So I completed Balmorra with my Consular. Was kinda funny to kill Darth Lachris after all those times when my empire characters slept with her. Zenith seems cool.
Also whats the problem people have with Nadia? She seems nice and a little rebelious, but not annoying so far.
So I completed Balmorra with my Consular. Was kinda funny to kill Darth Lachris after all those times when my empire characters slept with her. Zenith seems cool.
Also whats the problem people have with Nadia? She seems nice and a little rebelious, but not annoying so far.
She's a bit overly goody too shoes even with the DS choices and the romance with her is very easy to wander into by accident. As a fem Consular I had very few issues with her but there isn't really much that stands out either.
I think it's time you learned the difference between love and marriage, son. One never guarantees the other.He did love her, which was the reason why he killed her eventually. He didn't want his enemies to use her as his weakness.
Wasn't the original point that he was dating the Twi'Lek i.e. loving her which he did? I don't think anyone was saying anything about marriage. In retrospect, she made him stronger in death due to the immense regret and grief he suffered because of it.
That was Milan's response to me saying he wasn't going to marry her, so...
Conversely, the Warrior who romances Vette does marry her, thus making him a "bad" Sith.
The reason why i turned Jaesa to the dark side is because my character needed proper Sith apprentice, which this game lacks of them severly. Ashara cannot be turned no matter what and is constantly being ****** about it and Xalek well... you get him way too late and all conversations with him don't last more than 15 seconds.
Scourge, the only character that ever discusses the dark side, force and sith topics with your character yet he ends up being a republic companion instead. He would be perfect companion for Warrior or Inq, i know he joins Jedi because of his visions of the Emperor's demise, but Sith characters needed someone like him.
Bingo. That's why my Wrath completely corrupted her too. Sin should just pack up their bags and give their council seat to someone else after failing to corrupt Ashara after three years.
/pokes at crickets sore spot
I think it's time you learned the difference between love and marriage, son. One never guarantees the other.
I know the difference. I just don't see your point.
She's a bit overly goody too shoes even with the DS choices and the romance with her is very easy to wander into by accident. As a fem Consular I had very few issues with her but there isn't really much that stands out either.
Looks like I won't have any issues with her.
Jaesa going overboard with it is completely acceptable giving her background,
Err.. what?
"Wtf Sith, you killed my parents, twisted my master and proved everything I believe is a lie. I... want to bathe in the blood of your enemies?"
I don't think so. Falling to the dark side is one thing. Turning insta-psycho is another. There should be less generic crazy and more self-loathing, loathing of you, of Jedi, of pretty much everything. That may be the core of my problem with Jaesa. She didn't go dark, she just went perverse. She doesn't exhibit as much anger or hate as I would expect. Her dialogue is basically "let's see how fucked up I can get".
The reason why i turned Jaesa to the dark side is because my character needed proper Sith apprentice, which this game lacks of them severly. Ashara cannot be turned no matter what and is constantly being ****** about it and Xalek well... you get him way too late and all conversations with him don't last more than 15 seconds.
Xalek is incomplete but I see the perfect apprentice potentially forming in him (for the inquisitor, anyway). There's a good contrast between Nox's snark and Xalek's silent lethality. And he's a good Maul to your Palpatine. He's totally loyal but he drops hints that won't always be the case. He says something like "Perhaps one day the servant will be the master...?"
Malgus was also dating a Twi'lek, who was badass without the psycho part. You saying that Malgus wasn't a proper Sith?!
Malgus was more of a proper Sith than 99% of Sith we see in game. The one percent is me being nice.
Malgus didn't marry her. He was using them as they are meant to be used, for personal enjoyment. You sleep with all the Twi'leks you want, but when you sully the blood, you've gone too far.
Yes because he really cared about that kind of ****.
/sarcasm
Conversely, the Warrior who romances Vette does marry her, thus making him a "bad" Sith.
The warrior is a bad Sith but silly ideas like blood purity are the least of his problems. Or anyone's problems.
Bingo. That's why my Wrath completely corrupted her too. Sin should just pack up their bags and give their council seat to someone else after failing to corrupt Ashara after three years.
/pokes at crickets sore spot
I know the difference. I just don't see your point.
