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[Heimdall]

I'm thinking of getting back into the game, again, to finally finish those class stories I still haven't finished (Most of them)

[Dean_the_Young]

Might as well post it from a PM to here...

 

The Agent. The feelz (of good planning)!

 

Finished Voss, and it fits perfectly in my mental narrative/character arc of the Agent's character development. The entire bit of going to the Shrine of Healing and going through mystic therapy is genius: that's a scene so open to self-interpretation and role playing utility that more games need it.

 

In my case, I played it straight: the Agent basically had much-needed therapy, and came out of it a better person with the resolution that, since changing identities was what he does best, he would keep adopting them as needed. The mystic said only he would know when he was healed, but I think he already is.

 

Following the sparing of the SIS and freedom from Mind Control, he was increasingly light-side but still coaching it in terms of justifying it for the Empire. But the shrine visit helped confront that, while he started an 'idealist' patriot, he felt used by the Empire and everyone else. It's up to him to decide what he wants, and what role he wants. He doesn't need to cling to the Empire to justify being a better person now- he can do it because he wants to, because he can.

 

In retrospect, Voss will be the point at which he loses ingrained patriotic loyalty to the Empire. Imperial interests are no longer his priority: he passes on multiple chances to try and sabotage the Republic's position for Imperial interests when he completes the Voss world quest, and asks for the lnformant's family be watched over rather than the Voss to side with the Empire. And when he returned to Intelligence to see Lord Razor strangling Watcher 3? It was almost on, baby.

 

 

I'm loving this persona/identity based character arc I'm playing. It's fun not only in its own right, but with the thematic re-occurrence within the Agent storyline. It even plays well into the foe-yay with Hunter- realizing that Hunter was trying to warn off the Agent to protect them from what was to come was... complex. Hunter's expression of being free, even more so.

 

Agent is probably my favorite Bioware story to date, bar none. Sure, companions aren't as integral to it as others- but that's ok. I can't help but feel almost every one of them is a subversion of other, more common, companion types, and I appreciate it. It's a crew that, in the ME universe, you'd love and trust without question. Here? Less of 'happy family' and more of 'everyone has a plan for themselves.'

 

Love it.

[mybudgee]

*sticks head in*
Did someone say KotOR 3?!?

[Paragon Gabriel]

. Her romance also only exists for the darkside path.

aww well that is a shame. Guess I will have to make her darkside after all. Or it depends if it make sense for Jaesa to follow you if she is light. Insanse souns kinda poor. What domyou think has a more better character arc for her, light or dark?

Thanks for the replies!

[Fiery Knight]

aww well that is a shame. Guess I will have to make her darkside after all. Or it depends if it make sense for Jaesa to follow you if she is light. Insanse souns kinda poor. What domyou think has a more better character arc for her, light or dark?

Thanks for the replies!

 

While Light Side Jaesa isn't romancable, there is one little thing that kinda "makes up" for it.

 

Spoiler

You can ask her at one point if she would like to have kids with you. Not sure if your SW has to be LS. I think he does. As for your question, I personally prefer LS Jaesa. Her turn to dark side is worse than Anakin's and just so sudden and when she is Darkside she is a psychopath who wants to kill every Jedi in the galaxy. LS also fits better in the narrative, considering if you are playing pragmatic Sith who is going aganist the Empire and regarding certain events that will take place later on in the SW story.

[Melra]

Dark Side Jaesa is one of the most interesting companions in the game, at least for me as well as her storyline, one the reasons I am contemplating whether to do another playthrough as Sith Warrior, just to relive all of that awesomeness again.

[Aimi]

Jadus and Dread Masters shouldn't be mixed or compared.
 
Jadus is one of those sith that approves highly of intelligence, dislikes the sith and their abusal of power and control.
Dread Masters are a bunch of sith who went rogue after Vitiate died (or did he...) and their plan is to basicaly destroy the empire and the republic, but at the same time they also want to kill themselves. Why would anyone want to side with DMs is beyond me.
 
Maybe we could if TOR wasn't an MMO, since they are one of the hardest ops bosses in the game, especialy the Dread Council boss fight + count the fact that almost every ops and whole late game revolves around Dread Masters.

 
Jadus claims that he approves of intelligence, but his big plan is a series of essentially random terror attacks while he wallows in a bizarre and pointless "Lord of the Flies" experiment on his flagship. He's just another garden-variety Sith scrub, and seeing his flagship made me confused as to why anybody thought that he was a credible alternative to, well, anything.

You bring up the fact that the majority of the confrontations with the Dread Masters take place in the endgame, where there's not really any scope for the sort of branching storyline that the class stories have. That therefore, the fact that an Agent can resist the Dread Masters but not Jadus says more about the segregation between story elements, and the segregation between story and gameplay, than it does about the relative power of Jadus and the Dread Masters.

On the one hand: sure, okay. On the other hand, though, that's a problem, because the experience of the game is all a player has to go off of, so the fact that Jadus is essentially a miniboss while the Dread Council is the most obnoxious operations boss in the game...well, if that doesn't reflect their relative power levels and threat, then that is a writing failure.
 

