I like Inquisitor but they are too much lead around by the nose.
Also speaking of falling for obvious betrayals are obvious.
Thanaton wants to meet you in a tomb.
I love my Inquisitor but jesus he was gullible at times.
I disagree. Which parts beyond chapter 1 were lead too much by the nose?
As for the tomb, maybe he was just cocky?
SW was inspired by Darth Vader. You know what Darth Vader truly was to SIodus? A tool. Being a tool is part of the sith warrior story and if you thought the sith warrior was never going to be a tool despite Bioware outright saying it was the Darth Vader class then you never understood Vader or just wanted a Sin who could use a light saber.
Sin falls apart after act 3 because of the silly filler(instead of using your power base to do outright war with Thanton, you have to repair your body and mind because the inquisitor can't handle ghosts and anything interesting waits till Coreilla) and Thanaton going really OOC on Coreilla. While Act 3 on the warrior did have some rather weak spots that should have been better and weak compared to act 1 and 2, it was still better then alot of the other act 3s and had no filler.
SW was inspired by Darth Vader. You know what Darth Vader truly was to SIodus? A tool. Being a tool is part of the sith warrior story and if you thought the sith warrior was never going to be a tool despite Bioware outright saying it was the Darth Vader class then you never understood Vader or just wanted a Sin who could use a light saber.
You can still be a tool and do things of your own initiative there's just a balancing act.
That said all of us didn't pay attention to pre release.
(Also a sin? Sin ends the story not being a tool 
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Also sorc and sin playstyle >>>>>>>>>> Jugg or Mara (but especially Mara. God Mara sucks in pvp).
I disagree. Which parts beyond chapter 1 were lead too much by the nose?
As for the tomb, maybe he was just cocky?
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Being lead around the nose all of chapter 1 wasn't enough? Chapter 2 starts with you being lead around the nose by Thanaton and you having to react to that. Act 3 has you finally breaking from that (even if you have to get your powerbase delivered on a platter) to become a Dark Council Member.
It was just stupid. Even their ancestor tells the Inquisitor they were stupid.
You can still be a tool and do things of your own initiative there's just a balancing act.
That said all of us didn't pay attention to pre release.
(Also a sin? Sin ends the story not being a tool
Also sorc and sin playstyle >>>>>>>>>> Jugg or Mara (but especially Mara. God Mara sucks in pvp).
Um, you can? My warrior didn't follow Barres orders once on the planet, if he saw an outcome that favored him, he went for it. Not everyone played an obedient sith warrior you know.
Also Mara's where fine in pvp before 3.0. Don't blame the class because bioware hates them.
Um, you can? My warrior didn't follow Barres orders once on the planet, if he saw an outcome that favored him, he went for it. Not everyone played an obedient sith warrior you know.
Also Mara's where fine in pvp before 3.0. Don't blame the class because bioware hates them.
Yes you did for the most part. I play LS SW exclusively and that's pretty much as disobediant as you can get and you always do Baras' primary directives. He flat out says he doesn't care about the rest as long as you finish his main goals. The two disobedient acts are sparring your instructor and sparring that Sith dude (who then does nothing). Everything else was within Baras' guidelines. (well unless you were stupid enough to spare the sith's son. I hope your warrior wasn't that stupid and if the game wasn't a MMO that would've resulted in a critical mission failure).
Then again I can't laugh because snipers are right down there with them. 
SW was inspired by Darth Vader. You know what Darth Vader truly was to SIodus? A tool. Being a tool is part of the sith warrior story and if you thought the sith warrior was never going to be a tool despite Bioware outright saying it was the Darth Vader class then you never understood Vader or just wanted a Sin who could use a light saber.
Interesting that you would say this.
I don't disagree of course. I suppose I've just gotten used to expecting more out of Sith. I'm not really impressed by the likes of Vader or Maul anymore. Any Sith who's not like Bane or Sidious, I tend to come down on.
Sin falls apart after act 3 because of the silly filler and Thanaton going really OOC on Coreilla.