Like I said, got to continue the bloodline, and Vette isn't good for that. Neither was Eleena. So saying, "Malgus totally loved that slave girl," doesn't really pertain to being a good Sith because never at any point did Malgus plan on wifing her, even before he did plan on offing her.
Such a shame though that Jaesa is total psycho in her DS.
Especially since my SW spared her parents and other associates, so her downfall made me go all WTF, considering how quickly her character changed.
Even Anakin was deeper than that.
So I completed Balmorra with my Consular. Was kinda funny to kill Darth Lachris after all those times when my empire characters slept with her. Zenith seems cool.
Also whats the problem people have with Nadia? She seems nice and a little rebelious, but not annoying so far.
I liked Nadia, felt like a great and appropriate character for the role she's given. Maybe being Fem Consular helped me avoid any possible downsides
Err.. what?
"Wtf Sith, you killed my parents, twisted my master and proved everything I believe is a lie. I... want to bathe in the blood of your enemies?"
I don't think so. Falling to the dark side is one thing. Turning insta-psycho is another. There should be less generic crazy and more self-loathing, loathing of you, of Jedi, of pretty much everything. That may be the core of my problem with Jaesa. She didn't go dark, she just went perverse. She doesn't exhibit as much anger or hate as I would expect. Her dialogue is basically "let's see how fucked up I can get".
Okay, go let someone torture you for half a year and get back to me. Go let someone warp your mind, and intrude on your thoughts. Then get back to me. We live a world where somehow this is a legit thing, but once we go to a fantasy universe, it's suddenly not possible and unlikely. I don't think you actually get how the human mind works. In fact, I just about know you don't because next to no one does.
Yes because he really cared about that kind of ****.
/sarcasm
The Sith being Sith? Yes he did. Which is a big reason behind his rebellion from the Empire to begin with.
Conversely, the Warrior who romances Vette does marry her, thus making him a "bad" Sith.
The Warrior is an exemplar Sith, and blood purity is a big deal in the Empire, so no it's not something you can just ignore, whether you want to or not.
Seems like some of Lord Abaron's sermon took hold
Xenophobia, racial and blood purity and all that old guard talk will only weaken the Empire. It was the whole point of Malgus rebellion and was proven right at the latest around the time of Makeb. If you tell every alien to go die in a ditch, simply because it's an alien, the Empire will inevitably lose the war because of severe attrition. The Republic isn't making that fault.
If it can hold a weapon or use the force and is willing to serve the Empire go ahead and enlist it.
Okay, go let someone torture you for half a year and get back to me. Go let someone warp your mind, and intrude on your thoughts. Then get back to me. We live a world where somehow this is a legit thing, but once we go to a fantasy universe, it's suddenly not possible and unlikely. I don't think you actually get how the human mind works. In fact, I just about know you don't because next to no one does.
Where's this half a year coming from exactly? And I'd ask for sources on how "warping someone's mind" in the most nonspecific of ways leads to ridiculous bloodlust and implied sexual deviancy but given you referenced the real world, maybe we'd better just skip it.
The Sith being Sith? Yes he did. Which is a big reason behind his rebellion from the Empire to begin with.
lolno. Been playing The Shmold Perublic again? Malgus' Empire did away with precisely that kind of misguided racism that was crippling their Empire. He only cared about strength and improving yourself through never-ending conflict. Anyone who could cut it was welcome. Everyone else would die. That's what being Sith is, not how red your skin is or how many face tentacles you can grow.
The Warrior is an exemplar Sith, and blood purity is a big deal in the Empire, so no it's not something you can just ignore, whether you want to or not.
No he really isn't. He's an over-glorified minion. And I don't ignore blood purity, I mock it. It's an idiot idea that nearly cost the Empire the war.
No he really isn't. He's an over-glorified minion. And I don't ignore blood purity, I mock it. It's an idiot idea that nearly cost the Empire the war.
No he's not. Did you even play the Warrior storyline? The entire storyline is about escaping from that.
No he's not. Did you even play the Warrior storyline? The entire storyline is about escaping from that.
It really isn't given you don't escape ****. You're a tool from beginning to end. The one time you might be something different is after Shadow of Revan. As the Empire's Wrath you can be an independent check on the system but not beholden to anyone but the system itself. That's an appealing proposition. Not as a Sith mind you, but as a character. Of course that appears to be wasted in the new expansion.
