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[Paragon Gabriel]

Revan is back? Intriguing. I always suspected he wasn't dead. Usually dead people in MMO drops lot over their bodies, but Revan didn't. Well hopefully this time around he is a better character. TOR made him crap and just there for a boss battle. They might go the same route here, but hopefully it is executed way better.

[OdanUrr]

If you did the FPs, you would know Revan isn't dead.

[ruggly]

I enjoyed the new FP, as short as it was. Though there must be an expansion in which you'll fight Revan in, or has there been any news on that?

[Blooddrunk1004]

Having him get defeated by any Imperial lackey in The Foundry was the biggest spit in the face they could have done to Revan's character. They did same with Malgus as well. Dread Masters were handled a lot better because they were the ops bosses, but i don't want too see Revan becoming an FP or OP boss and getting defeated by random people again.

 

I wish they would properly develop his character. I applaud that he didn't jump out of his ship at the end of FP after delevering his speech, i stopped counting how many times did Bioware revive or should i say "reborn" him.

[Azaron Nightblade]

I enjoyed the new FP, as short as it was. Though there must be an expansion in which you'll fight Revan in, or has there been any news on that?

Yep, the Forged Alliances storyline was a lead-in to the big expansion coming in a few months (by the end of the year).

3.0 will pick up where things ended this time, after Theron and Lana have laid low for a while. (or maybe they get themselves captured or something  )

Either way, I'm looking forward to it!

 

http://dulfy.net/201...t-announcement/

[OdanUrr]

BioWare released a teaser of its next expansion:

 

 

Which tells us even less than Rakata Prime.

[Aimi]

Revan is back? Intriguing. I always suspected he wasn't dead. Usually dead people in MMO drops lot over their bodies, but Revan didn't. Well hopefully this time around he is a better character. TOR made him crap and just there for a boss battle. They might go the same route here, but hopefully it is executed way better.

 
No thanks. I thought that the send-off "canonical Revan" got in SWTOR was plenty: a lunatic, genocidal plot ending up as the last effort of a seriously deluded, worthless man. It's a shame that they elected to be even more annoying by giving him a pointless comic-book death in lieu of trying to write more interesting characters.

Revan was disappointing in KotOR and intolerable in his eponymous novel. I am always mystified by how slavishly devoted people are to that character and anything associated with him.
 

If you did the FPs, you would know Revan isn't dead.

It was deliberately ambiguous, not "oh yeah he probably survived somehow".

[Morroian]

Having him get defeated by any Imperial lackey in The Foundry was the biggest spit in the face they could have done to Revan's character. They did same with Malgus as well. Dread Masters were handled a lot better because they were the ops bosses, but i don't want too see Revan becoming an FP or OP boss and getting defeated by random people again.

 

Random people? Taking 8 heroes of the republic or empire to defeat him is hardly a spit in the face. And I do think its quite like he will be the next final op boss. 

[Blooddrunk1004]

Random people? Taking 8 heroes of the republic or empire to defeat him is hardly a spit in the face. And I do think its quite like he will be the next final op boss.

 

Yes it's 4 random Imps. Reps never attacked him in The Foundry. If this was Revan from KOTOR he would only need to twitch his finger to rip apart the imperials who assaulted him which is why it looks stupid. Revan's character for me ended after KOTOR, the novel made him weaker and the game made him even more dumb by turning him into an fp boss.

 

It's the same stuff they did with Lich King in Warcraft. I know it was done for the sake of MMO, but they could have explored or made new characters instead of bothering with Revan again. They did well with Dread Masters and i think most people would side with Revan rather than fight against him...again.

[wolfsite]

I always preferred the Exile in KOTOR 2 honestly.  Playing that game gave a lot more sense of they grey area of the force, how it isn't all good/evil black/white.

 

Loved how you could argue to the Jedi that you were fully justified in going to war and end up with full light side boost from it, or you could go all dark side but still support the Jedi showing that the force is more of a tool rather than a way of life.

