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[Subject One]

Yes, you can go for one dude. It seems that Tali hides some unexpected things behind the mask...

[SurfaceBeneath]

This is a bad thread and those posting in it should feel bad.



Wait... Oh shi-!

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

You know, this thread could have ended after 3 posts. The answer is: ''No, Casey Hudson confirmed no MM or FF''. Of course, the moderators are never around, resulting in this 15-page disgrace of the human species.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

You know, this thread could have ended after 3 posts. The answer is: ''No, Casey Hudson confirmed no MM or FF''. Of course, the moderators are never around, resulting in this 15-page disgrace of the human species.

Really? When did he say that?

I hope you're not referring to the Best Buy chat where he didn't specify M/M romance at all and made an extremely vague statement about F/F romances.

[Schneidend]

Trust a DWARF to pretend to know anything about the human speci- but seriously, this thread is pretty terrible. I feel bad for contributing to the overabundance of pages.

[Deviija]

Casey never said that there is no M/M.

[Wittand25]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

You know, this thread could have ended after 3 posts. The answer is: ''No, Casey Hudson confirmed no MM or FF''. Of course, the moderators are never around, resulting in this 15-page disgrace of the human species.

Exept that he did not, there was nothing on m/m and the f/f remark was wrong ( he said Tali instead of Liara) and left a enormous loophole (alians dont share human definition of genders) for both.
An official statement regarding this topic has not been made and most likly wont be made til release.

But I have to agree an the second sentence.

[Darth_Trethon]

Casey did state the amount of romances per gender(3) and at this point all male romances are known....well OK technically speaking some might argue that Tali isn't "confirmed" but the truth is out and she is. That makes any nonsense romance impossible.......end of thread.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:38 .

[DarthCaine]

The Polish voice actor for male Shepard said he recorded lines for a gay romance

[SurfaceBeneath]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Casey did state the amount of romances per gender(3) and at this point all male romances are known....well OK technically speaking some might argue that Tali isn't "confirmed" but the truth is out and she is. That makes any nonsense romance impossible.......end of thread.

Casey said he "believed" there were 3 romances per gender. That's a far cry from hard confirmation and it's easily apparent that he's not directly involved in that portion of game production.

The Polish voice actor for male Shepard said he recorded lines for a gay romance

Also this. The comments of the Polish voice actor are still the hardest evidence we have at this point.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:40 .

[Darth_Trethon]

DarthCaine wrote...

The Polish voice actor for male Shepard said he recorded lines for a gay romance

Except there isn't any.....they probably recorded more than they ended up using during the time they had the actors there. Not all the nonsense makes it in. Plus when he recorded he didn't have anyone in front of him...no other actor or anything.....he probably recorded some romance and thought that it was gay for no real reason.....missunderstandings happen.

[Never]

DQE001 wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...Homosexual relationships are essentially a sexual fetish.  Just because it's a socially accepted sexual fetish (mostly) does not mean that he is inherently wrong for not wanting that fetish practiced.  Do you think paedophiles should be allowed to engage in their own sexual preferences?  Probably not.  Is it so hard to believe that someone could view homosexuality in the same light?  That's how it was viewed for many years before widespread social change since the 60s.

It's not a sexual fetish, well, no more so than heterosexuality is a sexual fetish. You are getting your Psychology 101 concepts mixed up.

As an aside, women were also viewed as hysterical, irrational and less-than-competent for anything but raising children. Social change in the 1960s and 1970s, fueled by increasing amounts of research which undercut such perceptions, changed things for the better. Same thing happened with homosexuality.

And sure, anyone can make a statement that they think gay people should go back into the closet and have their rights taken from them, or that women should stay at home and just make babies (and definitely should never play video games.) Pointing out that both such statements are ridiculous and idiotic is a pretty reasonable and measured response.

Can we stay at home and make babies AND play video games?

[Wittand25]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Casey did state the amount of romances per gender(3) and at this point all male romances are known....well OK technically speaking some might argue that Tali isn't "confirmed" but the truth is out and she is. That makes any nonsense romance impossible.......end of thread.

And mentioned "if I remeber correctly" in the same sentence. And Tali is far from confirmed, prior to DA release half of the forum was expecting an affair with Ser Caulthrien (spelling ?) and she got 3 sentences to say in the final game.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

You know, this thread could have ended after 3 posts. The answer is: ''No, Casey Hudson confirmed no MM or FF''. Of course, the moderators are never around, resulting in this 15-page disgrace of the human species.