So now I am currently on Alderaan to get Jaesa Willsam. I know practically nothing about her, only that you can influence her to dark or light side. So I am wondering do I need to start increasing my light side points to get her approval or? And if not, can it make sense story wise to keep her on the lightside while my Sith is currently more dark side, while slowly changing into light?

 
As stated, whether she is LS or DS depends partly on your decisions on the planet quests and partly on the conversation you have with her at the end of Chapter 1. Killing Yonlach/Yul-Li and her parents helps with the DS side of the ledger; letting them live helps with the LS side of the ledger. Then you have to try to convince her in a certain direction on Nal Hutta to finish it up.

I don't know whether it's a 'points' system, or if making an LS or DS decision on Tatooine/Alderaan locks you out of one and not the other, or whatever. Best I can do is say that you should try to be consistent, because you don't get a reload or do-over for your entire Chapter 1 questline.
 

While Light Side Jaesa isn't romancable, there is one little thing that kinda "makes up" for it.

Ah yes, "the SWTOR romance arcs". Where no one is anything other than heterosexual, and where all female partners define their relationship in terms of their ability to marry and/or breed. We have dismissed that claim.

Seriously, though, a fairly distressing number of the romance arcs in the game do automatically have to do with making babies. Because, y'know, that's not forcing a creepy understanding of domesticity on the relationship or anything.

[Dean_the_Young]

 
Jadus claims that he approves of intelligence, but his big plan is a series of essentially random terror attacks while he wallows in a bizarre and pointless "Lord of the Flies" experiment on his flagship. He's just another garden-variety Sith scrub, and seeing his flagship made me confused as to why anybody thought that he was a credible alternative to, well, anything.

You bring up the fact that the majority of the confrontations with the Dread Masters take place in the endgame, where there's not really any scope for the sort of branching storyline that the class stories have. That therefore, the fact that an Agent can resist the Dread Masters but not Jadus says more about the segregation between story elements, and the segregation between story and gameplay, than it does about the relative power of Jadus and the Dread Masters.

On the one hand: sure, okay. On the other hand, though, that's a problem, because the experience of the game is all a player has to go off of, so the fact that Jadus is essentially a miniboss while the Dread Council is the most obnoxious operations boss in the game...well, if that doesn't reflect their relative power levels and threat, then that is a writing failure.
 

 

Eh- I think it's one of those ingrained nonsensicle aspects of level-zone RPG design that have always been a difference between gameplay and story.

 

I mean, if I thought levels were legit I'd be far more concerned about why my faction can't spare a few of those level 55 champions to help me on my quest of upmost importance rather than standing guard. Why is there a -insert conflict here- when a single security droid from the local cantina could win the campaign in a fraction of the time it would take me? Am I really supposed to believe that a typical Empire soldier on Corellia could have taken out entire platoons or divisions of republic special forces on Tython?

 

Considering that a good part of the difficulty on Heroic and Flashpoint missions is basic HP padding... well, just saying.
 
 

Ah yes, "the SWTOR romance arcs". Where no one is anything other than heterosexual, and where all female partners define their relationship in terms of their ability to marry and/or breed. We have dismissed that claim.

Seriously, though, a fairly distressing number of the romance arcs in the game do automatically have to do with making babies. Because, y'know, that's not forcing a creepy understanding of domesticity on the relationship or anything.

 

 

Yeesh- is it that bad? I knew about the lack of a non-heterosexual romance, but didn't think it was baby factory.

[mybudgee]

So KotOR 3 was announced as a prank?!?
*growls*

[Ryzaki]

@Dean: It is a baby factor. And it's creepy. While it makes sense for some LIs there's others where it is completely out of left field with.

[AresKeith]

@Dean: It is a baby factor. And it's creepy. While it makes sense for some LIs there's others where it is completely out of left field with.

 

Gotta make the marriages feel relevant somehow lol 

[Ryzaki]

Gotta make the marriages feel relevant somehow lol 

 

Bleh.

 

Now characters I could understand the whole babies and marriage thing were Quinn and Corso. But REVEL? REVEL? WHAT. It's like he got a personality transplant for that conversation.

[AresKeith]

Bleh.

 

Now characters I could understand the whole babies and marriage thing were Quinn and Corso. But REVEL? REVEL? WHAT. It's like he got a personality transplant for that conversation.

 

Haha, yea that is weird

[Fiery Knight]

Dark Side Jaesa is one of the most interesting companions in the game, at least for me as well as her storyline, one the reasons I am contemplating whether to do another playthrough as Sith Warrior, just to relive all of that awesomeness again.

 

I haven't played myself with Dark Side Jaesa, so I can only comment about what I have heard and that is that she basically becomes a psychopath and only wants to kill. I prefer the LS Jaesa wanting to take down the Empire from within together with my Grey Sith Warrior. Does the DS offer anything similar? 

