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[Gnomejello]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Also, Jade Empire and Dragon Age prove you wrong about it being a touchy subject for them. If they want to do M/M romance, they'll do it.

You do realize Bioware has several different teams working on different games, right? Whatever happens with Dragon Age is no guarantee the same will happen with Mass Effect.

And I am not uninformed, I am making logical assumptions based on what Casey said. You are the one making wild speculations.

Saying that there will be no M/M or F/F pairings in ME2 based on what Casey said is just as wild a speculation as saying that there definitely will be. 

Casey's statement was only about F/F pairings, and left open the possibility of a F/Asari pairing.  Like say, Femshep/Samara.

And no, the fact that Bioware made Dragon Age is no guarantee of gay pairings, but it certainly is an indicator of past behavior.  Even if the writers are different the company is still the same, and that does make a difference.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Why do people keep saying that there isn't m/m as if its fact? I thought there was nothing conclusive on the subject yet. That Casey Hudson quote can be interpreted many ways and that old one (don't remember who the quote is from) about gay romance not being in due to time and resources was in reference to the first game.



The most solid thing we do have, as far as I know, is the polish voice actor saying he voiced m/m lines, although thats not something that will breach my pessimism at this point.

[Darth_Trethon]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Why do people keep saying that there isn't m/m as if its fact? I thought there was nothing conclusive on the subject yet. That Casey Hudson quote can be interpreted many ways and that old one (don't remember who the quote is from) about gay romance not being in due to time and resources was in reference to the first game.

The most solid thing we do have, as far as I know, is the polish voice actor saying he voiced m/m lines, although thats not something that will breach my pessimism at this point.

They're adding 6 heterosexual romances in ME2....this is just about confirmed.....plus the three from ME1. How many romances do you think they'll have? At the moment each character will be able to have one of possible 5 romances going into ME3 and they have to record separate dialogue and probably even cutscenes for each of these in ME3 so each character will only see 1/5 of all BioWare will have to make for ME3.....and I haven't even touched on all the other choices that actually have an imp[ortant impact on the main story itself. Adding more nonsense romances to bring that number above 5 possible romances per character would be even more wasted resources. What percentage of people are gay? Not a great deal.

At this point expecting a same gender romance in ME2 is about senseless.....but as I said the OSG will start shipping tomorrow so in a day or two all the romance facts will be out for all to see and be unable to deny anymore.

[pharos_gryphon]

It's also worth noting that several people tried asking if there was an M/M option during the Best Buy discussion, but their questions were removed by mods. At least five different individuals did so in the first half hour or so, according to the lengthy thread on the old forums discussing the matter. As to what -was- said, 'there are no f/f romances, just like there wasn't in ME1'. Nothing at all was said about m/m romances, so I fail to understand why certain individuals are getting so visibly upset by folks pondering whether there is, and if so who. We don't know for sure, we won't know for sure until the game is in our hands since Bioware is being intentionally tight lipped about the matter.



Now that the thread is back on the original topic... As was mentioned before, if anyone I'm betting it's Thane. He just strikes me as a more likely candidate than Garrus or Jacob. What do others think?

[SurfaceBeneath]

Darth_Trethon , you're making more assumptions than anyone here and going back and saying "It doesn't matter the strategy guide comes out tomorrow so we'll know for sure then"

Either speculate with the rest of us or don't. Doing both just makes you seem inconsistent.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 19 janvier 2010 - 12:09 .

[Darth_Trethon]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Darth_Trethon , you're making more assumptions than anyone here and going back and saying "It doesn't matter the strategy guide comes out tomorrow so we'll know for sure then"

Either speculate with the rest of us or don't. Doing both just makes you seem inconsistent.

What has been said makes the three maleshep romances undeniable.....adding more possible romances to that(5 possible maleshep romances total) just doesn't seem likely and nowhere has even been hinted at except the claimed Polish voice actor that could have easily missinterpreted given that translations are often rough and he had no actor in front of him to know who he was talking to most of the time. Then they can have him record dialogue in watever order and are by no means required to record one dialogue at a time.....all the converations' sentences could have been scrambled.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 19 janvier 2010 - 12:17 .

[Arik7]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Darth_Trethon , you're making more assumptions than anyone here and going back and saying "It doesn't matter the strategy guide comes out tomorrow so we'll know for sure then"

Either speculate with the rest of us or don't. Doing both just makes you seem inconsistent.

What has been said makes the three maleshep romances undeniable.....adding more possible romances to that(5 possible maleshep romances total) just doesn't seem likely and nowhere has even been hinted at except the claimed Polish voice actor that could have easily missinterpreted given that translations are often rough and he had no actor in front of him to know who he was talking to most of the time. Then they can have him record dialogue in watever order and are by no means required to record one dialogue at a time.....all the converations' sentences could have been scrambled.

Sounds like nonsense.   How can the voice actor act is he doesn't know the context of his words?
I suspect the Polish VA did record a voice over for a same-sex romance, but so did Mark Meer in ME1.   (see: )  Unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of gay romance.

Modifié par Arik7, 19 janvier 2010 - 12:27 .

