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[DeathCultArm]

It goes against nature. It's not natural. It's just a weak choice people make

[ReDSH1FT]

gamergamergamer wrote...

a- mass effect isnt a ****ing dating simulator, if yuou dont like the lame romances dont do them, b- it isnt biowares job to include every sick fetish or orentation just so you can ****** to 2 videogame characters having sex. c- the vast majority of the population does not want 2 men having sex in their game

Lots of truth and fact here.  This quote needs to be drilled into these people's head.  

[FollowTheGourd]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

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From an "objective" point of view, you could argue that nothing is wrong, but to what end? Education has little to do with it.

[TheAnima]

Detsu wrote...

TheAnima wrote...

Someone please define how you can 'seem straight' or 'seem gay' without resorting to masculine or feminine stereotypes.

Those stereotypes are an inevitable and dare I say, crucial part of human culture. They exist for a reason.

In response to your question, it'd mainly be their backround. Like that voicemail thing Ashley gets? And her story about her little sister dating a dude? It all build her up as this character that comes from your usual heterosexual American (OH I MEAN HUMAN WHOOPS) backround, and she's a part of it. Also religion.

So basically, based entirely on a preconstructed set of traits that have nothing to do with sexuality and is ultimately invalid. Nice to know.

Yes Ashley, and the Alliance, do come off as very American, however, her sister dating a male has nothing to do with her own sexuality. Further, neither does her religion, as most of the progressive parts of Christianity (I assume this is what you're alluding to) have already accepted homosexuality, and Mass Effect is set in the future.

[Detsu]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
LOL, I'm telling you to lurk moar because what you are posting is dribble. But I used the meme wrong says the kid named "Detsu."

I WONDER how you got that one

Hmmmm.....

My usual handle is Exhausted. When Exhausted is taken, I spell it backwards. Detsuahxe. Sometimes I shorten it to be cute. Detsu.

Assumptions, asses, you, me.

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...
But if every character was open to either relationship wouldn't that ****** off people who claim that sexuality isn't a choice?

Not
to imply that it IS a choice, but I think it wildly depends on your
personal sexuality.  I think most people are generally open to
relationships of either type until they are painted by societal
expectations and beliefs.  Certainly though, the idea that a straight
woman such as Ash would engage in a homosexual relationship (especially
considering that she is a grown adult with a strong religious
upbringing, not necessarily the epitome of open-mindedness)  because of
a sweet-talking Shepard could be equally insulting to people as a
stereotypical homosexual character would be. (Eg the only m/m option is
a flamboyant male who wears makeup and follows intergalactic fashion)

You have a valid point and honestly I don't know the solution. I have some vague thoughts on the sexuality of characters being complex anyways because Shepard isn't gender-fixed, and naturally the world around him/her is going to change based on gender.

Although I WOULD say that Ash would be less enticed by Shepard's words and more by the usual mix oh pheramones, to begin with. Love at first sight, sort of. It's the sweet talking that could turn this infatuation into a real relationship or crush it underfoot.

[Medhia Nox]

Well, thank you "gamergamergamer", that was insightful.

[DeathCultArm]

I don't get it..what does it take..? I mena what point must be proven. No on cares what you do IRL, in this game you can't be ***, and no matter how much you complain it won't change.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Why is it when anyone makes apoint against homosexuals, it's always has to be ignorance. All you guys do it throw out other people's opinion's with vague analogies and such.

This is largely because anti-homosexual beliefs are fueled by ignorance.  Ignorance is the act of IGNORING information, or otherwise being uninformed.

Present a logical reason as to why homosexuality is objectionable.  Is it because you perceive the act to be "unnatural"?  Regardless I expect consistency in your beliefs.  Don't say that homosexuality is against nature and then support something along the lines of vegetarianism.  Humans are omnivores and saying anything to the contrary would in fact be arguing against nature. (Thus defeating your original argument)

Just an example however.

[T1l]

gamergamergamer wrote...

a- mass effect isnt a ****ing dating simulator, if yuou dont like the lame romances dont do them, b- it isnt biowares job to include every sick fetish or orentation just so you can ****** to 2 videogame characters having sex. c- the vast majority of the population does not want 2 men having sex in their game

[TheAnima]

DeathCultArm wrote...

It goes against nature. It's not natural. It's just a weak choice people make

Premise: It goes against nature. It's not natural.
Flaw: Nature is either A) an abstract concept that is limited to certain societies or What normally occurs, since homosexuality occurs regularly in animals and humans it's certainly part of nature and natural

Premise: It's just a week choice people make.
Flaw: All indicated research indicates homosexuality is either genetic or part of subconscious upbringing, neither of these constitutes a choice.

[WriteByTheSea]

TheAnima wrote...

Let me get this out of the way.

"No you don't."

Because being perfectly honest, anyone mature enough to attain such qualifications is mature enough to know that posting them on an internet message board does nothing but make them sound like a pretentious teenager who just stumbled upon a psychology book.

LOL. 

Fine, then I'm a pretentious teenager whose quoting from an Abnormal Psychology book. Doesn't change the fact that I'm right. And pretentious. But not a teenager. Though I teach those, too. But of course, if I'm posting on a discussion board, I'm lying. So even this sentence is lie.

As is this one.

This one, too.

And this one. And....

[.Rhys]

gamergamergamer wrote...

a- mass effect isnt a ****ing dating simulator, if yuou dont like the lame romances dont do them, b- it isnt biowares job to include every sick fetish or orentation just so you can ****** to 2 videogame characters having sex. c- the vast majority of the population does not want 2 men having sex in their game

So I have a sick fetish then? You're so enlightening...

The lack of education on homosexuality is apparent on this forum.

Modifié par .Rhys, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:11 .

