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[VampireSoap]

OP, I can't believe you failed to understand what those sentences meant. You seem like a bright fellow...at first glance

[Reidbynature]

Taleroth wrote...

You put it in a bit more hyperbolic terms.

No I didn't.  I'm saying they don't have to match up to an imaginary character pictured in players minds.  The Keep system could likely extend to the Warden and Hawke and they recognise the decisions made in previous games.  They're never going to act exactly like players imagined in their heads at home, but they can act vaguely within the decisions made in previous games.

[Spectre slayer]

Eterna5 wrote...

No they will not be. Stop asking for it.

They will be mentioned, which is why the details of your Warden and Hawke are important. 

Why are you so sure they won't return are you in somekind of role whether it's as an agent, a plot device, or something else you can't be sure of anything nor do you actually know what kind of plan they might have in store for them and this whole keep thing wants to know how we modified them, and giving people the ability to create the worlds whatever way we want.

Whether they return or not is entirely up to them and personally i really don't care either way.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 28 août 2013 - 08:05 .

[Taleroth]

Reidbynature wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

You put it in a bit more hyperbolic terms.

No I didn't.

Talking of BSN falling apart as if that was the perceived consequence was hyperbolic. It was never the argument against it.

I'm saying they don't have to match up to an imaginary character pictured in players minds.  The Keep system could likely extend to the Warden and Hawke and they recognise the decisions made in previous games.  They're never going to act exactly like players imagined in their heads at home, but they can act vaguely within the decisions made in previous games.

They can do lots of things. One thing they're very unlikely to do is create a complex character made from choice analysis. The Warden can say "I saved the mages" he can never express an opinion on mages or have a stance in the war. Because that data doesn't exist. And a character that is incapable of expressing opinions, merely reiterating actions, is no character at all

Trying to bridge that gap might be vaguely possible, but it's a lot of effort to no real good. It's not worth it. Nothing good can come of trying to make the Warden an NPC. Anything more than a singular canon would itself be too much work. And the singular canon would render irrelevant the value of the appearance for anyone who deviated from it.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 08:16 .

[Bekkael]

happy_daiz wrote...

They just want to know a few details about your Wardens and Hawkes, so they can display the appropriate messages on their headstones.

*bawls inconsolably*

[Reidbynature]

Taleroth wrote...

Nothing good can come of trying to make the Warden an NPC.

Agree to disagree.

[esper]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No they will not be. Stop asking for it.

They will be mentioned, which is why the details of your Warden and Hawke are important. 

Why are you so sure they won't return are you in somekind of role whether it's as an agent, a plot device, or something else you can't be sure of anything nor do you actually know what kind of plan they might have in store for them and this whole keep thing wants to know how we modified them, and giving people the ability to create the worlds whatever way we want.

Whether they return or not is entirely up to them and personally i really don't care either way.

Because it would not be our warden and Hawk returning, but just some grotesque npc, looking a lot like them.

[Eterna]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No they will not be. Stop asking for it.

They will be mentioned, which is why the details of your Warden and Hawke are important. 

Why are you so sure they won't return are you in somekind of role whether it's as an agent, a plot device, or something else you can't be sure of anything nor do you actually know what kind of plan they might have in store for them and this whole keep thing wants to know how we modified them, and giving people the ability to create the worlds whatever way we want.

Whether they return or not is entirely up to them and personally i really don't care either way.

Gaiders statments in a thread just like this a few weeks ago almost confimrs that they don't wan't to touch them. 

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

happy_daiz wrote...

They just want to know a few details about your Wardens and Hawkes, so they can display the appropriate messages on their headstones.

"Here lies: The Warden.  Died of Dysentary outside of Denerim."

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Why are you so sure they won't return are you in somekind of role whether it's as an agent, a plot device, or something else you can't be sure of anything nor do you actually know what kind of plan they might have in store for them and this whole keep thing wants to know how we modified them, and giving people the ability to create the worlds whatever way we want.

Whether they return or not is entirely up to them and personally i really don't care either way.

I absolutely care what happens to the Warden and Hawke.  I spent a lot of time with both, enough to imagine stories and moments they might have shared with the companions off camera and during downtime.  It is exactly because BioWare is so good at creating memorable characters and stories that I'm very much worried adding the Warden and Hawke to DAI is going to spray gallons of burning vomit straight up into the air.  If Hawke and The Warden come back...  They damn well better look like my Hawke and my Warden or I'm going to frown at the game in a very stern fashion.  I mean... sterner than stern.  I'm not going to claim it will ruin the game, but it will annoy the crap out of me.

As for how DAK can solve this...  Since I would imagine your Warden's race and sex (yes, please, mirite?) will be two of the basic flags in the DAO section, DAI could couple those to the fact that it's been several years since DAO.  Meaning that a living Warden could very well be consumed by the Taint... so all BW would need to do would be create a male and female "Darkspawn Warden" of each race and boom, done.  There's the Warden.  It would amuse me to no end if the Warden's only spoken line was something like "Ruuurr!"  Or "Blargh!"  I might even steeple my fingers while I giggled.

