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[Mr.House]

Lets be honest, Bioware is just making stuff up as they go along at this point  regarding the writing

Not really? Makeb, Dread Masters, SoR and Ziost all had build up too it.

[AresKeith]

Not really? Makeb, Dread Masters, SoR and Ziost all had build up too it.

 

The Dread Masters had build up to the Emperor?

[Liamv2]

The Dread Masters had build up to the Emperor?

 

No they had separate build up from belsavis.

[Mr.House]

No they had separate build up from belsavis.

And Explosive Conflict is when at last it was shown the dread Masters broke away from the Empire.

[AresKeith]

And Explosive Conflict is when at last it was shown the dread Masters broke away from the Empire.

 

I wonder if they would've joined the Emperor if they knew 

[Mr.House]

I wonder if they would've joined the Emperor if they knew 

The problem with the dread Masters is the dangerous bound they shared. If one of them died, even by accident they would have became a hindrance to him so I doubt he would have truly accepted them.

[CrutchCricket]

Definitely should've been a romance

There's still time... and all the haters who killed her will be able to do nothing but watch in impotent jealousy
 

Not really? Makeb, Dread Masters, SoR and Ziost all had build up too it.

Makeb had zero build-up. Oh the Hutts are attacking some random planet we all care about for some reason. What reason you ask? Plot-device grade unobtanium of course!

 

To a casual non-raider (read the majority of players) the Dread Masters are just some NPCs they may or may not have met on Belsavis- who remembers anyway?

 

SoR and Ziost had a flowing story but it can be argued that everything Revan does past his original appearance is a huge contrivance- as is the Emperor coming back in the first place, which only happened so there can be an eventual million-hp boss for people to wail on in groups of 8 or 16 (or perhaps with every NPC ever created).

 

I wonder if they would've joined the Emperor if they knew

Knew what he was planning? I doubt it. I don't know what the Dread Masters wanted but I doubt being a snack for Vitiate was high on their bucket list.

[AresKeith]

There's still time... and all the haters who killed her will be able to do nothing but watch in impotent jealousy

 

She would've been my Sith Warriors canon romance

[SwobyJ]

Bioware does not *just* make things up as they go along. You could allege that for KOTFE, I dunno, sure, but at least 2011-2013 has been a thread of events relating to each other and reaching a conclusion. Even if the 2014 (FA and SOR) story may be more new, it still builds on the 2011-2013 story and still will likely be the build up to KOTFE.

 

Its one thing to say "KOTFE itself wasn't planned when SWTOR started story content creation", but another to say outright that "Bioware makes up this story as they go along", unless 'go along' means 'every couple of years'. If 'every couple of years' equals that, however, I'm quite glad that Bioware just 'makes things up' then.

 

The Hutts had 2011-2013. The Dread Masters had 2011-2013. The faction war had 2011-2014. Revan had 2011-2014. So yeah, the Emperor having 2011-2015+, with bits of leadup info and story before getting to the focus on him, is just fine with me.

 

Zakuul and Eternal Empire stuff may be 'entirely new' (that is, only planned since 2013-2014 or so), but the point of it in a continuing SWTOR plot may still be very meaningful.

[Mr.House]

There's still time... and all the haters who killed her will be able to do nothing but watch in impotent jealousy
 

Makeb had zero build-up. Oh the Hutts are attacking some random planet we all care about for some reason. What reason you ask? Plot-device grade unobtanium of course!

 

To a casual non-raider (read the majority of players) the Dread Masters are just some NPCs they may or may not have met on Belsavis- who remembers anyway?

 

SoR and Ziost had a flowing story but it can be argued that everything Revan does past his original appearance is a huge contrivance- as is the Emperor coming back in the first place, which only happened so there can be an eventual million-hp boss for people to wail on in groups of 8 or 16 (or perhaps with every NPC ever created).

False. It all stems from killing Karagga in the KP OP because this death caused a power vacuum and the Empire had a very good reason to get a extremely rare and powerful resource after the failure on Coreilla and Ilum.

[Liamv2]

I'm pretty sure the idea of a Hutt empire got brought up a few times prior to Makeb too.

[SwobyJ]

There's still time... and all the haters who killed her will be able to do nothing but watch in impotent jealousy
 

Makeb had zero build-up. Oh the Hutts are attacking some random planet we all care about for some reason. What reason you ask? Plot-device grade unobtanium of course!

 

To a casual non-raider (read the majority of players) the Dread Masters are just some NPCs they may or may not have met on Belsavis- who remembers anyway?

 

SoR and Ziost had a flowing story but it can be argued that everything Revan does past his original appearance is a huge contrivance- as is the Emperor coming back in the first place, which only happened so there can be an eventual million-hp boss for people to wail on in groups of 8 or 16 (or perhaps with every NPC ever created).

 

Knew what he was planning? I doubt it. I don't know what the Dread Masters wanted but I doubt being a snack for Vitiate was high on their bucket list.

 

I consider SWTOR story additions to be jarring, but I wouldn't say they had zero buildup.

 

Makeb was new. The involvement of Hutt politics as brought to the forefront of the factional conflict was not. Is the isotope stuff contrived? Yeah, but that's beside the point. It acts as a device to continue and perhaps (at least in many ways) conclude the focus on Hutts in SWTOR's story. We see that they were seemingly pawns in larger schemes. Perhaps our own factions are pawns in larger schemes.

