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[CrutchCricket]

I watched all of the cinematic trailers again for the first time in a long while, and it got me a bit salty all over again over how wasted Malgus ultimately was in the game. Should've been either the main antagonist for one of the force user classes through their entire class story, or a far more visible character in the factions' respective story arcs.

The Warrior's master? He rebelled better than Baras ever did. And so many interesting dynamics could've opened up. Would he freak over Vette? Instead of some nobody NPC that dies in the expansion that introduces him, the stigma of being trained by a traitor could follow us around, and be at odds with our status as Wrath. Of course that does mean only the Warrior would kill him if the story stays the same. That might need to be tweaked because I do like what he does at Ilum, I just wish he was smarter about it. Maybe he pulls a Jadus and disappears?

 

Hell Jadus and Baras should've switched. Baras is awful. He would've fit the Agent themes of overinflated Sith (lol!) while Jadus would've made a worthy master and opponent to both the Warrior and the Emperor.

 

I always thought the throwing Malgus down the reactor was an easter egg from Return of the Jedi.

 

Same with his Unlimited Power ability.

Yeah but Malgus is a Vader clone (literally, he's Vader without the helmet, visually), not Palpatine's.

 

The Knight should've had a reactor hole if anything.

 

Ah yes now I remember why Disney wiped the EU.

Disney wiped the EU because they're a bunch of greedy moron corporate assholes.

 

I don't see the issue at all, it makes gearing and datacrons better. If I see a mod that gives me more power or surge I can't use it because of the main stat, I will be able to now. It will also entice people to get the datacrons where right now at best people will just get their main stat ones.

Wouldn't entice me. Too much bull associated with some of them.

 

The main appeal for me would've been being able to gear all my comps in my old gear. But since gear won't matter for comps anyway, I'm left at a solid "meh".

 

I like stats, I like building a character based on different traits, it's part of the character's identity, granted that stats aren't quite as personal in MMOs as in your average single player RPG -- So, enlighten me here. What is the deal then?

Is it really different traits though? You do the same thing on all characters anyway, you get the things with the biggest numbers possible. The only difference is the numbers are in different categories. And those categories don't matter.

 

Besides, if the secondary stat micromanaging is also going away, that's something I'll actively praise. I only kind of know what critical and power does so it's a total crapshoot what ends up on my character. I know just enough to avoid defense/shield stats as I'm not a tank

[Mr.House]

Malgus and Jadus would have been far more interesting for Inquisitor and Warrior tbh. Thanaton or Baras would have been better for the agent or be a act boss for one of the pub force users and this is coming from a person who adored that tub of fun.

[Milan92]

I wish they did more with Jadus in general.

 

Second to the emperor and he's only around in chapter 1 of the Imperial Agent

 

He was really awesome.

[Mr.House]

I wish they did more with Jadus in general.

 

Second to the emperor and he's only around in chapter 1 of the Imperial Agent

 

He was really awesome.

And yet he's one of the three sith (that being Scourge and Vitiate) who can not be killed in their fight

Considering how we had to beat him, he lived up to his status in my eyes, and why he would have been better in the Warrior story.

 

Also note that depending on how you resolve ch1, Jadus will appear in ch3.

[TheChris92]

Is it really different traits though? You do the same thing on all characters anyway, you get the things with the biggest numbers possible. The only difference is the numbers are in different categories. And those categories don't matter.

In MMOs? Not so much, I guess, in the same frame as it would in a single player RPG. In hindsight, I hope the alternatively still balances the difference in strength between the characters and it really isn't as streamlined as it sounds.

[Mr.House]

In MMOs? Not so much, I guess, in the same frame as it would in a single player RPG. In hindsight, I hope the alternatively still balances the difference in strength between the characters.

Unless maras get more then a mobility buff, we'll still be awesome in pve, but horrible in PVP. Carni and Ani are still fantastic in PVE at least.