[Dean_the_Young]

Revan?

 

How many times have I killed him at this point?

 

Ah well. I should dust of SWTOR- haven't played it in two or three months now. Maybe I should drop this latest game of DA2 to pick back up the Sith Warrior? (Just started Act 2- doing Light Side, and pre-betrayal.)

 

My subscription has run out by now, but I doubt I'd mind. The only thing I really wanted from the subscription was the ability to use artifacts and protype equipment and relics. I played through the IA storyline without even doing flashpoints.

 

For both sides the DS choices are cartoonishly evil. If you're playing a Jedi Knight you end up doing a ton of Anakin type decisions if you go DS.

 

 

 

I found DS Trooper to be fun- you're basically a brute pointed in the right direction, and people think you're amazing for murdering traitors in between those moments of threatening to kick starving orphans or actually killing senior politicians who tried to cut a deal with the empire.

 

It was a surprisingly good RP backstory. I pretended he was a science project out of Belsavis- basically a radically conditioned prisoner turned into a meat droid who was a total amoral tool made to do whatever General Garza wanted. Total tool in the early game, ruthless to the extreme, and only growing an ego (and a sense of individuality/personality) in Act 2 via a growing sense of greed and self-importance. By the end he was corrupt as hell, and probably getting high on stims, but he could do whatever the **** he wanted because Havoc was so good and because he got the job done. Real Renegade soldier style.

[DeathScepter]

Yes it's 4 random Imps. Reps never attacked him in The Foundry. If this was Revan from KOTOR he would only need to twitch his finger to rip apart the imperials who assaulted him which is why it looks stupid. Revan's character for me ended after KOTOR, the novel made him weaker and the game made him even more dumb by turning him into an fp boss.

 

It's the same stuff they did with Lich King in Warcraft. I know it was done for the sake of MMO, but they could have explored or made new characters instead of bothering with Revan again. They did well with Dread Masters and i think most people would side with Revan rather than fight against him...again.

 

 

One of the reasons that I didn't like the Novel or him being in the TOR in the first place. sometimes New characters are worth exploring. Personally if I had my way, Revan and Jedi Exile would be in Kotor 3 and that is all. Not within TOR or a novel.

 

True, Revan and Jedi Exile are not Mary Sue. The Novel and TOR made them "weaker"

[TheChosenOne]

One of the reasons that I didn't like the Novel or him being in the TOR in the first place. sometimes New characters are worth exploring. Personally if I had my way, Revan and Jedi Exile would be in Kotor 3 and that is all. Not within TOR or a novel.

 

True, Revan and Jedi Exile are not Mary Sue. The Novel and TOR made them "weaker"

 

i would KILL for a KOTOR 3........... Really I would! Just point out the guy! Him? OK!

 

[DeathScepter]

i would KILL for a KOTOR 3........... Really I would! Just point out the guy! Him? OK!

 

 

 

some of my better ideas for Kotor 3 and for Revan does come from my dreams. For example, to De level Revan again without losing his memories again, it is to have force exhastion due to the battle of Star Forge, No matter what your choices in Kotor 1, you leave the Sith/Jedi Order due to it. Regardless of your gender, romance, or no romance, Bastila Shan still gets pregant from a Jedi and still related to Satele Shan.

 

Potential Solving the Kreia/Arren Kae debate either way.

 

Playable Ajunta Pall and Playable Nerfed to hell Nihilus

 

Time Travel

 

Revan and Jedi Exile Romance if opposite gender.

 

At least 1 to 2 female Jedi that are romance-able

 

Nihilus uses Thought Bomb properly.

 

Kyle Katarn shaving with a Lightsaber properly.

 

these above ideas are usable for a Kotor 3.

[Neoleviathan]

Any one help me understand post old republic 2 Exile? I heard that all the buildup was just ended with her getting shot in the back of by a lackie with a silly name?