[hawat333]

Technically, she (if it's she, that's it) can't go lesbian in the first game. However, for the same viewpoint, I skipped that option.

But anyways, why do you feel so necessary to include a homosexual romance in the game? It obviously affects a rather sound minority of the players. (well, as for the lesbian romances, maybe some 15years old gets tongue wagging, but the drool will dry as they age a bit)

I'd rather they focus on straight romances and other character relationships.



Hey, but if they have time for including it, I have no problem with that. I just try to see reasons and explanations there.



As for Kaiden, I don't know who you are talking about. I only knew a guy called Kaidan, who heroically defended a nuclear device on Virmire.

[Darth_Trethon]

As I said they have no actor in front of him and translations are often rough so it's not really wise to assume he knew who he was talking to.



Saying "Who the hell are you" in my primary language leads to the direct translation "Who hell is you" which makes little to no sense so meaning can be distorted and misinterpreted. Given they had thousands of lines of dialogue and switching through many conversations in a day could also lead to memory failure.....etc etc etc.



Plus implementing a romance for a small percentage sounds like a waste of time....they might as well have made a cat/dog romance......





....for cats and dogs that play ME what were you thinking?

[Chairchucker]

DarthCaine wrote...

The Polish voice actor for male Shepard said he recorded lines for a gay romance

Maybe so, but it appears to have been demonstrated earlier in the thread that lines were also recorded for a gay romance for the first game.

[mewarmo990]

I don't think anyone would have a problem if they just made it like Dragon Age. The option would be there at some point, in an optional character, and you could easily turn it down if you didn't want it.

Separate teams working on the games doesn't mean that company policy can't be uniform.

Fro_McJoe wrote...

no, or fox news will be all over biowares case again

You're probably right Fox News possibly knee-jerking again, except that it turned out there was no "case" to speak of when they claimed that ME1 was some porn simulator.

Modifié par mewarmo990, 19 janvier 2010 - 01:08 .

[mewarmo990]

mewarmo990 wrote...

I don't think anyone would have a problem if they just made it like Dragon Age. The option would be there at some point, in an optional character, and you could easily turn it down if you didn't want it.

Separate teams working on the games doesn't mean that company policy can't be uniform.

Fro_McJoe wrote...

no, or fox news will be all over biowares case again

You're probably right about Fox News possibly knee-jerking again, except that it turned out there was no "case" to speak of when they claimed that ME1 was some porn simulator.

[Midey77]

Chairchucker wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

The Polish voice actor for male Shepard said he recorded lines for a gay romance

Maybe so, but it appears to have been demonstrated earlier in the thread that lines were also recorded for a gay romance for the first game.

The actor of Shepard in Poland in ME2 is other than in ME1. Actor that plays Shepard in Mass Effect 2 confirms that.

[Midey77]

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Modifié par Midey77, 19 janvier 2010 - 01:17 .

[Chairchucker]

Midey77 wrote...


The actor of Shepard in Poland in ME2 is other than in ME1. Actor that plays Shepard in Mass Effect 2 confirms that.

Perhaps you misunderstood my point.

Earlier in the thread, someone posted a video in which they romanced Kaiden with a male. They used a mod, but it made use of resources that had previously been recorded. My point, therefore, is that the existence of recorded lines do not necessarily equal the existence of a gay romance.

But they do certainly imply it.

[T1l]

Arik7 wrote...

Sounds like nonsense.   How can the voice actor act is he doesn't know the context of his words?
I suspect the Polish VA did record a voice over for a same-sex romance, but so did Mark Meer in ME1.   (see: )  Unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of gay romance.

I can see why that was removed. That's disturbing.



A minute and a half of innuendo and a 15 second cut-scene that made me throw-up a little. Dragon Age gay sex scenes were uncomfortable for me to watch, but that, that's on a whole new level.

Modifié par T1l, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:28 .

[Revan312]

Wow, I never knew that both Meer and Hale recorded lines for those romances, weird.



I will say it was hilarious, that's for sure. Perhaps there will be some hidden VO work in ME2 as well then *shrugs*

[SnowHeart1]

Gosh, the ME1 mod clip does sort of knock the legs out from under the Polish VA recording theory. Doesn't destroy it, but does pretty much end the argument that it's conclusive evidence there will be an M/M option. The lines were recorded for ME1, and never used. Anyway, I feel like with DAO the leak about Zevran had happened by now... it hasn't happened with ME2. Maybe that's because they're not giving out full copies of ME2 to review? (The original leak with DAO happened from a Russian reviewer who posted screenies of the Zevran romance; there was speculation beforehand that Zevran would be a M/M option but nothing had been confirmed.) Anyway... we'll see. My male-Sheps have always been gay; just celibate.

[Medhia Nox]

What bothers me is not that I have to have a celibate Shepard (you're not the only one SnowHeart1). What bothers me is the claim that he's straight because this is "Bioware's character". I've heard this claim - and if it is true - it's the only reason why I would cry foul.



At least admit to me honestly that you simply weren't interested in putting the material in. I'd respect that more than some half-assed lie that "Shepard is straight because our story dictates it."