It's been pointed out that the Wrath was modeled after Vader and/or Maul. That's fine, they're not much of Sith either. Maul certainly is a minion through and through. Vader is more official but is still effectively nothing but a puppet. He talks about overthrowing the Emperor but that's always asking someone else to help him and 2/3 times it's only a ruse.
I'm playing a Warrior for the first time and just finished Act 1.
I am, at the same time, impressed and disappointed by it.
I am impressed because of how they incorporated previous choices and Force alignment into it but, at the same time, much of its subtlety has to be achieve through headcanon.
For instance, I took every opportunity to spare Jaesa's connections and make the Jedis fall to the Dark Side. I was trying to make her conflicted about the Empire and make her see the duplicity of the Jedis. So far, so good, right?
Except my intention was to have her fall to the Dark Side as well, however, since I had more Light Side points by a small margin, it ended up being "The Warrior and Jaesa are both Light Side infiltrators trying to change the Empire."
You even have this great scene where you can have Jaesa actually be the one to suggest we execute Nomen Karr. However, that is why I said a great deal of what I like about the Warrior is headcanon. Because here we have what would be a perfect example of having a Jedi fall by her own hand. After all, it's cold blooded murder justified through pragmatism.
But the game doesn't actually acknowledge that. At least so far.
Would sparing her connections but have a Dark Side alignment have made her fall to the Dark?
BTW, why can't I just tell Baras that he Jedi he is looking for is in Hoth? The chiss confessed it to me before I executed him for treachery.
He is in Hoth, c'mon.
Should I have spared? Would he have actually told Baras where he dropped off the Jedi?
I'm playing a Warrior for the first time and just finished Act 1.
I am, at the same time, impressed and disappointed by it.
I am impressed because of how they incorporated previous choices and Force alignment into it but, at the same time, much of its subtlety has to be achieve through headcanon.
For instance, I took every opportunity to spare Jaesa's connections and make the Jedis fall to the Dark Side. I was trying to make her conflicted about the Empire and make her see the duplicity of the Jedis. So far, so good, right?
Except my intention was to have her fall to the Dark Side as well, however, since I had more Light Side points by a small margin, it ended up being "The Warrior and Jaesa are both Light Side infiltrators trying to change the Empire."
You even have this great scene where you can have Jaesa actually be the one to suggest we execute Nomen Karr. However, that is why I said a great deal of what I like about the Warrior is headcanon. Because here we have what would be a perfect example of having a Jedi fall by her own hand. After all, it's cold blooded murder justified through pragmatism.
But the game doesn't actually acknowledge that. At least so far.
Would sparing her connections but have a Dark Side alignment have made her fall to the Dark?
I believe the choice to turn her is only based in the conversation you have after you defeat her. Sparing or killing her parents doesn't factor into it. But when she says "I can't defeat you, is everything a lie" you have to pick the dark option and basically tell her to use her anger to strike you down. It's very much lifted from the movies, so it should've been obvious.
I've only done it once and went all dark so I could be wrong.
It really isn't given you don't escape ****. You're a tool from beginning to end. The one time you might be something different is after Shadow of Revan. As the Empire's Wrath you can be an independent check on the system but not beholden to anyone but the system itself. That's an appealing proposition. Not as a Sith mind you, but as a character. Of course that appears to be wasted in the new expansion.
It's been pointed out that the Wrath was modeled after Vader and/or Maul. That's fine, they're not much of Sith either. Maul certainly is a minion through and through. Vader is more official but is still effectively nothing but a puppet. He talks about overthrowing the Emperor but that's always asking someone else to help him and 2/3 times it's only a ruse.
Since I give zero fucks about being sith go me.
Since I give zero fucks about being sith go me.
Indeed. Like I said I judge Sith as Sith. Doesn't mean there aren't other things to find enjoyable about the characters.
I would've found the Empire's Wrath thing interesting, if we'd had a chance to continue it. And if I have the headcanon room I may be able to introduce some missing Sith traits.
Where's this half a year coming from exactly? And I'd ask for sources on how "warping someone's mind" in the most nonspecific of ways leads to ridiculous bloodlust and implied sexual deviancy but given you referenced the real world, maybe we'd better just skip it.