From my playthroughs, I came to believe even the light side Exile was the greatest threat. Even more that the true Sith. Before swtor I figured when she went to find Revan that there were about two possibilities.
The sheer amount of force users, dark side users, would feed her power like nothing else & she'd either become a new Nihilus on the spot or struggle with that through a story. I thought perhaps Revan would use this to completely annihilate the Sith (because Nihilus used power against which there was no defense) before somehow dealing with the Exile.
Or if by some twist the true Sith hadn't been force users anymore & she was left with nothing to feed on, weakened that way.

Does she appear in tor at all? Since Revan does, & I heard Kreia may have as well.

[DeathScepter]

Any one help me understand post old republic 2 Exile? I heard that all the buildup was just ended with her getting shot in the back of by a lackie with a silly name?

From my playthroughs, I came to believe even the light side Exile was the greatest threat. Even more that the true Sith. Before swtor I figured when she went to find Revan that there were about two possibilities.
The sheer amount of force users, dark side users, would feed her power like nothing else & she'd either become a new Nihilus on the spot or struggle with that through a story. I thought perhaps Revan would use this to completely annihilate the Sith (because Nihilus used power against which there was no defense) before somehow dealing with the Exile.
Or if by some twist the true Sith hadn't been force users anymore & she was left with nothing to feed on, weakened that way.

Does she appear in tor at all? Since Revan does, & I heard Kreia may have as well.

 

 

1) A common issue with Revan Novel in dealing with Both Revan and Jedi Exile and Drew didn't research her or kotor 2 as much as he should have and he didn't know actually what to do with her.

 

 

2) As much as I do enjoy Bioware, They didn't know how to use Kotor 2 and potential story lines. Their story telling is different from Obsidian's story  telling. both are quite good in different ways.

 

3) We are lead to believe The Entity of the Sith Warrior's story arch to be Kreia and the Entity was used by Darth Baras.*I need good fat joke here*

 

4) If Jedi Exile became the new One Fleet/Name your favorite military or unstoppable force Woman, There will be not much of a TOR to play in or ****** about. An Invicible Jedi/Sith can wipe out a fleet with a look would put that character as a Eldricth Abomination or a Mary Sue. both of them can be boring as hell if poorly written

 

5) In my opinion, they as in Bioware could have developed new characters that could be just as interesting as Revan or the Jedi Exile and as much as I adore Revan and the Jedi Exile. I don't see their use within The Old Republic and also I would love another game with Revan or the Jedi Exile but I do think their stories are over as of Kotor duology. 

 

6) Also on Revan, Tying him to the Sith Emperor  by brainwashing makes Revan seem weaker when the Dantioone Jedi Council(in which they are powerful Jedi Masters), Regardless if you believe Revan has simple amnesia or a mindwipe by several powerful Jedi Masters or even a brain injury, it devalue the cover identity that Jedi Council try to do with Revan and leading to the Events of Kotor 1.

 

7) I have nothing to say here but other excuse to use 7.

 

8) Jedi Exile does appear in 1 flashpoint to lead the "heroes" to save Revan from the Malstorm Prison.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Any one help me understand post old republic 2 Exile? I heard that all the buildup was just ended with her getting shot in the back of by a lackie with a silly name?

From my playthroughs, I came to believe even the light side Exile was the greatest threat. Even more that the true Sith. Before swtor I figured when she went to find Revan that there were about two possibilities.
The sheer amount of force users, dark side users, would feed her power like nothing else & she'd either become a new Nihilus on the spot or struggle with that through a story. I thought perhaps Revan would use this to completely annihilate the Sith (because Nihilus used power against which there was no defense) before somehow dealing with the Exile.
Or if by some twist the true Sith hadn't been force users anymore & she was left with nothing to feed on, weakened that way.

Does she appear in tor at all? Since Revan does, & I heard Kreia may have as well.