Then, why doesn't the story dictate ANYTHING else? Why isn't Shepard a racist "because the story dictates it"? Or, a male "because the story dictates it". Or friends with Udina "because the story dictates it" Etc. etc.



It's dishonesty - and corporate sophistry that dishearten me the most. Not the exclusion of gay options for Shepard. Just tell me: "We did not feel it was worthwhile putting in M/M relationships. So, instead we decided to put in a fish tank, model ship collecting, and fully realised Normandy kitchens and bathrooms."



I would have actually accepted that type of honesty. What I did with my money afterwards *shrugs* who knows. I love Mass Effect - purchased the first one twice, and both books. I'll get 2 and 3 and any novels so long as they remain enjoyable.



But I'm forced to think of Dragon Age as superior for including options for me.

[Gnomejello]

hawat333 wrote...
But anyways, why do you feel so necessary to include a homosexual romance in the game? It obviously affects a rather sound minority of the players. (well, as for the lesbian romances, maybe some 15years old gets tongue wagging, but the drool will dry as they age a bit)
I'd rather they focus on straight romances and other character relationships.

Hey, but if they have time for including it, I have no problem with that. I just try to see reasons and explanations there.

As for Kaiden, I don't know who you are talking about. I only knew a guy called Kaidan, who heroically defended a nuclear device on Virmire.

Having a romance that you know a minority of people are going to choose isn't a bad thing.  And anyway, the Kinsey study placed the gay population at about 10%.  That's "small", but also a significant population of gamers.  Even having -one- romance for us really matters and shows BW customers that they care, and makes a big difference to us, and all it costs them is another cutscene that can probably be copy/pasted from another one, and a few more lines of dialogue.

Heterosexual romances don't need to be focused on.  You've got them in spades.  There are no games that have an exclusively gay storyline, but there are plenty that have all straight-characters.  I have accepted this.  That's fine.  I'm not an idiot, I know I am a minority.  What I can't understand is why you would begrudge a gay male option.  The more people buy it, the more popular it gets, the more they will spend on the sequel, right?  How is hanging a "straights only" sign on the door helping anyone?

[Erode_The_Soul]

Arik7 wrote...

Sounds like nonsense.   How can the voice actor act is he doesn't know the context of his words?
I suspect the Polish VA did record a voice over for a same-sex romance, but so did Mark Meer in ME1.   (see: )  Unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of gay romance.

"Kaiden, I don't believe I've had the pleasure of you serving under me. Don't you think it's time to rectify that?"

That line right there was absolutely fantastic.

[Pannamaslo]

Gnomejello wrote...

 And anyway, the Kinsey study placed the gay population at about 10%.  That's "small", but also a significant population of gamers.  

I just want to say, that Kinsey 's methodology sucked and his data are invalid. Nowadays homosexula population is estimated on no more than 5 %  ( 4% male and 1% female). If oyu add bisexuals, then maybe 10%, but don't quote Kinsey - he did it wrong

Plus you don't know if gay % in gamers population is the same as in general population. 

All in all I wouldn't mind same-sex options, but it doesn't look good. But, who knows. Maybe this time

[Myzzrimm]

Anyone that outright hates the idea of a m/m romance in this game is a bigot. If just having the OPTION there ruins the gaming experience for you, then you need to re-think your values.



I think Zevran was handled a bit... oddly. As he did come onto you. But think of it as if you came onto a character? (This includes f/f romances as well). That you convinced them, grew a bond, etc. That sort of thing. Instead of hearing all about their backstory, have some backstory and the rest talking about some insecurities, and then having the romance go from there. Hard to put into words.



Honestly, I was bored and read the whole thread, and am thusly astounded. I mean, I'm a straight player with a wonderful girlfriend, but if having a m/m romance in there makes people happy, then I'm all for it.

[pharos_gryphon]

Gnomejello wrote...
Having a romance that you know a minority of people are going to choose isn't a bad thing.  And anyway, the Kinsey study placed the gay population at about 10%.  That's "small", but also a significant population of gamers.  Even having -one- romance for us really matters and shows BW customers that they care, and makes a big difference to us, and all it costs them is another cutscene that can probably be copy/pasted from another one, and a few more lines of dialogue.

Heterosexual romances don't need to be focused on.  You've got them in spades.  There are no games that have an exclusively gay storyline, but there are plenty that have all straight-characters.  I have accepted this.  That's fine.  I'm not an idiot, I know I am a minority.  What I can't understand is why you would begrudge a gay male option.  The more people buy it, the more popular it gets, the more they will spend on the sequel, right?  How is hanging a "straights only" sign on the door helping anyone?

QFT.  As I said previously, my money is still on Thane, or the ship 'flings' being non gender specific.

[Chairchucker]

Medhia Nox wrote...

What bothers me is not that I have to have a celibate Shepard (you're not the only one SnowHeart1). What bothers me is the claim that he's straight because this is "Bioware's character". I've heard this claim - and if it is true - it's the only reason why I would cry foul.
 

Gotta be honest, I kind of scanned this thread and skipped most of the middle because seriously... 16 pages... but anyway, it seems more likely that rather tham Shepard not being gay, it's more about the fact that none of the squad members around him are.