[Br3admax]

What is it with Taris and making me want to sleep...... 

 

finally kissed Quinn

Spoiler

ah.. I can't wait for the impending betrayal.... yeah, I'm spoiled. whatever...

I'm sorry. Also it's terrible how a Sith bloodline that has stood for over a thousand years has been ruined with a fair amount of stupid. 

[CrutchCricket]

Malgus and Jadus would have been far more interesting for Inquisitor and Warrior tbh. Thanaton or Baras would have been better for the agent or be a act boss for one of the pub force users and this is coming from a person who adored that tub of fun.

I think Thanaton is fine where he is. He's an appropriate adversary for the Inquisitor, and unlike Baras, actually threatening. Jadus being switched with him could've worked, but not the other way I think.

[Br3admax]

How is Thanaton more threatening than Baras when not only does he run away from you on several occasions, he also gets made into a total ****** in the end?

As for Jadus, the fact that he falls to a Cipher Agent makes me really doubt his "second only to the Emperor" claim, one only backed up by a muggle no less. 

[Liamv2]

As long we all agree that Darth Angral is the worst i'm happy.

[mousestalker]

As long we all agree that Darth Angral is the worst i'm happy.

I'm sorry, Darth Buffet Ballast Baras is the worst...

[Mr.House]

How is Thanaton more threatening than Baras when not only does he run away from you on several occasions, he also gets made into a total ****** in the end?

As for Jadus, the fact that he falls to a Cipher Agent makes me really doubt his "second only to the Emperor" claim, one only backed up by a muggle no less. 

Capturing Jadus and beating him are not the same. That's like saying that one jedi master was better then the dread masters when all he was able to do is capture them.

 

It is a fact that Jadus, Scourge and Vitiate are the only sith so far who can not be killed in their fight.

[Liamv2]

I'm sorry, Darth Buffet Baras is the worst...

 

At least Baras has something resembling a brain. His plans were smartish he just grew overly complacent.

[Mr.House]

I'm sorry, Darth Buffet Baras is the worst...

He's really not. Baras never ran away from you like a little chicken and we also fought him when he was at his worst (at the time of tOR he lost 99% of his lightsaber skill and had to do a quick study on force lightning which was amped by the Entity)

 

Thanaton had a strong intro which was sadly sullied as the story went on and went super OOC and became one of the biggest jokes. Compare to how Thanaton and Baras go out. One continued to oppose the council right to his death, the other was on his knees BEGGING the council.

[Mr.House]

At least Baras has something resembling a brain. His plans were smartish he just grew overly complacent.

Bingo. Had he still had his lightsaber skills and been in shape, he would have been far more of threat and would not have had to rely on the Entity.

[Br3admax]

Capturing Jadus and beating him are not the same. That's like saying that one jedi master was better then the dread masters when all he was able to do is capture them.

No. No it's not. Because not only did "that one Jedi Master" not go in there alone, or with one other person, we know next to nothing about how that fight went down. We know what happens with Jadus, he goes up against a muggle and gets caught. Case closed. And it's not like he was holding back. 

 

It is a fact that Jadus, Scourge and Vitiate are the only sith so far who can not be killed in their fight.

And? All three still lose. The fact that you let them live and the story won't let me kill you doesn't change that. Hell, Nomen Karr doesn't die during his bossfight either. Guess he must be second to the Emperor too. 

[Mr.House]

No. No it's not. Because not only did "that one Jedi Master" not go in there alone, or with one other person, we know next to nothing about how that fight went down. We know what happens with Jadus, he goes up against a muggle and gets caught. Case closed. And it's not like he was holding back. 

 

 

And? All three still lose. The fact that you let them live and the story won't let me kill you doesn't change that. Hell, Nomen Karr doesn't die during his bossfight either. Guess he must be second to the Emperor too. 

Nomen Karr still can die. Jadus does not. You also fought Nomen Karr as a force user.

