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[Ledgend1221]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

The best defense is a good offence.

And yes, all Volus other then the engineer are bad, because Volus are support classes.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Mmkay. Hold on a second.

We need to define "best" here. I was under the impression that damage output was a huge factor.

What do we mean when we say "best" character?

Damage? Survivability? Synergy? Ease of use? Build potential? C'mon...work with me, here.

[IamZAE]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

The best defense is a good offence.

And yes, all Volus other then the engineer are bad, because Volus are support classes.

ok so the talon mercenary enginner is not only the best kit in the game, but also the tankiest too?

best defence is a good offense is a myth with certain exceptions

[Ferocious Panda]

lemon00 wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...


TGI has much better damage output, is better at reviving teammates, and literally cannot die when played correctly. Jugg can get overwhelmed, has pretty bad damage output unless you want to sacrifice all the health that makes him as OP as he is, and can't really kite enemies fast enough to do a device disable by himself in some situations.

But let's just agree that both are better than the GI.

wow...

well, this is just me, but that is the dumbest thing I have heard all day.

sure, the TGI has a better output on ARs, but speccd for damage, the GI wins on shotguns, and as for snipers?
(no headshot bonus, cloaked, all specced for damage)

Gi/Jav /Gi:  5951.33 (sniper amp 3, Sniper gear V, HVB)
TGi/Jav: 4444.18  (sniper amp 3, Sniper gear V, HVB)

Gi/BW: 3233.3
TGi/BW: 2655.93

And you lose even more if you use the Geth scanner instead of the Rail amp....

Ill take the Gi any day.

as for the juggy, well, hahahehehohohohohhohohohhoohohehhehehehahahahahahahaah

If someone points a gun at your head and tells you to solo U/U/P and get full extraction or else you die, would you honestly pick the GI over the TGI? I don't know why damage output is the only thing that matters to you guys. What about survivability? The TGI still has ridiculous damage output. I would sacrifice a little DPS for much much better survivability.

Plus, realistically, the TGI can have more damage output than the GI since he can stand out in the open and fire away at primes and things, and doesn't have to be as careful as the GI, who has to find somewhere to use right hand advantage and make sure he can't be shot from anywhere else.

Also, LMAO @ comparing sniper rifle damage. Who would put a sniper rifle on a TGI? That's just an unfair comparison since you know the GI gets sniper rifle damage where the TGI gets AR damage.

[Zyzimorph]

Speed is one factor, if said character doesn't have it its not the best

[IamZAE]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Mmkay. Hold on a second.

We need to define "best" here. I was under the impression that damage output was a huge factor.

What do we mean when we say "best" character?

Damage? Survivability? Synergy? Ease of use? Build potential? C'mon...work with me, here.

best meaning highest extraction % when compared from character to character, because in the end all that matters is mission success

[drmoose00]

IamZAE wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

very well said, and ferocious panda knows his stuff, hes better then 99% of you clowns on BSN. real talk

ill bet that most of the regulars on this forum would wipe the floor with panda's juggy or TGI, with a Gi or a drell vanguard for that matter.

for the record, i am defining the best charater as a combo of damage output and survivability, with a heavy lean towards output. Nonetheless,  It is hard to argue that the Gi is not innately the most survivable, when you consider the wall hack. You add the geth scanner in and that changes things of course.

At any rate, I see TGis go down all the time, and cannot remember the last time I saw one at the top of the scoreboard. They are usually last, bcause they spend most of thet ime running to ammo boxes for stim packs. Most of them i see run with a grenade capacilty gear too....

[Ledgend1221]

IamZAE wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

The best defense is a good offence.

And yes, all Volus other then the engineer are bad, because Volus are support classes.

ok so the talon mercenary enginner is not only the best kit in the game, but also the tankiest too?

best defence is a good offense is a myth with certain exceptions

Survivabilty does not equal Tankiness. GI is the best kit because it does amazing damage with great survivabilty.

And that's just wrong. It's proven in the bloody game. Dead things don't shoot.

[TMB903]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Mmkay. Hold on a second.

We need to define "best" here. I was under the impression that damage output was a huge factor.

What do we mean when we say "best" character?

Damage? Survivability? Synergy? Ease of use? Build potential? C'mon...work with me, here.