[Blooddrunk1004]

 

On the one hand: sure, okay. On the other hand, though, that's a problem, because the experience of the game is all a player has to go off of, so the fact that Jadus is essentially a miniboss while the Dread Council is the most obnoxious operations boss in the game...well, if that doesn't reflect their relative power levels and threat, then that is a writing failure.
 

 

I wouldn't call it a writing failure, it was done for the sake of MMO. The difference is Dread Masters arc is an endgame plot for every character while Jadus remains as a key character in Agent story. Also let's remember for the fact Dread Masters are ops bosses, the Emperor who is the most powerful character SWTOR lore gets ass whooped by a weakling jedi, while Dread Masters who are not as powerful as the Emperor require 8-16 people to bring them down. Jadus, Revan and Emperor could all easily have been ops bosses and strong as Dread Masters.

 

As much as i like most of SWTOR characters, this game completely ruined Revan however.

[Melra]

I haven't played myself with Dark Side Jaesa, so I can only comment about what I have heard and that is that she basically becomes a psychopath and only wants to kill. I prefer the LS Jaesa wanting to take down the Empire from within together with my Grey Sith Warrior. Does the DS offer anything similar? 

LS Jaesa doesn't seem to want to take down the Empire, she seems to want to eliminate the darkness within it. DS wants to kill all of those LS mumbojumbo fellows, she's a great apprentice for that kind of Sith. I liked her, disliked the bit uptight alternative that I've seen.

[Ryzaki]

Haha, yea that is weird

 

It was =/

 

ah well.

 

And I just forced myself to do the Ashara romance yesterday :X good lord it was painful.

[AresKeith]

It was =/

ah well.

And I just forced myself to do the Ashara romance yesterday :X good lord it was painful.

Yea, I had to make an unofficial waifu for my Sith Assassin because of Ashara lol

[Ryzaki]

Yea, I had to make an unofficial waifu for my Sith Assassin because of Ashara lol

 

I just said he was with my agent XD yay for legacy panels :3

[AresKeith]

I just said he was with my agent XD yay for legacy panels :3

 

Bah the legacy stuff was just meh lol. And I'm still annoyed with SI's Story (Chapter 3 to be specific)

 

 

On the topic of Jaesa, I wished they could've handled her alignment better. The LS Jaesa was too uptight and the DS Jaesa was too crazy, there should have been an in-between version or atleast let us influence her legit 

[Han Shot First]

It was =/

 

ah well.

 

And I just forced myself to do the Ashara romance yesterday :X good lord it was painful.

 

Ashara is a bit bizarre in that she thinks she is still a Jedi the entire time she's fighting for the Sith. Its a shame that you can't turn her fully to the dark side, like you can with Jaesa.

 

Because it is so strange my guess is that a turn to the dark side was probably intended as an option at some point in Ashara's character arc, just that they were going to go with a slow fall rather than a sudden one. Character stories were supposed to originally continue with updates of the game, that got scrapped however when TOR failed to meet expectations and generate the kind of cash they wanted. 

[Milan92]

I haven't played myself with Dark Side Jaesa, so I can only comment about what I have heard and that is that she basically becomes a psychopath and only wants to kill. I prefer the LS Jaesa wanting to take down the Empire from within together with my Grey Sith Warrior. Does the DS offer anything similar? 

 

That's really all DS Jaesa is. She has no depth or anything. Just pure lulzevil.

[AresKeith]

That's really all DS Jaesa is. She has no depth or anything. Just pure lulzevil.

 

lulzevil and sex everywhere lol 

[Ryzaki]

Bah the legacy stuff was just meh lol. And I'm still annoyed with SI's Story (Chapter 3 to be specific)

 

 

On the topic of Jaesa, I wished they could've handled her alignment better. The LS Jaesa was too uptight and the DS Jaesa was too crazy, there should have been an in-between version or atleast let us influence her legit 

 

SI story Chapter 3 was the only good part about it tho. especially dat ending.

 

YES. As it is I rather just have LS Jaesa.

 

 

Ashara is a bit bizarre in that she thinks she is still a Jedi the entire time she's fighting for the Sith. Its a shame that you can't turn her fully to the dark side, like you can with Jaesa.

 

Because it is so strange my guess is that a turn to the dark side was probably intended as an option at some point in Ashara's character arc, just that they were going to go with a slow fall rather than a sudden one. Character stories were supposed to originally continue with updates of the game, that got scrapped however when TOR failed to meet expectations and generate the kind of cash they wanted. 

 

And whenever you call her out on this she pouts and moves the conversation along like it's not a giant gaping hole in her logic.

 

And yeah that'd make sense.

[AresKeith]

SI story Chapter 3 was the only good part about it tho. especially dat ending.

 

YES. As it is I rather just have LS Jaesa.

 

Na, Chap 3 felt like an ass-pull with the force ghost sickness just to keep the End Boss alive

 

Chap 3 for the SI should've been more focused on the War along which being a potential option for the Dark Council, which I also feel should have gave us two antagonist (A Jedi Master and a Sith)