Really? When did he say that?

I hope you're not referring to the Best Buy chat where he didn't specify M/M romance at all and made an extremely vague statement about F/F romances.

If you want to keep living in a dream world, be my guest. The fact that he said there is no FF in Mass Effect, because he doesn't believe asari are female, rules out Miranda and SuZe as FF love interests, like it or not.

Logically, we can extrapolate that there will also be no MM, because that is a touchy subject to begin with. Devs have said there is almost no market for that. So if they are dancing around the FF issue by using the Asari excuse, do you really think they will risk MM?

No. Sorry, it's not going to happen.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Also this. The comments of the Polish voice actor are still the hardest evidence we have at this point.

Do you know whose name was first on the Mass Effect 1 credit list?

CASEY HUDSON.

I'm more inclined to believe him, even if he confused Tali with Liara. Even drunk out of his mind, he is still a more reliable source than some Polish VA.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
If you want to keep living in a dream world, be my guest. The fact that he said there is no FF in Mass Effect, because he doesn't believe asari are female, rules out Miranda and SuZe as FF love interests, like it or not.

Logically, we can extrapolate that there will also be no MM, because that is a touchy subject to begin with. Devs have said there is almost no market for that. So if they are dancing around the FF issue by using the Asari excuse, do you really think they will risk MM?

No. Sorry, it's not going to happen.

You're right. Your uninformed opinion is obviously so much more correct than my uninformed opinion. Until either of us play the game, neither of our opinions amounts to a hill of beans

Also, Jade Empire and Dragon Age prove you wrong about it being a touchy subject for them. If they want to do M/M romance, they'll do it.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:48 .

[DarthCaine]

BTW, we don't know anything about the Drell
They could be asexual like the Asari

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Also, Jade Empire and Dragon Age prove you wrong about it being a touchy subject for them. If they want to do M/M romance, they'll do it.

You do realize Bioware has several different teams working on different games, right? Whatever happens with Dragon Age is no guarantee the same will happen with Mass Effect.

And I am not uninformed, I am making logical assumptions based on what Casey said. You are the one making wild speculations.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
Do you know whose name was first on the Mass Effect 1 credit list?

CASEY HUDSON.

I'm more inclined to believe him, even if he confused Tali with Liara. Even drunk out of his mind, he is still a more reliable source than some Polish VA.

Casey is not involved directly with the writing (and by extension romances) in the game. He said it himself that "if he recalls correctly" referring to how many romances are in the game, meaning he doesn't actually know for sure, or isn't sure enough on the subject to give a hard response.

The Polish VO got the script and voiced the lines. If he said that he recorded lines for an M/M romance, than that's a very credible source. Note: That doesn't mean that M/M romance is confirmed, but it does mean that it was at least in the planning stages at some time and they recorded the lines just to be sure. Whether it gets included or not is another debate, but after recording the lines, I'm not sure why they wouldn't.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

You do realize Bioware has several different teams working on different games, right? Whatever happens with Dragon Age is no guarantee the same will happen with Mass Effect.

And I am not uninformed, I am making logical assumptions based on what Casey said. You are the one making wild speculations.

Bioware operates under a few teams at this point, however issues of what the company is "comfortable" doing would not change depending on team. Bioware as a brand has already created 4 games with homosexual romances and 2 games with M/M romances. They are obviously fine with the subject.

And yes, you are uninformed. Until either of us plays the game or recieves a hard statement on the subject from a developer (not anything wishy-washy), then neither you nor I know for sure what's going to be in the game.

[Gnomejello]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

You know, this thread could have ended after 3 posts. The answer is: ''No, Casey Hudson confirmed no MM or FF''. Of course, the moderators are never around, resulting in this 15-page disgrace of the human species.

I am going to go ahead and repost what I posted on page 2, which nobody responded to because it was buried beneath 13 pages of monkeys throwing filthy leavings at each other.



I personally suspect that Thane Krios will be this game's Zevran.



A lot of people are saying there won't be any gay romances in this one, but I have never seen any evidence of this.

