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[CrutchCricket]

Thanaton better than Baras? No, he is prolly the biggest fail of a Sith in this game. Not only he challenges and flees from his own Kaggath duel that he declares against you, despite also trying to sabotage all your help you have from your own team. He gets chance to kill Inquisitor 2 friggin times and he never finishes the job.

Running away I'll grant you, but sabotage is by no means disallowed (this is Sith we're talking about). And as for killing you twice, while he obviously should've double-tapped, in neither case is it unreasonable that he didn't. Short version, both times you should've actually died, if not for ghosts ex machina. Kallig had two very rare advantages Thanaton couldn't really have anticipated.
 

And him threatening the Council doesn't make him any better and intimidating.

If we're comparing, and one person threatens while the other one begs, I know who I find more impressive.
 

When Inquisitor enters the Council chamber. Everyone inside is already suspicious and knows Thanaton is just saying bullshit, hell even Ravage says he wants to kill him since he broke the rules of Kaggath.

No he says murder has no rules. He's saying Thanaton should just shut up and kill him already. If he can't then he should be replaced. Sith thinking at its finest.
 

Baras has reasons why he is ordering Council to kill Wrath. Why? Because he has almost entire Empire and Council in his pocket thanks to everyone thinking he is the new Voice of the Emperor and sabotaging most of your allies. If Wrath wouldn't have support of Vowrawn and Marr the Council would probably execute him/her, the only reason why that is proven otherwise cause Wrath beats Baras in the duel.

lolno. Should I go into detail as to why Baras' so-called plan is a joke and doomed to fail? No one in their right mind would believe he's the Voice. Marr doesn't. The one who says "fine let's get it over with" sounds like he just wants Baras to shut up. And Vowrawn even points out the key failure from the start "Is that you, or the Emperor talking? I can't tell".

 

Baras is a chump and it's embarrassing he's been allowed to survive this long, in-game at any rate. Prior Old Republic materials paint a different more reasonable picture. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they made him such a failure in the game proper.

[Liamv2]

I always saw Baras as a almost symbol of the empire as a whole. Lazy, Bloated, Overconfident. The years of pure domination of the republic weakening them. The Warrior storyline felt like a changing of the guard in many respects. Removing incompetents for people who know what they are doing.

[Chewin]

I always saw Baras as a almost symbol of the empire as a whole. Lazy, Bloated, Overconfident. The years of pure domination of the republic weakening them. The Warrior storyline felt like a changing of the guard in many respects. Removing incompetents for people who know what they are doing.

 

A pretty similar view that I've had of him myself, and I enjoy him as an individual for what he represents for the SW, even though I have not much respect for him as a character beyond that.

 

But he has his moments.

[Liamv2]

A pretty similar view that I've had of him myself, and I enjoy him as an individual for what he represents for the SW, even though I have not much respect for him as a character beyond that.

 

But he has his moments.

 

As a character he's a very generic schemer dark side sith. Hell I could imagine you fighting him on the Rep side as a random planet quest boss. What he represents is why he's liked so much as an antagonist.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Running away I'll grant you, but sabotage is by no means disallowed (this is Sith we're talking about). And as for killing you twice, while he obviously should've double-tapped, in neither case is it unreasonable that he didn't. Short version, both times you should've actually died, if not for ghosts ex machina. Kallig had two very rare advantages Thanaton couldn't really have anticipated.
 

If we're comparing, and one person threatens while the other one begs, I know who I find more impressive.
 

No he says murder has no rules. He's saying Thanaton should just shut up and kill him already. If he can't then he should be replaced. Sith thinking at its finest.
 

lolno. Should I go into detail as to why Baras' so-called plan is a joke and doomed to fail? No one in their right mind would believe he's the Voice. Marr doesn't. The one who says "fine let's get it over with" sounds like he just wants Baras to shut up. And Vowrawn even points out the key failure from the start "Is that you, or the Emperor talking? I can't tell".

