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[LupoCarlos]

The templars also have rebelled.
A picture in the DA page says "the Old Gods will call to you".
The Chantry isn't capabable anymore of protecting people against deamons and others (Iquisition trailer).
The Qun having a bigger role in people's lives.

Would this mean the end of the Chantry as we know it?

[Iakus]

The Chantry may change, and may wane in power based on what happens in DAI, but I doubt it will fall.

The Templar order was not an original part of the Chantry. It has managed to weather four of the five Blights as an institution (Andraste was after the First Blight), as well as several Exalted Marches against the Qunari.

The Chaatry may have to bend and adapt, but fall? Unlikely.

Modifié par iakus, 31 août 2013 - 12:31 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I would like the 'White Chantry' to fall and the 'Black Chantry' to rise and become the dominant religion in Thedas.

I've had my fill of 'White Chantry' controlled countries its so tiring.

[Texhnolyze101]

I hope so the chantry are nothing but an annoyance and need to be destroyed and anyone associated with them gutted and hung in the streets.

[Texhnolyze101]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I would like the 'White Chantry' to fall and the 'Black Chantry' to rise and become the dominant religion in Thedas.

I've had my fill of 'White Chantry' controlled countries its so tiring.

I would like to personally gut justina and hang her myself.

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I would like the 'White Chantry' to fall and the 'Black Chantry' to rise and become the dominant religion in Thedas.

I've had my fill of 'White Chantry' controlled countries its so tiring.

I don't know if you've heard, but Tevinter has a bad track record when it comes to not controlling other countries. 

[Iakus]

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I would like the 'White Chantry' to fall and the 'Black Chantry' to rise and become the dominant religion in Thedas.

I've had my fill of 'White Chantry' controlled countries its so tiring.

I don't know if you've heard, but Tevinter has a bad track record when it comes to not controlling other countries. 

Not to mention institutionalized slavery, human and elven blood sacrifices, etc...

[ISpeakTheTruth]

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I would like the 'White Chantry' to fall and the 'Black Chantry' to rise and become the dominant religion in Thedas.

I've had my fill of 'White Chantry' controlled countries its so tiring.

I don't know if you've heard, but Tevinter has a bad track record when it comes to not controlling other countries. 

I'm not talking about Tevinter I'm talking about their Chantry and its outlook on things like magic. I want future of DA games to not be 'Mages have to be in Circles or they get hunted down.' At first that idea was unique but now its so boring and tired. I want the worlds perception to change to be more open about magic. Also it would be nice to see how the 'Black Chantry' functions, their priest hood, how they use magic in their ceremonies ect. 

[Herr Uhl]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I'm not talking about Tevinter I'm talking about their Chantry and its outlook on things like magic. I want future of DA games to not be 'Mages have to be in Circles or they get hunted down.' At first that idea was unique but now its so boring and tired. I want the worlds perception to change to be more open about magic. Also it would be nice to see how the 'Black Chantry' functions, their priest hood, how they use magic in their ceremonies ect. 

The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

[Texhnolyze101]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I'm not talking about Tevinter I'm talking about their Chantry and its outlook on things like magic. I want future of DA games to not be 'Mages have to be in Circles or they get hunted down.' At first that idea was unique but now its so boring and tired. I want the worlds perception to change to be more open about magic. Also it would be nice to see how the 'Black Chantry' functions, their priest hood, how they use magic in their ceremonies ect. 

The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

There can be no compromise the white chantry needs to fall permanently.

[Herr Uhl]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

There can be no compromise the white chantry needs to fall permanently.

You go girl!

[Neon Rising Winter]

Herr Uhl wrote...
The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

The Chantry version of protestant reformation. I can see that working.

Modifié par Narrow Margin, 31 août 2013 - 12:54 .

[Iakus]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

Indeed.

There are seven Circles in Tevinter.  They run the Imperium

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah the Black Chantry is essentially an arm of the Tevinter government. You can't have the Tevinter religion gain influence while the Tevinter state crumbles. And as such they have much more direct control over the people than the White Chantry.

[Karlone123]

It'll probably be up to the Inquisitor (if you so wish) and few other key figures to try and hold the Chantry together. I'd imagine Anders would be delighted to see it fall completely.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I'm not talking about Tevinter I'm talking about their Chantry and its outlook on things like magic. I want future of DA games to not be 'Mages have to be in Circles or they get hunted down.' At first that idea was unique but now its so boring and tired. I want the worlds perception to change to be more open about magic. Also it would be nice to see how the 'Black Chantry' functions, their priest hood, how they use magic in their ceremonies ect. 