They have said there won't be any lesbian romances in ME2 in the same breath that they said there were no lesbian romances in ME1, though many people consider femshep/liara to be a lesbian pairing.



Nothing has been said to my knowledge about maleshep/male pairing. It is possible, and given the Zevran option in Dragon Age, and many other Bioware games, it is clear that Bioware is willing to provide a gay male option.



It really is no consolation to gamers looking for a "true" lesbian romance in ME2, but at least we know Liara will be back as an NPC, so any relationships from the previous game are going to carry over.



However, given that they have said that femshep/asari pairings are not lesbian, those that disagree may still pin some hopes on a femshep/Samara pairing as ME2's "lesbian" option.



So I think it is very premature to say that ME2 is not going to have any gay options. If anyone has any evidence to
the contrary, let me know.

Modifié par Gnomejello, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:57 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Wittand25 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Casey did state the amount of romances per gender(3) and at this point all male romances are known....well OK technically speaking some might argue that Tali isn't "confirmed" but the truth is out and she is. That makes any nonsense romance impossible.......end of thread.

And mentioned "if I remeber correctly" in the same sentence. And Tali is far from confirmed, prior to DA release half of the forum was expecting an affair with Ser Caulthrien (spelling ?) and she got 3 sentences to say in the final game.

Tali is far from minor......Casey CONFIRMED that some non-romanceable characters from ME1 WILL be romances in ME2(note plural) about 20 seconds after stressing the point that Tali is more mature and grown up now. In the BestBuy interview he also said there will be a great story that relates to wheher she'll take things further with Shepard. Beyond that she is a confirmed party member and a fan favorite. So no the Tali circumstance is millions of light years away from the Ser Cautherin assumptions and at theis point there is no denying it really....Tali IS a romance option in ME2....as will likely be Garrus(remember that plural) who was a huge favorite of the female gamers.

[DarthCaine]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Tali is far from minor......Casey CONFIRMED that some non-romanceable characters from ME1 WILL be romances in ME2(note plural)

Exactly, CHARACTERS, not squad mates. IMO it's still more likely that Joker is romancable rather than Tali or Garrus

ME1 characters include: Anderson, Udina, Conrad, Nassana, Joker, Tali, Garrus, Pressly, Chakwas, Wrex etc.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:06 .

[Wittand25]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Casey did state the amount of romances per gender(3) and at this point all male romances are known....well OK technically speaking some might argue that Tali isn't "confirmed" but the truth is out and she is. That makes any nonsense romance impossible.......end of thread.

And mentioned "if I remeber correctly" in the same sentence. And Tali is far from confirmed, prior to DA release half of the forum was expecting an affair with Ser Caulthrien (spelling ?) and she got 3 sentences to say in the final game.

Tali is far from minor......Casey CONFIRMED that some non-romanceable characters from ME1 WILL be romances in ME2(note plural) about 20 seconds after stressing the point that Tali is more mature and grown up now. In the BestBuy interview he also said there will be a great story that relates to wheher she'll take things further with Shepard. Beyond that she is a confirmed party member and a fan favorite. So no the Tali circumstance is millions of light years away from the Ser Cautherin assumptions and at theis point there is no denying it really....Tali IS a romance option in ME2....as will likely be Garrus(remember that plural) who was a huge favorite of the female gamers.

Casey confirmed characters not squadmates so it could mean anyone from Conrad to the consort.

By the way even if Tali was a romance that does not exlude a m/m romance, DA had four romance-options but  six different romances.

Modifié par Wittand25, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:09 .

[Darth_Trethon]

DarthCaine wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Tali is far from minor......Casey CONFIRMED that some non-romanceable characters from ME1 WILL be romances in ME2(note plural)

Exactly, CHARACTERS, not squad mates. IMO it's still more likely that Joker is romancable rather than Tali or Garrus

Joker has a romance with EDI....who is an AI. And joker only had a couple of lines and not even a tiny fraction of Tali's or Garrus's support.....plus he has brittle bone problem which makes him unsuitable for a physical partner.

Either way the reasonable candidates are extremely few and Tali is at the top of the list....Casey had EXTREMELY strong hints at her. Deny it all you like but the Official Strategy Guide starts shipping tomorrow....a week before the game as usual so the facts will be out in a matter of hours now. Believing Tali isn't a romance option at this point is about foolish if not right out denial.