[Detsu]

TheAnima wrote...

So basically, based entirely on a preconstructed set of traits that have nothing to do with sexuality and is ultimately invalid. Nice to know.

Yes Ashley, and the Alliance, do come off as very American, however, her sister dating a male has nothing to do with her own sexuality. Further, neither does her religion, as most of the progressive parts of Christianity (I assume this is what you're alluding to) have already accepted homosexuality, and Mass Effect is set in the future.

I try and provide a legitimate answer and I get snark in return. Suppose I earned it though, eh?

Hate to say this but preconstructed traits DO often have to do with sexuality. I don't even know what you meant by "preconstructed" and I still feel confident saying this.

[shinobi602]

Detsu wrote...
You set yourself up, you knock yourself down. I stand around and make the sound effects.

All you did was call names and write strange incomprehensible words. You're right, how do you do it? Teach me your secret.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

FollowTheGourd wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

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From an "objective" point of view, you could argue that nothing is wrong, but to what end? Education has little to do with it.

hence the existence of morals.

My perspective is that morals can change quite quickly such as has been witnessed in the last few decades of social change, and thus I feel that people need to atleast understand that there is no definitive right or wrong and that morals are just personal beliefs: they do not extend to the world around you.

Nothing irritates me more than people justifying an argument with "This is right but that is wrong".

[DeathCultArm]

You alienate potential buyers when including *** romances, espescially m/m. Look how Fox news ripped them for STRAIGHT romances. It's not going to happen. Wheter it's right or wrong it's not in the game. Why posting about it...?

[gamergamergamer]

.Rhys wrote...

gamergamergamer wrote...

a- mass effect isnt a ****ing dating simulator, if yuou dont like the lame romances dont do them, b- it isnt biowares job to include every sick fetish or orentation just so you can ****** to 2 videogame characters having sex. c- the vast majority of the population does not want 2 men having sex in their game

So I have a sick fetish then? You're so enlightening...

no you have a hormonal imbalance or a genetic defect that makes you attracted to men, we dont need this in games just so you can be included

[Medhia Nox]

You alienate potential buyers when you don't include it too. Not that entering into a discussion with you will produce anything.

[DeathCultArm]

This isn't a *** forum. The discussion doesn't even involve Mass Effect anymore...This is fruitless.

[.Rhys]

DeathCultArm wrote...

You alienate potential buyers when including *** romances, espescially m/m. Look how Fox news ripped them for STRAIGHT romances. It's not going to happen. Wheter it's right or wrong it's not in the game. Why posting about it...?

If you take the "don't rock the boat" then no progress is made; Bioware has showed that they don't shy away from controversial issues in their games and I for one hope this trend continues.

gamergamergamer wrote...

.Rhys wrote...

gamergamergamer wrote...

a- mass effect isnt a ****ing dating simulator, if yuou dont like the lame romances dont do them, b- it isnt biowares job to include every sick fetish or orentation just so you can ****** to 2 videogame characters having sex. c- the vast majority of the population does not want 2 men having sex in their game

So I have a sick fetish then? You're so enlightening...

no you have a hormonal imbalance or a genetic defect that makes you attracted to men, we dont need this in games just so you can be included

If you read my posts nowhere do I demand that Bioware implements an M/M option for ME2, I do agree that such a feature would be great but nowhere do I demand it.

Modifié par .Rhys, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:16 .

[Collider]

DeathCultArm wrote...

It goes against nature. It's not natural. It's just a weak choice people make

I thought you liked lesbians. BUT I never expected you not to be a hypocrite.

Modifié par Collider, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:14 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

DeathCultArm wrote...

You alienate potential buyers when including *** romances, espescially m/m. Look how Fox news ripped them for STRAIGHT romances. It's not going to happen. Wheter it's right or wrong it's not in the game. Why posting about it...?

Well of course you alienate people.  The question is why do those people feel alienated and should their opinions have any weigh in on the decisions of the developer.

I'd argue that if you don't have any logical reason to hold a belief then you shouldn't grasp onto it because of stubbornness.  That is the true definition of ignorance in my mind, ignoring evidence that refutes your belief.

Modifié par ITSSEXYTIME, 19 janvier 2010 - 04:15 .

[pharos_gryphon]

DeathCultArm wrote...

And it's confirmed if there no f/f romances do you HONESTLY think there'd be a m/m. They didn't add the "lesser of the two evils'..so...yeah.

Actually the question was asked several times by different people in the same interview as Casey's f/f comment.  People brought it up at least on five different occasions during the early part of the interview, but the question was blocked/deleted and went unanswered.  There's a rather lengthy thread on the matter on the old forums.

[DeathCultArm]

*** equality doens't start with *** romance in a video games, in fact it laughable to even complain about it. And EA is on that box now.

[TheAnima]

Detsu wrote...

TheAnima wrote...

So basically, based entirely on a preconstructed set of traits that have nothing to do with sexuality and is ultimately invalid. Nice to know.

Yes Ashley, and the Alliance, do come off as very American, however, her sister dating a male has nothing to do with her own sexuality. Further, neither does her religion, as most of the progressive parts of Christianity (I assume this is what you're alluding to) have already accepted homosexuality, and Mass Effect is set in the future.

I try and provide a legitimate answer and I get snark in return. Suppose I earned it though, eh?

Hate to say this but preconstructed traits DO often have to do with sexuality. I don't even know what you meant by "preconstructed" and I still feel confident saying this.

I mean preconstructed, like race. In your mind there is a set of traits that defines a black person, or a homosexual. But in reality, homosexuality is an independant trait that often gets associated with some preconception of what a gay person is. Similiarly there is no such thing as race, merely individual traits the occur together due to chance of genetics and mutation, but which over time can be separated and dissolved to make new 'races'.