Here is a quick run:

Spoiler

It all starts with the novel of Exile founding Revan and together they start making plan on destroying Lord Vitiate (Sith Emperor) once and for all. They gain a pureblood ally Lord Scourge which is where the book starts immediately falling apart of why would Revan and Exile trust him since he is a sith. Considering in the games their characters could saw someone becoming a traitor from a mile away.

 

They make their way to Dromund Kass and reach Emperor's throne room. But before the fight even begins, Scourge receives a vision that Revan is not "The one" who is destined to kill the Emperor but some other Jedi (It's the Jedi Knight character you play in TOR). After that he stabs The Exile from the back, killing her instantly. But her body dissapears, Revan gets angry and starts using light & dark power but the Emperor overcomes him with lightning and Revan is defeated again.

 

Scourge becomes the Emperor's Wrath (it's sort of a messenger and ultimate warrior that works for the Emperor and can do whatever he wants). Revan gets trapped in the sort of stasis prison for almost 300 years. Exile becomes Jedi Entity (a ghost of what Obi-Wan and Joda did in the original trilogy) and she is by Revan and speaks and supports him, she also sweared she will be by his side until Emperor won't get defeated. 300 years later Jedi strike team saves Revan from Maelstorm prison. Revan gains the support from the Republic and finds a Foundry. He starts producing massive units of droids and HKs-47 so he could unleash his army on the Empire. But the imperials find out about his little plan and they nuke the whole place, but before they could deliever a death blow to Revan he uses Phase Walk to escape and nobody hears from him again.

 

Few years after the that, a facility gets discovered on planet called Rakata Prime that is producing "The Infinite Army". The station is apperantly made from the pieces of Star Forge. The strike team (Republic or Empire) shuts down the production and eliminates the traitors. Revan's fleet enters the system and surrounds the planet and destroys the factory. Revan makes his speech and it's revealed he has support of Revanites. They are basically a group of worshippers who follow his orders without questions. As for what will happen next for his character we will see in expansion but i'm not having big expectations for it

 

As for Kreia, she becomes a character known as Sith Entity and she appears in one of the final missions of Sith Warrior's plot. But it looks stupid and it only raises more questions.

[Azaron Nightblade]

 

I found DS Trooper to be fun- you're basically a brute pointed in the right direction, and people think you're amazing for murdering traitors in between those moments of threatening to kick starving orphans or actually killing senior politicians who tried to cut a deal with the empire.

 

It was a surprisingly good RP backstory. I pretended he was a science project out of Belsavis- basically a radically conditioned prisoner turned into a meat droid who was a total amoral tool made to do whatever General Garza wanted. Total tool in the early game, ruthless to the extreme, and only growing an ego (and a sense of individuality/personality) in Act 2 via a growing sense of greed and self-importance. By the end he was corrupt as hell, and probably getting high on stims, but he could do whatever the **** he wanted because Havoc was so good and because he got the job done. Real Renegade soldier style.

DS Trooper is a lot like playing Snake Plisken or another one of those hardasses from the old action flicks.

I had a lot of fun with mine too, especially with Elara Dorne as my sidekick. To remind me of every single regulation I was breaking. 

[Elhanan]

I enjoyed the Revan references in game, especially during the Inquisitor storyline. Mine joined the Revanites, and this cult became a theme in my head canon in the legacy family I had created.

As for the FP, I played solo, so the encounter there was enjoyable, though a little disappointing as I was expecting something more formidable. So in my canon, Revan never perished at all, and hearing of this return much like Flemeth is entertaining to me.

[Azaron Nightblade]

I enjoyed the Revan references in game, especially during the Inquisitor storyline. Mine joined the Revanites, and this cult became a theme in my head canon in the legacy family I had created.

As for the FP, I played solo, so the encounter there was enjoyable, though a little disappointing as I was expecting something more formidable. So in my canon, Revan never perished at all, and hearing of this return much like Flemeth is entertaining to me.

Revan and Flemeth will never die! 

[Patchwork]

I've been thinking about rolling a Bounty Hunter and I've heard Mako/Torian can have a mini romance but you can still romance one of them afterwards even though you encouraged them being together.  