I played a sorc. But anyway. Thanaton running away was pretty dumb but the conclusion in the Dark Council chambers more than makes up for it. What was filler otherwise?
Being lead around the nose all of chapter 1 wasn't enough? Chapter 2 starts with you being lead around the nose by Thanaton and you having to react to that. Act 3 has you finally breaking from that (even if you have to get your powerbase delivered on a platter) to become a Dark Council Member.
It was just stupid. Even their ancestor tells the Inquisitor they were stupid.
Being led around in chapter 1 was expected. Chapter two starts with you being led around but as soon as you survive, you're on your own (even Kallig doesn't show up anymore). And I don't know where you get the idea that the powerbase was delivered on a platter. You took over Palladius' cult. Pyron gave you the Silencer. But your biggest acquisition was accomplished by Thanaton's defeat, which yielded the entire Sphere of Ancient Knowledge.
Sure he had some advantages (his ancestor and Moff Pyron) but apart from that the SI worked for his holdings.
Being led around in chapter 1 was expected. Chapter two starts with you being led around but as soon as you survive, you're on your own (even Kallig doesn't show up anymore). And I don't know where you get the idea that the powerbase was delivered on a platter. You took over Palladius' cult. Pyron gave you the Silencer. But your biggest acquisition was accomplished by Thanaton's defeat, which yielded the entire Sphere of Ancient Knowledge.
Sure he had some advantages (his ancestor and Moff Pyron) but apart from that the SI worked for his holdings.
But it's an obvious lead around the nose. That's my main issue with Inquisitor. He/she is gullible to the dumbest people.
And Kallig can't show up anymore. He flat out says saving you took up the rest of his strength.
You took over Palladius' cult with Zash's help. They don't even let you kill Thanaton. That kill stealer does it.
Also you can't say sure he had some advantages when those advantages were massive. Without the ancestor the SI would've never been able to bind souls (they'd be a corpse) and without Pyron they'd have no army.
While the Wrath is dismantling Barres plans and power base in act 3, what is the sin doing? Running around trying to heal their body and mind. It's silly and was complete filler.
But it's an obvious lead around the nose. That's my main issue with Inquisitor. He/she is gullible to the dumbest people.
And Kallig can't show up anymore. He flat out says saving you took up the rest of his strength.
You took over Palladius' cult with Zash's help. They don't even let you kill Thanaton. That kill stealer does it.
Also you can't say sure he had some advantages when those advantages were massive. Without the ancestor the SI would've never been able to bind souls (they'd be a corpse) and without Pyron they'd have no army.
Sin also can't even corrupt one padawan.
Just got done with Taris as the consular.
Holy hell, this is a snorefest. I feel like a nurse chasing down a escaped patient from the mental hospital.
While the Wrath is dismantling Barres plans and power base in act 3, what is the sin doing? Running around trying to heal their body and mind. It's silly and was complete filler.
Sin also can't even corrupt one padawan.
While being lead around by the Hands. As for Inquisitor. Yeah it was filler (Inquisitor story isn't all that great anyway. Best ending though hands down.) That said pretty sure if it came down to a fight Inquisitor would wipe the floor with Wrath. (Unless you were insane enough to get rid of the spirits.)
Oh god don't get me started on that abomination that is Ashara. Please do not.
[Let ghost kill Ashara]
Game proceeds to mock me for my choice by making me save her.
WHY EVEN PUT THE CHOICE THERE THEN?
Just got done with Taris as the consular.
Holy hell, this is a snorefest. I feel like a nurse chasing down a escaped patient from the mental hospital.
Thank you.
Consular is so bland. And the actor delivery did not help.
Just got done with Taris as the consular.
Holy hell, this is a snorefest. I feel like a nurse chasing down a escaped patient from the mental hospital.
Act 1 is pretty bad. Act 2 and 3 is far better.
But it's an obvious lead around the nose. That's my main issue with Inquisitor. He/she is gullible to the dumbest people.