[Liamv2]

I'm pretty sure Nomen Karr could also count as spiritually dead too.

[Br3admax]

Nomen Karr still can die. Jadus does not. 

Because the story won't you kill him. Cipher 9 was completely capable of killing Jadus. 

You also fought Nomen Karr as a force user.

Which suddenly makes a difference? I mean the story wouldn't let me kill him in the fight, so he must have been amazeballs. And now that I think about it, My Nox couldn't kill Thanaton either. I mean sure he died, but she didn't do it, so damn. 

[CrutchCricket]

How is Thanaton more threatening than Baras when not only does he run away from you on several occasions, he also gets made into a total ****** in the end?

As for Jadus, the fact that he falls to a Cipher Agent makes me really doubt his "second only to the Emperor" claim, one only backed up by a muggle no less. 

He ran precisely once. Apart from Corellia, I'm going to need a source. And unlike Baras, his crushing defeat emphasizes the strength of his opponent (our strength) and not his weakness. He launches his most powerful attacks which do look impressive and we no sell him. It's awesome.

 

Jadus could be overrated. But then, having the Agent fight "the second most powerful Sith" was a waste anyway. The theme of the Agent story isn't "they're as good as Sith" but rather "Sith power is overrated and Sith ego often interferes with more logical and beneficial courses of action" A bumbler like Baras would've been far more appropriate there.

 

Compare to how Thanaton and Baras go out. One continued to oppose the council right to his death, the other was on his knees BEGGING the council.

I think you have them mixed up. Baras' "Protect the voice!" is almost as pathetic and hilarious as his scream when he failed to break the SIS agent. Thanaton threatens that the entire Dark Council will pay after he's dealt with Kallig. Thanaton never begs.

[OdanUrr]

W00t! 100 pages!

[Milan92]

How is Thanaton more threatening than Baras when not only does he run away from you on several occasions, he also gets made into a total ****** in the end?

As for Jadus, the fact that he falls to a Cipher Agent makes me really doubt his "second only to the Emperor" claim, one only backed up by a muggle no less. 

 

Hey! Be nice to Watcher 2!

[TheChris92]

Watcher 2 is the baddest of asses... among many other things

[CrutchCricket]

Thinking back on the differences between the Inquisitor and Warrior, I think I know why the Inquisitor doesn't kill Thanaton right away. It's not just about defeating his enemy, it's also about proving his power to the Dark Council. The Warrior's status as Wrath is pretty much established even before his fight begins and he already has the support of a Dark Council Member. The Inquisitor on the other hand is more alone by comparison. He could kill Thanaton only for the Dark Council to then kill him. He's gotta prove beyond the shadow of a doubt his complete mastery over Thanaton. Forcing him to kneel isn't incidental.

 

Of course after the demonstration is over he should've been the one to snap his neck anyway. But even that could be seen as letting (or perhaps enticing) the Dark Council to openly express their judgement and commit to it. It's not as satisfying of course, but it's not bereft of cleverness.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Thanaton better than Baras? No, he is prolly the biggest fail of a Sith in this game. Not only he challenges and flees from his own Kaggath duel that he declares against you, despite also trying to sabotage all your help you have from your own team. He gets chance to kill Inquisitor 2 friggin times and he never finishes the job.

 

And him threatening the Council doesn't make him any better and intimidating.

When Inquisitor enters the Council chamber. Everyone inside is already suspicious and knows Thanaton is just saying bullshit, hell even Ravage says he wants to kill him since he broke the rules of Kaggath.

 

Baras has reasons why he is ordering Council to kill Wrath. Why? Because he has almost entire Empire and Council in his pocket thanks to everyone thinking he is the new Voice of the Emperor and sabotaging most of your allies. If Wrath wouldn't have support of Vowrawn and Marr the Council would probably execute him/her, the only reason why that is proven otherwise cause Wrath beats Baras in the duel.