 

As you can't go back to an old save if you muck things up I was wondering  does anyone know how this works? Affection count/conversations had?

[Kaidan Fan]

I've been thinking about rolling a Bounty Hunter and I've heard Mako/Torian can have a mini romance but you can still romance one of them afterwards even though you encouraged them being together.  

 

As you can't go back to an old save if you muck things up I was wondering  does anyone know how this works? Affection count/conversations had?

From the SWtOR forums. Spoilers ahead for any who don't want to see.

 

Spoiler

Quote: Originally Posted by Kunovega

the only effect it can have is to delay it slightly by making more talking points between completion of the romance

for torian and mako to be romantic you need to actually keep choosing that option and encouraging it. if mako is on that story arc you will not be able to romance either of them until you either tell them to stop talking about it (as in take an option like, its not gonna work out) or you let it go to the end of its storyline (which isnt very deep) and they end up breaking up anyway and than you can get back to romancing either one of them depending on your gender/affection

the only thing the mako/torian romance does is create a series of extra conversations which lead to you either telling them to break up or you encourage them and they fail on their own and break up and than its back on track with whatever other companion arc you were on

thier romance doesnt happen at all if you already are on a romance arc with mako prior to getting torian, but its at most slightly delayed if you do it the other way around

as a female bounty hunter i had to jump through the mako/torian arc before being able to romance torian myself, it took all of an extra 10 minutes of conversations, so its not even a big delay. and yes i was actually encouraging her to go for him so i could see how that would play out, because i didnt care about romancing him myself, but the option to do that came up later anyway since they fail.

[Patchwork]

Thanks Kaidan Fan I'll probably try to keep Torain's affection low while for a while just to be on the safe side. 

[Azaron Nightblade]

 

From the SWtOR forums. Spoilers ahead for any who don't want to see.

 

Spoiler

Quote: Originally Posted by Kunovega

the only effect it can have is to delay it slightly by making more talking points between completion of the romance

for torian and mako to be romantic you need to actually keep choosing that option and encouraging it. if mako is on that story arc you will not be able to romance either of them until you either tell them to stop talking about it (as in take an option like, its not gonna work out) or you let it go to the end of its storyline (which isnt very deep) and they end up breaking up anyway and than you can get back to romancing either one of them depending on your gender/affection

the only thing the mako/torian romance does is create a series of extra conversations which lead to you either telling them to break up or you encourage them and they fail on their own and break up and than its back on track with whatever other companion arc you were on

thier romance doesnt happen at all if you already are on a romance arc with mako prior to getting torian, but its at most slightly delayed if you do it the other way around

as a female bounty hunter i had to jump through the mako/torian arc before being able to romance torian myself, it took all of an extra 10 minutes of conversations, so its not even a big delay. and yes i was actually encouraging her to go for him so i could see how that would play out, because i didnt care about romancing him myself, but the option to do that came up later anyway since they fail.

 

Hmm, I'm not sure how accurate that is... my female Merc never had to jump through any hoops before getting things going with Torian.

 

Maybe it was because she'd already done most of Mako's conversations?

[Vroom Vroom]

BioWare released a teaser of its next expansion:

 

 

Which tells us even less than Rakata Prime.

It looks like Revan has found a new Star Map and is going after yet another Star Forge. I wonder if it is this:  http://starwars.wiki.../Star_Forge_(II)  or an entirely different one.  

 

I bet that red gleam behind Revan's mask is a cybernetic eye, he looks like he got really jacked up in the Foundry Flashpoint. I wonder if the mask he is wearing is the one that the Revanites had or the one he wore on the Foundry? If it is indeed the same one that he had on the Foundry than I don't see how his eye could be cybernetic because of the lack of a hole in the mask, however it would make complete sense if he replaced it after joining up with the Revanites.  

 

I believe we are finally going to see Revan with a Mandalorian War mindset.