 

Oricon was new. The involvement of the Dread Masters of manipulators of major dilemmas and conflicts up til Ocicon was not, even if you had to pay attention to it to care. Defeating the Dread Masters appears to end the manipulations, but there's signs that this is only the beginning.

 

I'm not claiming this is the best story, but I will continue to claim that Bioware intentionally builds up to newer content - not ALL of it, but significant PARTS of it - and welcomes story speculation, because in terms of core plot development, nothing is done just 'on the fly'. This may have changed with KOTFE, but I doubt it. I think it'll still matter - not be only a diversion and erasing of what happened before (even if functionally it might act as a SWTOR 1 1/2 or SWTOR 2 anyway).

[SwobyJ]

I'm pretty sure the idea of a Hutt empire got brought up a few times prior to Makeb too.

 

Everything big in plot that we see post SWTOR launch had stuff brought up in the release story. It doesn't come out of nowhere, yeah. Now, sure, Bioware writers/developers may have went "Okay, where do we go next" and looked at options, and discussed things, and debated on what would be the ideal post-launch starting point for new versions of the game and advancement of plot --- but Makeb's plot importance didn't come out of nowhere, even if the planet itself and its importance to the factions likely did.

[CrutchCricket]

She would've been my Sith Warriors canon romance

She's a little redundant on the Warrior. Though Jaesa is inferior in every way. So I don't begrudge you.

 

My Inquisitor needs her more though. Damn Ashara...

 

False. It all stems from killing Karagga in the KP OP because this death caused a power vacuum and the Empire had a very good reason to get a extremely rare and powerful resource after the failure on Coreilla and Ilum.

Oh so another OP the majority of players may never have played. Great.

 

And unobtainium is unobtanium. I understand why the Empire was there but if you're using unobtanium to get someone out of a corner you wrote them into, it's the very definition of contrivance. It's mineral ex machina.

[Liamv2]

That's why I watched all the Ops on youtube.

[AresKeith]

She's a little redundant on the Warrior. Though Jaesa is inferior in every way. So I don't begrudge you.

 

My Inquisitor needs her more though. Damn Ashara...

 

My Inquisitor would get Lana or that one new Dark Council chick who's name I forgot 

[Milan92]

My BH wants Shae Vizla.

[TheChris92]

@TheChris
 

Spoiler

Because he understands the self-devouring nature of the dark side of the Force, and therefore more intelligently utilizes it (Revan's fight, Empire's hatred, Republic's integrity, Jedi's fight against it) as a very useful, albeit dangerous tool, in his actual quest to reMAKE the galaxy?

 
Just an idea. I have no real clue.

The problem is that his characterization is seemingly build up on things that feel like it was pulled from the biggest and sweatiest arse of the writing team -- Like a bad Japanese manga (that is to say anything by Kubo). The Emperor pulling out seemingly arbitrary Batman Gambits left and right, making everything seem like it went according to plan feels contrived if not dumb. Why did he spend centuries on building this powerful empire if only to scrap it for another one when he could have just attacked the Republic right away for all the good it did. But it's no less but one aspect of the things I dislike about him, nevermind the seemingly stupid powers of possessing random passerby's, having all the charisma of saturday morning cartoon villain and everything.

Nihilus was engaging because he was a product of the echoes and scars that war and death leaves behind. His powers aren't an ability but a wound that swallows everything, whereas the Emperor's feels poorly implemented and explained; Granting a person these abilities feels like a self-defeat if not character assassination -- Trying to work around the angles of someone having the powers of 3 Death Stars glued together can only go south. If anything, the said ability was a rather poor attempt at trying to hide the fact that he's most likely gonna be the main villain and kill everyone later, since he did it once already to another planet, and yet the game insists on trying to make everything seem like it was meant to happen too.. Because it's an MMO and it needs an excuse for both factions participation in said upcoming events.

[CrutchCricket]

That's why I watched all the Ops on youtube.

That... hadn't occurred to me.

 

I thought all Ops groups were super serious business so they'd take "press spacebar" up to eleven.

 

My Inquisitor would get Lana or that one new Dark Council chick who's name I forgot 

See I think Lana would go better with the Warrior. Gotta balance these things out.

 

My agent's female so she's all over Theron's Shan...

 

My BH wants Shae Vizla.

She's olddd

[Milan92]

 

She's olddd

 

Still good looking and kicking ass.

[Liamv2]

That... hadn't occurred to me.

 

I thought all Ops groups were super serious business so they'd take "press spacebar" up to eleven.

 

Some do. It took me forever to find the right videos.

[AresKeith]

My Inquisitor would get Lana or that one new Dark Council chick who's name I forgot 

 

See I think Lana would go better with the Warrior. Gotta balance these things out.

 

My agent's female so she's all over Theron's Shan...

 

Darth Acina was her name lol

 

[TheChris92]

Lana comes off as a bit too much of a writer's pet character for me to care about her.

[Mr.House]

That... hadn't occurred to me.

 

I thought all Ops groups were super serious business so they'd take "press spacebar" up to eleven.

Then you don't know raiders.

[Mr.House]

That's why I watched all the Ops on youtube.

You should do some ops, they are fun, unless you get a bad group.