Fullstop. Act I is a year for everyone. And while I'd very much like to find you sources for mental disorders you already know the name of, like Stockholm, I'm not going to play the Cricket game any longer. Jaesa being repressed her entire life and then hitting the Dark Side, hard, is believable. People break mentally, and when you add in "magic" it gets far more complicated.
lolno. Been playing The Shmold Perublic again? Malgus' Empire did away with precisely that kind of misguided racism that was crippling their Empire. He only cared about strength and improving yourself through never-ending conflict. Anyone who could cut it was welcome. Everyone else would die. That's what being Sith is, not how red your skin is or how many face tentacles you can grow.
No it's not. Malgus allowing aliens to join the Empire is a logical thing to do, but that does not magically remove traditions such as the power of blood, because Sith actually do, something like 90% of the time, end up being Force Sensitive more than not. Keeping the aliens down is just stupid. It doesn't mean he'd put his position in jeopardy by marrying one, certainly not 30 years ago when the point in question was actually relevant, not the galaxy of 3640.
No he really isn't. He's an over-glorified minion. And I don't ignore blood purity, I mock it. It's an idiot idea that nearly cost the Empire the war.
Yeah, why can't my 20-something Wrath suddenly jump the ranks. I mean someone tells him what to do like, the Hero of Tython, Cipher 9, the Barsen'thor, and literally everyone else that isn't Nox, who somehow still gets told what to do by people. He really is a bad Sith, because he has a boss. Oh wait, that has nothing to do with being a Sith, and generally most of the ones we meet have someone in charge of them. Even then, the Wrath technically doesn't have to listen to anyone anywhere.
I believe the choice to turn her is only based in the conversation you have after you defeat her. Sparing or killing her parents doesn't factor into it. But when she says "I can't defeat you, is everything a lie" you have to pick the dark option and basically tell her to use her anger to strike you down. It's very much lifted from the movies, so it should've been obvious.
I've only done it once and went all dark so I could be wrong.
I saw a youtube video where, before her boss fight, the Warrior incites her to attack him. I wasn't even given that option, only to tell her to compare Nomen Karr's feelings with the Warrior's.
I'm curious if this is due to Force Alignment or previous choices. This because it comes after she retells your previous quests.
What if a Dark Warrior had spared her connections?
At any rate, I miss my Darth Nox but I have nothing else for him to do. Is "Shadow of Revan" worth it?
Fullstop. Act I is a year for everyone. And while I'd very much like to find you sources for mental disorders you already know the name of, like Stockholm, I'm not going to play the Cricket game any longer. Jaesa being repressed her entire life and then hitting the Dark Side, hard, is believable. People break mentally, and when you add in "magic" it gets far more complicated.
Really, you're giving me Stockholm? Go ahead then and tell me how Jaesa is our prisoner for all that time.
Let's just cut to it, she's not. You do screw with her, sure, but constant torture it is not. You may wish to examine your definitions. And while you're at it, re-read what I wrote. I never said her falling is unbelievable. I said how she exhibits said fall is ridiculous, as is her rate of descent.
No it's not. Malgus allowing aliens to join the Empire is a logical thing to do, but that does not magically remove traditions such as the power of blood, because Sith actually do, something like 90% of the time, end up being Force Sensitive more than not. Keeping the aliens down is just stupid. It doesn't mean he'd put his position in jeopardy by marrying one, certainly not 30 years ago when the point in question was actually relevant, not the galaxy of 3640.
Give me one source where Malgus is shown to care about that. Every source that explores his thinking would suggest the opposite. He killed Daru because she was his weakness in sentiment and other Sith would exploit said weakness. But it was never about image. Malgus doesn't give a **** about his image.
Yeah, why can't my 20-something Wrath suddenly jump the ranks. I mean someone tells him what to do like, the Hero of Tython, Cipher 9, the Barsen'thor, and literally everyone else that isn't Nox, who somehow still gets told what to do by people. He really is a bad Sith, because he has a boss. Oh wait, that has nothing to do with being a Sith, and generally most of the ones we meet have someone in charge of them. Even then, the Wrath technically doesn't have to listen to anyone anywhere.
The BH is also independent.
But as is often the case you comically miss the point. It's not about having a boss it's about showing initiative and planning to one day not have a boss anymore. The warrior exhibits none of the ambition and cunning required to actually climb the ranks. It's not about jumping ranks. It's about believably being able to.
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