And Kallig can't show up anymore. He flat out says saving you took up the rest of his strength.
You took over Palladius' cult with Zash's help. They don't even let you kill Thanaton. That kill stealer does it.
Also you can't say sure he had some advantages when those advantages were massive. Without the ancestor the SI would've never been able to bind souls (they'd be a corpse) and without Pyron they'd have no army.
All true. I could argue for diminishing some of these effects but meh. Ultimately the real point is that there are some very real weaknesses in the SI story I wish were better. But I'm still able to get most of what I wanted from it. The SI is my Imperial main and my third favorite story after Knight and Agent.
Sin also can't even corrupt one padawan.
You just had to bring that up didn't you? 
We will never live down this shame.
All true. I could argue for diminishing some of these effects but meh. Ultimately the real point is that there are some very real weaknesses in the SI story I wish were better. But I'm still able to get most of what I wanted from it. The SI is my Imperial main and my third favorite story after Knight and Agent.
You just had to bring that up didn't you?
Oh I understand that. There's parts of the warrior story I can say the same about. Inquisitor dat ending tho.
they even left the dialogue choice letting you kill her in.
It burns so much.
Like even my LS of LS SI wouldn't have let her live.
But noooo.
It's as bad as Skadge.
AND IT'S PLOTSHIELD BECAUSE IF YOU TORTURE HER ASS EARLIER SHE'S ALL SIMPERING AND CRAP.
But then you get to the ship and she's all "whatever."
Wat.
While being lead around by the Hands. As for Inquisitor. Yeah it was filler (Inquisitor story isn't all that great anyway. Best ending though hands down.) That said pretty sure if it came down to a fight Inquisitor would wipe the floor with Wrath. (Unless you were insane enough to get rid of the spirits.)
Not really. The only way Sin would win is if she keeps the Wrath at the distance, she can not let him get close or she is screwed and ghosts won't help if he cuts off her head. Darth Nox is the only council member who is the Wraths equal (well minus Jadus but he's not a council member anymore)
But their fight would not be a rolfstomp.
Not really. The only way Sin would win is if she keeps the Wrath at the distance, she can not let him get close or she is screwed and ghosts won't help if he cuts off her head. Darth Nox is the only council member who is the Wraths equal (well minus Jadus but he's not a council member anymore)
But their fight would not be a rolfstomp.
You clearly have never pvp'd against a jugg/mara as a sorc.
It's an assbeating.
The jugg might win if his dcds are up and yours are down. But otherwise you should win.
Not to mention it's very easy to keep distance as a sorc (or a sin).
(That said actual sin would be fine upclose. Sin is not a distance fighter)
You clearly have never pvp'd against a jugg/mara as a sorc.
It's an assbeating.
gameplay/lore
And maras stomped sorcs in pvp before Bioware screwed up the class. Now any class can stomp maras in a one on one fight with little effort in pvp and people wonder why the mara fans are so pissed off with Bioware.
*sigh* I hate post 3.0
I once participated in a several week discussion on Wrath vs Nox on the SWTOR forums. While it's fun at first, I don't recommend it.
Let's just say all Force classes are equal and leave it at that.
gameplay/lore
And maras stomped sorcs in pvp before Bioware screwed up the class. Now any class can stopm maras in a one on one fight with little effort in pvp and people wonder why the mara fans are so pissed off with Bioware.
*sigh* I hate post 3.0
Lore wise Inquisitor has five powerful sith spirits to pull upon their power. They're still stronger.
But maras never stomped sins and that's still an Inquisitor AC.
I can't wait for 4.0 and for my sorc to get phasewalk. ****** powertechs and their pull (why do they need leap as AP? I'm gonna need the damn phasewalk just to get away.)
I once participated in a several week discussion on Wrath vs Nox on the SWTOR forums. While it's fun at first, I don't recommend it.
Let's just say all Force classes are equal and leave it at that.
I do believe they are equal and victory would determine on many variable, it would not be a stomp despite what each fanbase wants to believe.
