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[Herr Uhl]

Urazz wrote...

Who gives a crap about a player's headcanon? The Warden and Hawke stopped being our characters once their respective games ended.

Then why use them in another game? Where is the gain?

It would be more satisfying to have them killed by falling rocks than inserted as a token character with the personality of a paper bag, or alternatively, a completely different personality.

[Sylvianus]

It's funny how one line agitates some people.

[Taleroth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Urazz wrote...

Who gives a crap about a player's headcanon? The Warden and Hawke stopped being our characters once their respective games ended.

Then why use them in another game? Where is the gain?

It would be more satisfying to have them killed by falling rocks than inserted as a token character with the personality of a paper bag, or alternatively, a completely different personality.

Some players have no attachment to the character they played. Or at least not that they are aware of.

To them, seeing Hawke or the Warden again would be like seeing a SUPERAWESOME high level NPC and that's enough, apparently.

Or that's one of several reasons, I don't imagine they all are exactly the same way. Some might just feel that it makes for awesome storytelling. Others may believe that Bioware's choice for the character will be exactly what theirs was (because, why wouldn't it? Bioware obviously agrees with me on what makes a good character) and there will be no problem. And yet others may believe that the canonization of the PCs will give them a reference frame for establishing a single coherent story in which all material falls together and is right. And they believe that would be favorable.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 11:19 .

[Sylvianus]

Taleroth wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Urazz wrote...

Who gives a crap about a player's headcanon? The Warden and Hawke stopped being our characters once their respective games ended.

Then why use them in another game? Where is the gain?

It would be more satisfying to have them killed by falling rocks than inserted as a token character with the personality of a paper bag, or alternatively, a completely different personality.

Some players have no attachment to the character they played. Or at least not that they are aware of.

To them, seeing Hawke or the Warden again would be like seeing a SUPERAWESOME high level NPC and that's enough, apparently.

  The majority of those who'd like to see their warden or their hawk loved and love their PC.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 août 2013 - 11:19 .

[Taleroth]

Sylvianus wrote...

That's bull****.  The majority of those who'd like to see their warden or their hawk loved and love their PC. 

What he and I are talking about, it wouldn't be your Warden or Hawke. It would simply be wearing their nametag.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 11:21 .

[In Exile]

Sylvianus wrote...
  The majority of those who'd like to see their warden or their hawk loved and love their PC.

And those of us who don't want to see them care just as much. It's why we'd like hands off. 

[Sylvianus]

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

That's bull****.  The majority of those who'd like to see their warden or their hawk loved and love their PC. 

What he and I are talking about, it wouldn't be your Warden or Hawke anymore.

And that's fine, if you think so. But I don't think you should say such things, because that isn't true at all. And not everyone has the same conception. I'd find definitely cool to see my warden again, even if I don't control him anymore. Doesn't mean I have no attachment.

Me, when I see some people saying, I don't care about closure, I pretend it didn't happen, headcanon, blah blah blah,
I can't really understand either.

[philippe willaume]

Well i like the idea.
no-one is forcing people to actually use the tool.
so really it's all good

[Taleroth]

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd find definitely cool to see my warden again,

Except it wouldn't be your Warden.

[MaraGriffyn]

Also, having a plot flag for something doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be used in DAI. It would be impossible to reference all previous decisions made in the new game. All it means is that it's information the devs consider significant enough that they might reference it in a current or future game.

[Sylvianus]

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd find definitely cool to see my warden again,

Except it wouldn't be your Warden.

It would be a NPC of my warden, yes I know. But If I can have my closure, I have no issue with that. There's nothing worse than that.

[Taleroth]

Sylvianus wrote...

It would be a NPC of my warden, yes I know.

No, it wouldn't be an NPC of your Warden. It would be an NPC with your Warden's nametag.

But If I can have my closure, I have no issue with that. 

You don't need a skindancer traipsing about in your PC's skin to find out why he disappeared.

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 août 2013 - 11:35 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Sylvianus wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd find definitely cool to see my warden again,

Except it wouldn't be your Warden.

It would be a NPC of my warden, yes I know. But If I can have my closure, I have no issue with that. There's nothing worse than that.

What if your Warden shows up to announce s/he has lost all their money, got dumped by their LI and will have to work in the pearl for the rest of their life. Would you be content with that closure?

[Starwingz]

Jeez some people are really pessimistic in here. If hinted face recreation of Warden/Hawke in that Dragon Keep thing is true then of course it would be your old char. As for dialogue it would probably be like Hawke talking to others in party banter as seen in Legacy/Mark of Assassin i guess. And barely anyone cared about this if i recall correctly. Feedback on those 2 DLCs was rather positive even if i recall right. But we all have different tastes and we cant please everyone so there will be things we like and things we dislike.

But if you ask me this is much better than having your old char getting magically erased from peoples head and completely forgotten for every new game that comes along. It makes their achievments feel pointless.

[Sylvianus]

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

It would be a NPC of my warden, yes I know.

No, it wouldn't be an NPC of your Warden. It would be an NPC with your Warden's nametag. As much your Warden as Alistair.