Hawke is a different story.  The voices would be easy... but, damn they would need to look like my character or I will be deeply displeased.  I'm hoping DAK has some kind of "import" function where you can point it to your games and let it slurp up the appearances.  Even if Hawke is a bit off... I'm ok with that.  It's just if I played a black-asian Hawkette in DA2 and in DAI she's like a blond Brazilian...  I'm going to be pretty annoyed.

Time will tell and I trust BioWare.  Looking forward to details on DAK.  This will be an interesting topic going forward.

[AppealToReason]

I read that so that NPCs whether they are bar patrons or former allies/enemies/companions will make reference to the Warden/Hawke being male/female, race, who they were boning etc. instead of them actively appearing. Probably also give some sort of codex entry that has been adlibbed in a similar sense to reflect who the previous avatars were.

[Herr Uhl]

Might be because the look of the characters were in the original save files.

[Androme]

Can people please stop using the ''argument'': ''If Hawke and Warden is in the game that'll break my headcanon''. Devs have said numerous times that they don't give two ****s about headcanon.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

*holds up pin*

Perhaps this only means as a way to talk about the Warden and Hawke with fine detail within DAI, but not necessarily add the character to it. I would very surprised if they did have the Warden and Hawke physically in DAI.

Pretty much what Phoenix said.
One of the devs already said you are better off not expecting to see them in DAI rather than to expect them and be disappointed that they weren't there.

[Wickwrackscar]

I somewhat doubt that Keep will allow you to specify the appearance of Hawke or the Warden.

From what I got out of the Blog (and the beta disclaimer) Dragon Age Keep runs on a web interface (IIRC the beta disclaimer refers to it as "the site"). It makes sense. This way you can access your data no matter the platform.
And I doubt a full fledged character creator with 3D models would run in most web browsers. So I guess "modify" does not mean "modify appearance". A conclusion would be, that we won't "see" the Warden or Hawke in DA:I.

But that's just my interpretation.

[Angrywolves]

Another nonsensical thread.
BSN is awash with them these days it seems.
Bioware considers the warden and hawke irrelevant .
They won't be in DAI.
Maybe someday Gaider will take pity on the fans "rolls eyes" and we'll learn the warden and hawke's fates.
He's under no obligation to do so however .
shrugs.

[Androme]

Angrywolves wrote...

Another nonsensical thread.
BSN is awash with them these days it seems.
Bioware considers the warden and hawke irrelevant .
They won't be in DAI.
Maybe someday Gaider will take pity on the fans "rolls eyes" and we'll learn the warden and hawke's fates.
He's under no obligation to do so however .
shrugs.

This post is pretty nonsensical

[TeamLexana]

I'm worried because I know how Bioware's Reven turned out when they brought him back in the online game. I haven't played those games myself, but I heard it was pretty bad. I'd like to think they wouldn't repeat that kind of mistake but I remember right the time I played through Tuchanka in ME3 and the first rumbelings of tears over ending started popping up.

Tuchanka is probably one of my favorite sectons of the game It nails it many levels, Wrex or Wreav were in charge according to your choice in ME1 to kill Wrex or not and they were both distinctively their own characters as well. Wrex seemed like he'd be a good leader, while Wreav... not so much, not unless you want a live reactment of the Krogan Rebellion of course, lol. Eve could live or die according to your choice in ME2 to save rhe cure research or not. The real cure being released or not was your choice, Mordin could also technically live if you wanted and made the right past decisions for that option. Mordin died in mine and it was saaaad, then Grunt seemingly was about to die as well in the very next mission that I did and I was freaking out, lol, I couldn't take it if he died so soon after Mordin... but then he doesn't! And it's awesome!

So when the rumors were floating around and I had freinds messaging me about the ending, I didn't really believe it. I was like Bioware would not frack up their game that bad again, not after DA2. Which was baaad for a Bioware game. I'm sorry, but it was. Support one faction over the other 100% of the way and both sides still attack you. Spend YEARS with these companions and Hawke still has seemingly little influence on them nor do they grow and evolve as characters, for example: Fenris is still a mage hating grouch, and Anders will still blow up a chantry full of peeps. That's a pretty big step backwards from Origins and not for the better

So I refused to believe it... then I got to the end and... yup, it's pretty bad, lol. Pick a color. Everyone dies. The end. I still don't understand what the hell happened.there. The expanded ending is better, I can't lie, but its still bad.

So when it comes to repeating Reven with the Warden or even Hawke, I'm really scared about it.

[Urazz]

Androme wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Hawke would be easier to implement because of the fixed voice.

They'll probably add fixed voice for the Warden aswell if he/she is in the game. The Inquisitor will be voiced and can be two genders and three races. They're not gonna go with six voice actors, so it's obviously two, they can do the exact same for the Warden.