 

Baras is a chump and it's embarrassing he's been allowed to survive this long, in-game at any rate. Prior Old Republic materials paint a different more reasonable picture. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they made him such a failure in the game proper.

I didn't saw Baras going down on his knees and saying please to Council to kill Wrath so i don't consider that begging. Both him and Thanaton did pretty much the same thing, except Baras was shouting. As for Thanaton, the Council already knows he is just bullshitting to cover up for his failure from Kaggath which makes his threatening having 0 impact on anyone.

 

Ravage? No he doesn't. He looks at Mortis and his direct quote is "If you don't silence Thanaton, i will"

 

I agree that Baras is lazy and does nothing the whole game aside from ordering you around. But his reasons of betraying you is far better compared to what Thanaton does. Baras knows his apprentice will succeed him one day and he will die, so he sabotages and sends apprentices after Wrath, he himself doesn't come  because he is too afraid of you. He does everything in his power to try killing you. Thanaton appears out of thin air and because he hated Zash he decides to go after you as well, i know it's sith thing,

 

The whole thing about Inquisitor bothered me is that everything from chapter 2 on was just another revenge plot. I far more enjoyed the early stuff where you are discovering relics and artifacts, learning more about the force and stuff. It also doesn't help you spend being a ghostbuster for 2 chapters.

[Br3admax]

He ran precisely once. Apart from Corellia, I'm going to need a source. And unlike Baras, his crushing defeat emphasizes the strength of his opponent (our strength) and not his weakness. He launches his most powerful attacks which do look impressive and we no sell him. It's awesome.

Uh, what? Starters, he runs away at the end of the Kaas in Chapter 2 because, "You've gained too much power at once."  He tries to kill you on several more occasions with little success. And Baras didn't suffer a crushing defeat. I'm not sure what game you played, but Baras was the most powerful Sith in the galaxy, at the time of the duel with him, and is treated in story as if he nearly kills the Wrath, who despite claims on swtor.com, is about as powerful if not more so than Nox. Where as you just waltz into the DC champers and rofl-stomp Thanaton for the third time. It's disgusting. 

[CrutchCricket]

I didn't saw Baras going down on his knees and saying please to Council to kill Wrath so i don't consider that begging. Both him and Thanaton did pretty much the same thing, except Baras was shouting. As for Thanaton, the Council already knows he is just bullshitting to cover up for his failure from Kaggath which makes his threatening having 0 impact on anyone.

Baras didn't need to go on his knees. His tone said it all. And the difference is Thanaton isn't asking the Council to kill you after he just lost in front of them. He also doesn't claim to be something more than he is.
 

Ravage? No he doesn't. He looks at Mortis and his direct quote is "If you don't silence Thanaton, i will"

That's the line after. Check it out.
 

I agree that Baras is lazy and does nothing the whole game aside from ordering you around. But his reasons of betraying you is far better compared to what Thanaton does. Baras knows his apprentice will succeed him one day and he will die, so he sabotages and sends apprentices after Wrath, he himself doesn't come  because he is too afraid of you. He does everything in his power to try killing you. Thanaton appears out of thin air and because he hated Zash he decides to go after you as well, i know it's sith thing,

Underlined: And that's a worthy Sith to you? Never mind the completely moronic way he finally betrays you. A cave-in to stop a Sith? Are you shitting me? Bond villains would be laughing.
 
Thanaton doesn't hate Zash, he believes she's corrupted and an affront to Sith tradition and that you're no better. He actually has principles, unlike Baras. And he sure as **** doesn't fear you, until the derp at Corellia, admittedly. But even then look at his speech to the Dark Council afterwards. It's not just shouting vs not shouting. He's actually trying to argue his case instead of going "rawr I'm the Voice, obey me!" He has dignity all the way until you crush him and take it (again, apart from running away, there's no excuse there).
 