The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

No it is not. The black Chantry is specifically about how it interprets 'Magic must serve man never to rule over him.' The white thinks it means mages have to be locked away while the black chantry thinks it means magic should be used to protect people but not to rule them.

That concept is not inexorably tied to Tevinter at all. The Black Chantry doesn't say that slavery is right, or blood magic is acceptable. The only difference is its interpretation of magic's role in life. Nothing more nothing less. If you think about it if the black chantry is adopted it would end the Mage/Templar war.

People wouldn't see mages as dangerous animals, the mages would stop fighting and if the Templars saw that the circle isn't the only way that mages can live then they'd stop fighting. It wouldn't be easy but it would get the ground work where the fighting could stop.

[Texhnolyze101]

iakus wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

Indeed.

There are seven Circles in Tevinter.  They run the Imperium

I don't see a problem with that.

[Texhnolyze101]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I'm not talking about Tevinter I'm talking about their Chantry and its outlook on things like magic. I want future of DA games to not be 'Mages have to be in Circles or they get hunted down.' At first that idea was unique but now its so boring and tired. I want the worlds perception to change to be more open about magic. Also it would be nice to see how the 'Black Chantry' functions, their priest hood, how they use magic in their ceremonies ect. 

The black chantry in inexorably tied to Tevinter though. It is kind of similar to wanting the world to convert to the Qun without the Qunari calling the shots.

The views of the chantry may change following a devestating war fought over those views. Who knows?

No it is not. The black Chantry is specifically about how it interprets 'Magic must serve man never to rule over him.' The white thinks it means mages have to be locked away while the black chantry thinks it means magic should be used to protect people but not to rule them.

That concept is not inexorably tied to Tevinter at all. The Black Chantry doesn't say that slavery is right, or blood magic is acceptable. The only difference is its interpretation of magic's role in life. Nothing more nothing less. If you think about it if the black chantry is adopted it would end the Mage/Templar war.

People wouldn't see mages as dangerous animals, the mages would stop fighting and if the Templars saw that the circle isn't the only way that mages can live then they'd stop fighting. It wouldn't be easy but it would get the ground work where the fighting could stop.

^ This

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Black Divine and all the Grand Clerics have seats in the Tevinter government. All the high ranking people in the Imperial Chantry are mages.The Archon has a ceremonial role in the church and casts the deciding vote in electing a new Divine in the event the election is a tie. The Chantry hierarchy is essentially an extension of Tevinter society itself because it's very difficult for non mages to rise in rank.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 31 août 2013 - 01:08 .

[leaguer of one]

The chantey is not ending.... It's becoming Protestant.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The Black Divine and all the Grand Clerics have seats in the Tevinter government. All the high ranking people in the Imperial Chantry are mages.The Archon has a ceremonial role in the church and casts the deciding vote in electing a new Divine in the event the election is a tie.

Again the faith does not have to be tied to the government. The ideals of the faith can be adopted without Tevinter having any inherent sway over the countries that adopt it. How many different branches of Christianity sprang off from the Holy Roman Church and it's Catholicism? There are innumerable amounts of branches that are practically the Catholic faith except for one or two differences and guess what the Pope doesn't have any control over the other branches at all.

I'm not saying the state sponsored black chantry should directly take over I'm saying the interpretation of how magic should be incorporated into our lives should be adopted. Just call it black chantry Baptists that way Tevinter doesn't have any sway over it but it still has the core belief system.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well it's not really the Black Chantry anymore if you change all those things about it. The hypothetical Chantry you mention isn't the Andrastian or Imperial Chantry, but something else. Both would have to reform to become it.

[Neon Rising Winter]

leaguer of one wrote...

The chantey is not ending.... It's becoming Protestant.

Joking aside, I would be prepared to put a very small bet on that being the case.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Well it's not really the Black Chantry anymore if you change all those things about it. The hypothetical Chantry you mention isn't the Andrastian or Imperial Chantry, but something else. Both would have to reform to become it.

It would basically be the Black Chantry just without the Tevinter Government sticking its nose in its business. It would be much closer to the Black than the White in that respect but I have no problem with them both reforming to become something like my hypothetical Chantry.

It would bring an end to this chaos and allow both mages and the mundane focus on the Qunari and Fade threats.

[thats1evildude]

The current Chantry can adapt its stance on magic without needing to mirror the Tevinter Chantry, which is a state religion that exists only to facilitate the tyrannical rule of the Magister Lords.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 août 2013 - 01:48 .