I think it would be harder for the Warden as the Warden could be Dalish, an Orzammar Dwarf, or a human or city elf.

The human and city elf could be voiced by the same people as they would have the same accent but the dalish and dwarves are from different areas and have different accents.

The inquisitor will be different because he/she will most likely be from the same city/town but will be a surface dwarf, city elf, or human and thus they will have the same accent and can be voiced by the same people.

Of course they may just use 2 voice actors for the warden just to make things easier and to save on money.

[Androme]

TeamLexana wrote...

I'm worried because I know how Bioware's Reven turned out when they brought him back in the online game. I haven't played those games myself, but I heard it was pretty bad. I'd like to think they wouldn't repeat that kind of mistake but I remember right the time I played through Tuchanka in ME3 and the first rumbelings of tears over ending started popping up.

Tuchanka is probably one of my favorite sectons of the game It nails it many levels, Wrex or Wreav were in charge according to your choice in ME1 to kill Wrex or not and they were both distinctively their own characters as well. Wrex seemed like he'd be a good leader, while Wreav... not so much, not unless you want a live reactment of the Krogan Rebellion of course, lol. Eve could live or die according to your choice in ME2 to save rhe cure research or not. The real cure being released or not was your choice, Mordin could also technically live if you wanted and made the right past decisions for that option. Mordin died in mine and it was saaaad, then Grunt seemingly was about to die as well in the very next mission that I did and I was freaking out, lol, I couldn't take it if he died so soon after Mordin... but then he doesn't! And it's awesome!

So when the rumors were floating around and I had freinds messaging me about the ending, I didn't really believe it. I was like Bioware would not frack up their game that bad again, not after DA2. Which was baaad for a Bioware game. I'm sorry, but it was. Support one faction over the other 100% of the way and both sides still attack you. Spend YEARS with these companions and Hawke still has seemingly little influence on them nor do they grow and evolve as characters, for example: Fenris is still a mage hating grouch, and Anders will still blow up a chantry full of peeps. That's a pretty big step backwards from Origins and not for the better

So I refused to believe it... then I got to the end and... yup, it's pretty bad, lol. Pick a color. Everyone dies. The end. I still don't understand what the hell happened.there. The expanded ending is better, I can't lie, but its still bad.

So when it comes to repeating Reven with the Warden or even Hawke, I'm really scared about it.

I agree with your post, but you should add a spoiler tag just in case someone here hasn't finished ME3 yet and accidently reads your post .

[Spectre slayer]

Eterna5 wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
No they will not be. Stop asking for it.
They will be mentioned, which is why the details of your Warden and Hawke are important. 

Why are you so sure they won't return are you in somekind of role whether it's as an agent, a plot device, or something else you can't be sure of anything nor do you actually know what kind of plan they might have in store for them and this whole keep thing wants to know how we modified them, and giving people the ability to create the worlds whatever way we want.
Whether they return or not is entirely up to them and personally i really don't care either way.

Gaiders statments in a thread just like this a few weeks ago almost confimrs that they don't wan't to touch them. 

What he didn't want to touch was making them companions or having 3 protagonists which he replied hell no, and the reason they are hesitant is because of fans chafing at the mention that they "might" want to put them in game. 

"We'll probably have enough problems with some folks chafing at any attempt by the writers to give the Warden or Hawke an actual place in the story ("why can't I choose it? Why can't you just write different versions of every conversation to accommodate all my previous choices as well as my headcanon?") despite them both now being NPC's... putting them in the party would only open up calls for the player to roleplay them just as they roleplay the Inquisitor. Three PC's, in other words.


So, no. HELL no. Despite how awesome that might seem in your head, it would not be that awesome in practice"-David Gaider


"At any rate, I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it. We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware"- David Gaider



Again: too bad, sorry. We'll do our best to respect the choices that were made, but take no responsibility for headcanon with regards to what you believe those choices led to after the end of the game in which those characters appeared.-David Gaider

Also a few others including him said it's not off the table but they aren't saying they will either just don't expect things or actually consider your playthroughs as actual headcanon because they don't really care, one of them even mentioned it was a mistake to end DA2 the way they did.

If they do or don't appear is entirely up to them and neither one is completely off the table.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 28 août 2013 - 10:54 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Androme wrote...

Can people please stop using the ''argument'': ''If Hawke and Warden is in the game that'll break my headcanon''. Devs have said numerous times that they don't give two ****s about headcanon.

What headcanon is it that my warden want travel not be warden is my headcanon not rly i could take that option and shape warden personality which now they will replace with their own because every created different warden... 

[kingjezza]

I want to fight my wardens!

[Urazz]

Who gives a crap about a player's headcanon? The Warden and Hawke stopped being our characters once their respective games ended.  Bioware should respect the choices we made for our old characters but they do have the right to control what they do after their games ended.

Modifié par Urazz, 28 août 2013 - 10:47 .