Lore wise Inquisitor has five powerful sith spirits to pull upon their power. They're still stronger.
But maras never stomped sins and that's still an Inquisitor AC.
I can't wait for 4.0 and for my sorc to get phasewalk. ****** powertechs and their pull (why do they need leap as AP? I'm gonna need the damn phasewalk just to get away.)
And this is why pvp is a joke in TOR.
The only class mara's had really issues against before 3.0 was snipers and operatives. Mercs where a bane to everyone for a big reason. Powertechs and sins where pretty dam equal with juggs and sorcs having a big disadvantage (back then sorcs had to run away from maras) then 3.0 came, butchered warriors, continued to make sorcs OP and said screw it to the other classes.
/totally not bitter
And this is why pvp is a joke in TOR.
The only class mara's had really issues against before 3.0 was snipers and operatives. Mercs where a bane to everyone for a big reason. Powertechs and sins where pretty dam equal with juggs and sorcs having a big disadvantage (back then sorcs had to run away from maras) then 3.0 came, butchered warriors, continued to make sorcs OP and said screw it to the other classes.
Every single class is getting a mobility boost (except...snipers. We're just getting what they took from engineering. Screw you BW should've left Engineering alone to begin with!) lol Powertechs are just as OP as sorcs are (if not more so) Operatives garbage lol no damage roll with 23% uptime is pretty BS too (but that's only concealment garbage. Outside that they're good). Sins and they're bubble making them immune to CC (why? And I have 2 sins before I get accused of wanting to nerf a class I don't play), sorcs sure in hell don't need god bubble on the move (that's ridculous) but with AP getting freaking charge (because you know the pull isn't enough!) I'm gonna need phasewalk. AP hits too damn hard for me to be anywhere near them (****** instant 14k hits? Come on! Meanwhile my sniper's 14k is a cast and he's so damn squishy he's dead after he gets it off)
Also Juggs are fine. Maras got butchered. But Juggs are fine.
I do believe they are equal and victory would determine on many variable, it would not be a stomp despite what each fanbase wants to believe.
Jedi Knight would win via their deus ex machina powers.
Every single class is getting a mobility boost (except...snipers. We're just getting what they took from engineering. Screw you BW should've left Engineering alone to begin with!) lol Powertechs are just as OP as sorcs are (if not more so) Operatives garbage lol no damage roll with 23% uptime is pretty BS too (but that's only concealment garbage. Outside that they're good). Sins and they're bubble making them immune to CC (why? And I have 2 sins before I get accused of wanting to nerf a class I don't play), sorcs sure in hell don't need god bubble on the move (that's ridculous) but with AP getting freaking charge (because you know the pull isn't enough!) I'm gonna need phasewalk. AP hits too damn hard for me to be anywhere near them (****** instant 14k hits? Come on! Meanwhile my sniper's 14k is a cast and he's so damn squishy he's dead after he gets it off)
Also Juggs are fine. Maras got butchered. But Juggs are fine.
Pre 3.0 and post 3.0 are not the same. Powertechs and sorcs are OPBS in pvp now, but back then? It was the golden age of operatives, mercs and maras (known as smash monkeys)
And mobility is not the only issue mara's face now post 3.0.
Pre 3.0 and post 3.0 are not the same. Powertechs and sorcs are OPBS in pvp now, but back then? It was the golden age of operatives, mercs and maras (known as smash monkeys)
And mobility is not the only issue mara's face now post 3.0.
So the everychanging fotm machine goes.
Least Maras were fotm once. Snipers always are #2. We're not even that now And we're far too team dependent.
Fair enough.
Just got done with Taris as the consular.
Holy hell, this is a snorefest. I feel like a nurse chasing down a escaped patient from the mental hospital.
That's why I killed all the escaped patients lol.
And the thing that got me through the Consular storyline was the Female Voice to be honest. I find it to be quite lovely to listen to. That, and Telekenisis Sage got me through the Consular.
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