The whole thing about Inquisitor bothered me is that everything from chapter 2 on was just another revenge plot. I far more enjoyed the early stuff where you are discovering relics and artifacts, learning more about the force and stuff. It also doesn't help you spend being a ghostbuster for 2 chapters.

Well you saw the Dark Temple. Who you gonna call?
 
Otherwise, you can't complain about cliches in the inquisitor plot and then hold the warrior up higher. At least there's nuances to the antagonist's actions for the inquisitor. Baras on the other hand is a straight up power grab. And the warrior doesn't even show enough initiative to respond to the betrayal. You think he does but it's the Hand that sends him after Baras.
 

Uh, what? Starters, he runs away at the end of the Kaas in Chapter 2 because, "You've gained too much power at once."  He tries to kill you on several more occasions with little success.

I guarantee you he doesn't. Check it out. He backs away slowly and is then punted across the room by the discharge. When you wake he's gone because he assumes you died. And by all rights, you should have.
 

And Baras didn't suffer a crushing defeat. I'm not sure what game you played, but Baras was the most powerful Sith in the galaxy, at the time of the duel with him, and is treated in story as if he nearly kills the Wrath, who despite claims on swtor.com, is about as powerful if not more so than Nox. Where as you just waltz into the DC champers and rofl-stomp Thanaton for the third time. It's disgusting.

lolwat

 

Clearly we didn't play the same game. I played The Old Republic. I don't think what you played is as good.

[CrutchCricket]

I always saw Baras as a almost symbol of the empire as a whole. Lazy, Bloated, Overconfident. The years of pure domination of the republic weakening them. The Warrior storyline felt like a changing of the guard in many respects. Removing incompetents for people who know what they are doing.

Interesting. By that same token, Thanaton is a symbol of the Empire clinging too much to the traditions of old, traditions which they're quite ready to be hypocritical about. His removal symbolizes an Empire ready to embrace change, to adapt and thrive as Sith should.

 

The Empire as a whole doesn't really interest me in the Sith storylines though. I judge Sith by Sith standards. So Baras is a huge failure, both literally and figuratively. Thanaton is a failure too, but to a lesser extent.

[Mr.House]

Interesting. By that same token, Thanaton is a symbol of the Empire clinging too much to the traditions of old, traditions which they're quite ready to be hypocritical about. His removal symbolizes an Empire ready to embrace change, to adapt and thrive as Sith should.

And then he runs away from a tradition, lol. Thanaton was a good idea but falls apart after he "killed" the Inquisitor.

 

Also you don't seem to remember that for most of their fight Baras STILL had power from the Entity (which he had no choice but to use because if he fought with just lightsaber skills he would have been utterly destroyed), which surpasses Thanatons own power. Once that power left Baras for good, he lost which is poinited out by the Wrath. The sith who runs away two times (and worse from his own dam challenge), is forced to their knees and is pity killed by a colleague is one of the biggest failures in the Empire, bar none and that was not Baras.

[Milan92]

A pretty similar view that I've had of him myself, and I enjoy him as an individual for what he represents for the SW, even though I have not much respect for him as a character beyond that.

 

But he has his moments.

 

You're not supposed to respect Baras, you're supposed to laugh at him for his theatrics.

 

Don't tell me you didn't love him going completely insane when he couldn't break that poor soul on Dromund Kaas

[Mr.House]

[Blooddrunk1004]

Underlined: And that's a worthy Sith to you? Never mind the completely moronic way he finally betrays you. A cave-in to stop a Sith? Are you shitting me? Bond villains would be laughing.
 
Thanaton doesn't hate Zash, he believes she's corrupted and an affront to Sith tradition and that you're no better. He actually has principles, unlike Baras. And he sure as **** doesn't fear you, until the derp at Corellia, admittedly. But even then look at his speech to the Dark Council afterwards. It's not just shouting vs not shouting. He's actually trying to argue his case instead of going "rawr I'm the Voice, obey me!" He has dignity all the way until you crush him and take it (again, apart from running away, there's no excuse there).
 