An NPC with Warden's nametag, I could customize maybe with the dragon keep ( that would be fun ). Yep no issue. And ?  I still don't know what you are looking for when you tell me, repeat over and over such things. It has no effet on me . You do realize that your conception, your point of view, headcanon, leave them alone, and blah blah blah aren't unilateral, right ?

The truth is that those who might want to see their warden again have accepted that they couldn't control them, so saying it is an NPC, it is an NPC, it is an NPC isn't really what will convince them.

Like many of you said, the warden's story is OVER. Now, it is inquisitor's journey. You have your headcanon, fine. For you it's over. I don't consider my warden's story over, he is still in the middle of something I know nothing about and I ask Bioware to end his story for real. I DON'T CARE about HEADCANON. At least I want something explained.

You'll just have to pretend it didn't happen, headcanon blah blah, if he appears in DAI anyways. You are good at this game.

And I don't necessarily need that he appears, but if they do so,, I won't disagree.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 août 2013 - 11:48 .

[Sylvianus]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd find definitely cool to see my warden again,

Except it wouldn't be your Warden.

It would be a NPC of my warden, yes I know. But If I can have my closure, I have no issue with that. There's nothing worse than that.

What if your Warden shows up to announce s/he has lost all their money, got dumped by their LI and will have to work in the pearl for the rest of their life. Would you be content with that closure?

I'd love that.

[Taleroth]

Sylvianus wrote...

An NPC with Warden's nametag, I could customize maybe with the dragon keep ( that would be fun ). Yep no issue. And ? 

So the only thing you want is a character that looks like him. Got it.

I don't know why you would be attached to a character that has so little in common with the one you spent time with, but at least there's an understanding.

Modifié par Taleroth, 29 août 2013 - 12:00 .

[Sylvianus]

Derp. The thing I'd like is closure for my warden, whatever the means used. His story is over anyway. My new PC will be the inquisitor.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 29 août 2013 - 12:02 .

[Taleroth]

Sylvianus wrote...

Derp. The thing I'd like is closure for my warden, whatever the means used.

 It's not needed to show the Warden for closure. And showing the Warden does not ensure closure. There is simply no connection.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sylvianus wrote...

Derp. The thing I'd like is closure for my warden, whatever the means used. His story is over anyway. My new PC will be the inquisitor.

You decided what was your closure it was like riding into the sunset ending your warden had personality that you have chosen for your own warden as others players for their own ,you could be from messiah to psychopath going through many personalities between warden doesn't have own personality only that you create.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 août 2013 - 12:08 .

[Sylvianus]

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Derp. The thing I'd like is closure for my warden, whatever the means used.

 It's not needed to show the Warden for closure. And showing the Warden does not ensure closure. There is simply no connection.

On that we can agree. it's not needed. But with enough imagination, I guess you can imagine many scenario that could let him play a minor role in the next story for a closure. After all, why would he live happily ever while the world is collapsing and burning ? The same for Hawk...

I'm not saying this is what I want, but I wouldn't think that his appearance couldn't bring itself ( at least help ) a closure. There's a difference between the stubborn refusal to see him again, and the assertion that it wouldn't ensure closure.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 29 août 2013 - 12:10 .

[Mecha Elf]

I wanna re customize them that'd be fun.. But idk how they could implement them both in Inquisition

[Thy Bleed]

I like knowing that my Hawke and Warden is still out there in my game world kicking ass and leading followers on a different adventure. I want them seen and mentioned throughout my inquisition adventure. Hell, I'd even like a team-up mission or something where all my previous main characters meet up and are fighting along side each other in some dragon pit. That'd be hella sweet.

[TeamLexana]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to my Warden to return, but unless its a full on return as the pc - I am not sure I trust it to be anything more than a full on character assasination like Reven or even Anders/Justice.

That doesn't mean that I don't want to know what happened to them and what everyone is doing to find them and if they are safe. My fav Warden for example was a Cousland that rules beside Alistair and he loves her - not headcannon - he said it himself. If the comic where Alistair looks for his father is suspose to be canon, then what would this same Alistair do if his Queen, his wife, the woman he loves went missing? This isn't some crazy fan service rquest, wake of her dissapearence would be felt

The only non US Warden types that I am not too worried about are the male ones that went off to MirrorLand with Morrigan, cuz THATS why they disapeared... 99% of every other playthrough? Yeah.... very unsatisfactory.

[Merengues 1945]

Androme wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Hawke would be easier to implement because of the fixed voice.

They'll probably add fixed voice for the Warden aswell if he/she is in the game. The Inquisitor will be voiced and can be two genders and three races. They're not gonna go with six voice actors, so it's obviously two, they can do the exact same for the Warden.

I would prefer if he/she communicates only with text.

And well I think I will just use the keep to recreate my tree favorite origins runs (Male human noble banging Morrigan and Anora + Male Dalish elf ploughing Leliana and dying + Female City elf banging Alistair) and my favorite DA2 run (Female Mage Hawke banging Fenris and making funny comments on everything).... Almost every scenario makes possible a cameo from them and I really hope so, in a total war, the top players can't be on bench.

A DA:I without The Warden Commander and Hawke will be like if you bench Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux in a game for human survival.