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#2551
aoibhealfae

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she's a female, a clueless damsel who needs protecting from her own incompetence. 

 

you know, this checks a lot of female characters in Bioware games. Sigh... too bad I can't kill them all... except for Ash.... sigh.... oh I like Ash, but I have beef if a female character was intentionally damseled for the narrative. I have enough snowflakes on my ship.

 

But I like to think Darth Gravus is just using her to test you. It was the Sith way after all.



#2552
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I mentioned one example above-- Sith, come in all shapes and forms, Thana is unique in the sense that her sole character is designed around being irritating which is part of the grating part about her. I mentioned, a while back, that the odd affection that some people seem to have for the character is most likely stemmed from the fact that she's a female, a clueless damsel who needs protecting from her own incompetence. Had she been male, I'd imagine every single person who'd encounter Thana would have 'offed her right then and there. 

 

My Sith Inquisitor offed Thana. Just because I like a character, doesn't mean I wouldn't have the protagonist kill that character. 

 

My liking the character also had nothing to do with the character's gender. 


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#2553
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Ew. That's worse than Quinnmance. At least Jaesa is actually good at her job. Also I find her complete obsession with me endearing.

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Its moments like these that made me glad I went with Vette.

 

Though I'll be honest and say that I would have liked it if she was a bit more mature.

 

Is a mature twilek companion too much to ask for Bioware?!



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Its moments like these that made me glad I went with Vette.

 

Though I'll be honest and say that I would have liked it if she was a bit more mature.

 

Is a mature twilek companion too much to ask for Bioware?!

 

Star Wars Rebel says no :P



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Its moments like these that made me glad I went with Vette.

 

 

Ewwwww

 

Who goes for literally Mission-but-legal when you've got dat Jaesa as an option?



#2556
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Ew. That's worse than Quinnmance. At least Jaesa is actually good at her job. Also I find her complete obsession with me endearing.

 

HOW DARE YOU SIR.

 

Also Jaesa's romance is disgusting. She's psycho.



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My Sith Inquisitor offed Thana. Just because I like a character, doesn't mean I wouldn't have the protagonist kill that character.

I understand that and don't believe I was arguing that point at all?

My liking the character also had nothing to do with the character's gender.

In regards to something you said; She cannot really be a foil to the protagonist, when the protagonist can be all sorts of different characters, ranging from class, to race, to alignment etc -- The sub-plot makes her role as a trophy to be claimed quite clear to me.

If all these annoying traits are fine with you, then all the more power to you I suppose.

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Ewwwww

 

Who goes for literally Mission-but-legal when you've got dat Jaesa as an option?

 

Sane people.


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#2559
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Ewwwww

 

Who goes for literally Mission-but-legal when you've got dat Jaesa as an option?

 

Because they didn't make light-side Jaesa a romance or a "Grey" side Jaesa



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You can bone light side Jaesa but it's only for babymaking. No romance.

 

DS Jaesa needs to be taken out back and shot though.



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. She's psycho.

 

And it's awesome. Better a yandere than whatever the **** Not-Mission is supposed to be? 12?



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Harkun, however, now that's a pompous Sith I love, due to how hilariously over-the-top-malicious he is, but he's also warranted for how useful a 'Drill-Sergeant' he can be in training new apprentices.

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I understand that and don't believe I was arguing that point at all?
In regards to something you said; She cannot really be a foil to the protagonist, when the protagonist can be all sorts of different characters, ranging from class, to race, to alignment etc -- The sub-plot makes her role as a trophy to be claimed quite clear to me.

If all these annoying traits are fine with you, then all the more power to you I suppose.

 

A trophy to be claimed? What does that even mean?



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A trophy to be claimed? What does that even mean?

A damsel, someone who needs rescuing, the said subplot frames Thana's role as a 'playing-hard-to-get-girl' whom you can flirt with if you so choose, she ceaselessly gets herself captured constantly so the protagonist can save her. She's more or less a trophy the player can pursue.

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No way, did they put Mika into SWTOR?

Let's hope so.

 

You need a reason to start playing again.



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And it's awesome. Better a yandere than whatever the **** Not-Mission is supposed to be? 12?

 

No it's creepy. Just because Vette's romance is also meh doesn't make Jaesa's any less bad.



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Harkun, however, now that's a pompous Sith I love, due to how hilariously over-the-top-malicious he is, but he's also warranted for how useful a 'Drill-Sergeant' he can be in training new apprentices.

"Shut it slave."


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No it's creepy. Just because Vette's romance is also meh doesn't make Jaesa's any less bad.

 

Lies and slander.

 

Jaesa's good at what she is. Being my psycho sexy murder machine. Killed her mentor and parents and everything. That's Sith first base.