Otherwise, you can't complain about cliches in the inquisitor plot and then hold the warrior up higher. At least there's nuances to the antagonist's actions for the inquisitor. Baras on the other hand is a straight up power grab. And the warrior doesn't even show enough initiative to respond to the betrayal. You think he does but it's the Hand that sends him after Baras.
 

No less worthy of a Sith who runs away from you on Corellia. Sith and worthy doesn't mix. Sith are monsters, backstabbers and they didn't care about how you will die. Especially in the era before Rule of Two was invented, it's the reason why the went almost extinct because they barely had any order.

 

Baras trying to burry you beneath mountain of rubble is no better than the Dark Councilor sending a Sith who just achieved the Lord title on a mission only to try killing you later. Thanaton had principles? Yeah a Dark Council member challenging a small Lord who barely has any support aside from couple of ships and almost no apprentices screams being a worthy and a fair challenge.

 

His speech to the Dark Council had no purpose all he was doing is twisting his words around what Kaggath rules are which he himself broke. Also if villain fears someone like protagonist it doesn't mean he is bad. Baras doesn't ask for council's help until he gets fully defeated and uses the "Voice" as his final resortt. Yes he tries to convince them to kill Wrath but so does Thanaton when he is talking about Sith traditions must be preserved. Baras is suppost to be power grab character, you are his pawn until he turns your back on you, Wrath does respond to betrayal, the first thing you can say to the Hands of the Emperor when you meet them is that you want to kill him

[Barquiel]

You're not supposed to respect Baras, you're supposed to laugh at him for his theatrics.
 
Don't tell me you didn't love him going completely insane when he couldn't break that poor soul on Dromund Kaas

Warrior: I sense your anger, Master.
Baras: A blind, deaf, comatose lobotomy patient could sense my anger!

One of the best lines in the game

[Chewin]

You're not supposed to respect Baras, you're supposed to laugh at him for his theatrics.

 

Don't tell me you didn't love him going completely insane when he couldn't break that poor soul on Dromund Kaas

 

As I said; he has his moments.

[Milan92]

Warrior: I sense your anger, Master.
Baras: A blind, deaf, comatose lobotomy patient could sense my anger!

One of the best lines in the game

 

My favorite is:

 

Warrior: Is there a problem here?

 

Baras: Who would ask such a stupid question!? Clearly there is a problem here!

 

I bet the VA had a blast doing all that shouting

[JobacNoor]

Is it a bug or a feature that my yellow lightsaber looks very clearly orange down on post-nuke Ziost?

[Mr.House]

Is it a bug or a feature that my yellow lightsaber looks very clearly orange down on post-nuke Ziost?

Nah it's not just you, post vitiates snack Ziost lighting is alot different then normal to fit the destroyed world and it works imo.

 

Quest drops for example shine orange instead of yellow ect

[Ryzaki]

Nah Thanaton's a little punk which makes it so much worse that you can't kill him. Freaking kill stealer.

[Liamv2]

Post destruction Ziost is so pretty.

[aoibhealfae]

...I'm two days in Taris and already I want to kill Thana Vesh... wonderful

[Liamv2]

...I'm two days in Taris and already I want to kill Thana Vesh... wonderful

 

That just means you're a normal person.

[Dark Helmet]

...I'm two days in Taris and already I want to kill Thana Vesh... wonderful

 

That's normal.

[Milan92]

I knew it! Something is wrong with the republic quest system.

 

Unlike Balmorra, who has level 21 Bonus Series, Taris suffers from a level 19 bonus series.

 

Which means all the quests are grayed out and I'm missing out on xp 

 

Stupid republic.

[Liamv2]

I'm on Empire Taris again. Yuck. I actually don't mind Rep Taris but Empire Taris is god awful.

[TheChris92]

Waiting on this balloon getting me to the Datacron -- I have some company too!