If I know BSN as well as I think..It's all about the deeeepeeeeessssss

[drmoose00]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

lemon00 wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...


TGI has much better damage output, is better at reviving teammates, and literally cannot die when played correctly. Jugg can get overwhelmed, has pretty bad damage output unless you want to sacrifice all the health that makes him as OP as he is, and can't really kite enemies fast enough to do a device disable by himself in some situations.

But let's just agree that both are better than the GI.

wow...

well, this is just me, but that is the dumbest thing I have heard all day.

sure, the TGI has a better output on ARs, but speccd for damage, the GI wins on shotguns, and as for snipers?
(no headshot bonus, cloaked, all specced for damage)

Gi/Jav /Gi:  5951.33 (sniper amp 3, Sniper gear V, HVB)
TGi/Jav: 4444.18  (sniper amp 3, Sniper gear V, HVB)

Gi/BW: 3233.3
TGi/BW: 2655.93

And you lose even more if you use the Geth scanner instead of the Rail amp....

Ill take the Gi any day.

as for the juggy, well, hahahehehohohohohhohohohhoohohehhehehehahahahahahahaah

If someone points a gun at your head and tells you to solo U/U/P and get full extraction or else you die, would you honestly pick the GI over the TGI? I don't know why damage output is the only thing that matters to you guys. What about survivability? The TGI still has ridiculous damage output. I would sacrifice a little DPS for much much better survivability.

Plus, realistically, the TGI can have more damage output than the GI since he can stand out in the open and fire away at primes and things, and doesn't have to be as careful as the GI, who has to find somewhere to use right hand advantage and make sure he can't be shot from anywhere else.

Also, LMAO @ comparing sniper rifle damage. Who would put a sniper rifle on a TGI? That's just an unfair comparison since you know the GI gets sniper rifle damage where the TGI gets AR damage.

my point is, that you have 1 weapon type that produces better damage output, and that is it. Everything else the GI wins. And wall hack > stim pack, for me anyway.

[IamZAE]

would u rather your platinum pug be a GI or a juggernaut? assuming they suck at the game, id rather have a juggernaut soaking up aggro while i kill everything scott free

[the_last_krogan]

geth infiltrator sucks
turian ghost harrier all day every day
if people think otherwise than play a platinum with the geth crapfiltrator and see how long he lasts tanking it

Modifié par the_last_krogan, 29 août 2013 - 12:42 .

[Creator Limbs]

Characters gotta be fast, characters got have deeps.

No substitutions.

[Kalas747]

If somebody beats the gold and platinum GI solo records with a TGI then I'll be convinced.

[satchel]

Kalas747 wrote...

If somebody beats the gold and platinum GI solo records with a TGI then I'll be convinced.

They will beat it standing in the middle of hydra getting shot at by 3 primes. GI can't do that.

[ISHYGDDT]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

It's funny that you assume it took 50+ tries to get a successful solo when in reality those would have been 50+ 20-25 minute platinum solos which were discarded due to poor objectives.  Extraction is a pretty low threshold in a team game and even a solo if we're willing to accept all match lengths as being equally valid. Don't get me wrong, survivability does matter in determining a 'best' character, but only to the extent that it affects uptime, and that is reflected in the final time at extraction. I'm willing to accept the Reegar Kroguard as being on a par with the GI, but I haven't seen empirical evidence of the TGI or AIU being anywhere near equal.

[NuclearTech76]

Juggernaut is not close to the best character in the game. Sorry that's just ridiculous. Now he has survivability and has decent DPS in the right hands but he doesn't have nearly the top side of the GI. TGI might have an argument because he has incredible survivability, versatility, and damage output.

[NuclearTech76]

the_last_krogan wrote...

geth infiltrator sucks
turian ghost harrier all day every day
if people think otherwise than play a platinum with the geth crapfiltrator and see how long he lasts tanking it

 
Congrats might be the stupidest thing I've read all day and I just came from the Pankook thread.

[Malanek]

I can't think of a better description for best kit than...

"Which kit can you solo with on unknown/unknown/platinum with the greatest chance of success."

If there were multiples that come out the same, then whichever of those is the fastest.

This isn't perfect because it is supposed to be a team game, but actually playing within a team is far, far too easy to establish which the "best" kit is.

