll do our best to steer around it whenever we can.
Again, neither of these are cliffhangers. They had plots, and those plots were resolved. An unresolved plot thread is not the same as an unresolved plot, and the fact you might be interested in what comes next does not mean that what comes next is not a brand new story. I appreciate that some people want every single thing to be wrapped up neatly and completely final before they feel they can "move on", but that's neither something that stories always do nor is it something I would even consider a requirement.
Possibly.
Plot threads exist to be picked up and played with, like cats with string
Excellent. That is, however, a new story
David Gaider
Why is that a false expectation? Obviously it's a plot thread we intend to play with. It's not going to be with you playing as the Warden, however -- ultimately that character is ours now, and while we'll tread as carefully as we can, the fact remains that new plots may use them in some capacity.
Contravention of headcanon is always a possibility whenever a sequel's involved. Gosh, I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth that would have occurred if we had used the Warden as the protagonist in DA2 and had something happen to them that they didn't imagine in their head-- like Leliana being alive. Oh noes! On that point, I'm afraid we will simply have to invoke authorial prerogative. Sorry. Hope it all makes sense once you see it play out, and thus eases your concern... but I can't promise that'll be the case.
David Gaider
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Hawke and/or the Warden appear, they will not be playable. They are now NPC's. Ideally the player will have a say in their import state (and thus their appearance), but that does not extend to control over their actions following the end of the stories they originally appeared in. That said, I doubt we would go out of our way to have them do things which would be wildly problematic... but that really depends on what one personally considers "wildly problematic", particularly if they have very specific headcanon regarding what they believe their former PC's went on to do.
I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).
That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.
I've seen some of the concerns people are posting about Warden Hawke appearance before, so I'm just going posting everything David Gaider has said about it thus far.
Consider that we won't be visiting western Ferelden or the Free Marches, where the Warden and Hawke hang out. If the Fade tears are happening outside Orlais, it's likely that the Hero of Ferelden and the Champion of Kirkwall are also dealing with them in their own ways.
Isn't Crestwood in western Ferelden?
Yes, I think CENIC meant east.Isn't Crestwood in western Ferelden?
Yes, I think CENIC meant east.
Thanks. I figured as much which prompted me to ask the question.
So next Wednesday it will be six weeks since the last wave of invites went out. Good time for another one right? 
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