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#2569
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Ewwwww

 

Who goes for literally Mission-but-legal when you've got dat Jaesa as an option?

 

Because I prefer my woman normal.


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Because I prefer my woman normal.

 

That's what the real world is for.

 

Waifus are already terrible. Might as well have fun with it.



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And then he runs away from a tradition, lol. Thanaton was a good idea but falls apart after he "killed" the Inquisitor.
 
Also you don't seem to remember that for most of their fight Baras STILL had power from the Entity (which he had no choice but to use because if he fought with just lightsaber skills he would have been utterly destroyed), which surpasses Thanatons own power. Once that power left Baras for good, he lost which is poinited out by the Wrath. The sith who runs away two times (and worse from his own dam challenge), is forced to their knees and is pity killed by a colleague is one of the biggest failures in the Empire, bar none and that was not Baras.

What is this two times nonsense people keep going on about? Thanaton ran once, at Corellia. That's it.
 
And failure is failure. Baras' failure would've had far greater consequences, if accepted.
 

No less worthy of a Sith who runs away from you on Corellia. Sith and worthy doesn't mix. Sith are monsters, backstabbers and they didn't care about how you will die. Especially in the era before Rule of Two was invented, it's the reason why the went almost extinct because they barely had any order.

What does your judgement of them matter? "Worthy" is not an absolute. Worthy of being a Sith is meeting or exceeding the criteria of what makes a Sith a Sith. Also the Sith did have rules (even if fundamentally, rules are made to be broken for them) before the Rule of Two, and even after the Rule of Two they were still bent if not outright broken (see: Palpatine)
 

Baras trying to burry you beneath mountain of rubble is no better than the Dark Councilor sending a Sith who just achieved the Lord title on a mission only to try killing you later. Thanaton had principles? Yeah a Dark Council member challenging a small Lord who barely has any support aside from couple of ships and almost no apprentices screams being a worthy and a fair challenge.
 
His speech to the Dark Council had no purpose all he was doing is twisting his words around what Kaggath rules are which he himself broke. Also if villain fears someone like protagonist it doesn't mean he is bad. Baras doesn't ask for council's help until he gets fully defeated and uses the "Voice" as his final resortt. Yes he tries to convince them to kill Wrath but so does Thanaton when he is talking about Sith traditions must be preserved. Baras is suppost to be power grab character, you are his pawn until he turns your back on you, Wrath does respond to betrayal, the first thing you can say to the Hands of the Emperor when you meet them is that you want to kill him

 Wat.

 

Thanaton sent you to a tomb where a ghost kills everyone who enters. This is fact. There is no reason he should assume you have the ghost of an ancestor on call who will intervene and save you. Baras collapses a cave on you. Not a "Sith cave" and not with a "Sith Bomb". Just a regular cave in. You know the kind regular people have a chance to survive, let alone a Sith, and let alone a Sith once compared to Exar Kun and whom Baras apparently fears. Seems legit.

 

The fact remains, Thanaton makes an argument for the Council to kill you and then threatens them when they don't. Baras makes an argument to kill you then screams for help when they don't. The distinction is clear. And yes, fear is a sign of weakness. Thanaton and Baras both have it. Taking a laughably inadequate option to attack your enemy is also a sign of stupidity and incompetence. Baras has that, Thanaton does not. Conclusion: Thanaton is still the less pathetic Sith.

 

...I'm two days in Taris and already I want to kill Thana Vesh... wonderful

 Such a shame. Another has fallen.
 

my sith goddess is mighty fine today.

 Though this might explain it.

 

 

 

Like Han Shot First pointed out Thana suffers from an unchecked streak of recklessness and ego with no oversight from a Master to temper it, or preferably to teach her how to temper it herself. Gravus is a terrible master. She has raw power but no one's taught her how to focus it, to use cunning and treachery and not just bluster to achieve her goals. She is said to have "torn her way through the trials and fellow acolytes" on Korriban, but let's be real, you only needed power and bluster to do that anyway.



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 Such a shame. Another has fallen.

 

Not really. Killing Thana is both a duty and an honor.



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oh come on.. a girl got to have a proper cat fight!

 

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Lies and slander.

 

Jaesa's good at what she is. Being my psycho sexy murder machine. Killed her mentor and parents and everything. That's Sith first base.

 

You keep living that denial.

 

Nope I like my sith sane or at least Inquisitor LS bunny ears lawyer insane. My DS SW would've killed DS Jaesa if he could.



#2575
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You keep living that denial.

 

Nope I like my sith sane or at least Inquisitor LS bunny ears lawyer insane. My DS SW would've killed DS Jaesa if he could.

 

I gotta remember that one :P