[IamZAE]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Juggernaut is not close to the best character in the game. Sorry that's just ridiculous. Now he has survivability and has decent DPS in the right hands but he doesn't have nearly the top side of the GI. TGI might have an argument because he has incredible survivability, versatility, and damage output.

stats say juggernauts most played platinum kit.... not the GI. even though BSNers and spectre quality players destroy face with the GI just know theres countless more who play mass effect and have success with juggernaut to get through platinum

[Donkamen]

IamZAE wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Juggernaut is not close to the best character in the game. Sorry that's just ridiculous. Now he has survivability and has decent DPS in the right hands but he doesn't have nearly the top side of the GI. TGI might have an argument because he has incredible survivability, versatility, and damage output.

stats say juggernauts most played platinum kit.... not the GI. even though BSNers and spectre quality players destroy face with the GI just know theres countless more who play mass effect and have success with juggernaut to get through platinum

No, there's countless more who play the Puggernaut and desperately melee everything while their team mates carry their sorry butt to victory.

[Heldarion]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

It's funny that you assume it took 50+ tries to get a successful solo when in reality those would have been 50+ 20-25 minute platinum solos which were discarded due to poor objectives.  Extraction is a pretty low threshold in a team game and even a solo if we're willing to accept all match lengths as being equally valid. Don't get me wrong, survivability does matter in determining a 'best' character, but only to the extent that it affects uptime, and that is reflected in the final time at extraction. I'm willing to accept the Reegar Kroguard as being on a par with the GI, but I haven't seen empirical evidence of the TGI or AIU being anywhere near equal.

You're giving me too much credit, Ishy. Many of those attempts ended horribly for several reasons, but make no mistake - when you're gunning for the time, you're running into the enemies, not running away from them, as you would when your objective is to survive.

I heard that chances of dying are much higher f you're running headfirst into the enemies.

[Ferocious Panda]

lemon00 wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

this thread is stupid, because the GI is not the best character.. the OP has a false statement from the start

agreed. TGI is the best character in the game. I don't really think anyone can argue otherwise.

 Show me all those Solo speedruns done with the TGI, then.

Because speed is everything right? By this logic, all the volus other than the engineer are horrible characters despite having a move that gives shields and damage reduction to anyone in a 7 meter radius, just because of poor damage output.

I'd say when talking about which character is best, survivability plays a huge factor. I think chances of extraction should be what makes a character good, not how fast you can solo in 50+ tries.

So I would also put on-host Krogaurd and AIU over the GI.

very well said, and ferocious panda knows his stuff, hes better then 99% of you clowns on BSN. real talk

ill bet that most of the regulars on this forum would wipe the floor with panda's juggy or TGI, with a Gi or a drell vanguard for that matter.

for the record, i am defining the best charater as a combo of damage output and survivability, with a heavy lean towards output. Nonetheless,  It is hard to argue that the Gi is not innately the most survivable, when you consider the wall hack. You add the geth scanner in and that changes things of course.

At any rate, I see TGis go down all the time, and cannot remember the last time I saw one at the top of the scoreboard. They are usually last, bcause they spend most of thet ime running to ammo boxes for stim packs. Most of them i see run with a grenade capacilty gear too....

considering that nobody has ever outscored my TGI+Harrier, I don't think that anyone could "wipe the floor" with me using any other class, even the GI.

I think you're letting your experience with bad randoms cloud your judgment. I can fall asleep while playing the TGI, he's just that good. He can cloak, stagger everything with overload, kill everything in sight, and has an instant heal button. The only way I can die with him is getting constant stagger locked.

how about you actually play with me instead of trying to talk me down when you don't even know me?

[drmoose00]

Donkamen wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Juggernaut is not close to the best character in the game. Sorry that's just ridiculous. Now he has survivability and has decent DPS in the right hands but he doesn't have nearly the top side of the GI. TGI might have an argument because he has incredible survivability, versatility, and damage output.

stats say juggernauts most played platinum kit.... not the GI. even though BSNers and spectre quality players destroy face with the GI just know theres countless more who play mass effect and have success with juggernaut to get through platinum

No, there's countless more who play the Puggernaut and desperately melee everything while their team mates carry their sorry butt to victory.

very true. next time you see a juggy bleed out on purpose and see how that wave goes.

[RedJohn]

Still, even I on my most shiny days could do much more things with GI/Batarian Soldier than with TGI.