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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

If the chantry collapses, then that would be the end of the dragon age and they'd have to come up with a new name for subsequent games haha

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
I'm not talking about Tevinter I'm talking about their Chantry and its outlook on things like magic. I want future of DA games to not be 'Mages have to be in Circles or they get hunted down.' At first that idea was unique but now its so boring and tired. I want the worlds perception to change to be more open about magic. Also it would be nice to see how the 'Black Chantry' functions, their priest hood, how they use magic in their ceremonies ect. 

The Black Chantry is just an extension of Tevinter. The Black Divine is also the First Enchanter of the Circle, and Archon of Tevinter in everything but name. Not to mention that even in Tevinter mages have to be in Circles or they will be hunted down. Not to mention that Tevinter is not more open about magic. They're ruled by mages, but that's not the same as tolerance.

[cjones91]

I hope the Chantry is gone or atleast changed by the time DA:I ends since they are the cause of the war to begin with.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Divine is in charge of naming the ages though.

[Lord Raijin]

If you keep tormenting the beehive eventually you will get stung by an angry bee. This is what we saw in DA2. Anders was that angry bee that will no longer witness the abuse of his fellow Mages coming from their Templar jailers.

Theirs no reason to imprison the Mages once they've passed the Harrowing ritual, and deemed to be safe for society living.

Had Anders been allowed to live a normal life without being chased down by Templars he would've never took this kind of approach. He had no reason to allow him to be possessed by Spirit of Justice. Mages wouldn't depend on Blood magic to fight off their Templar captives.

Mages are human and should be treated as one.

The Chantry need to first start by getting rid of Templars like Knight-Captain Cullen (Sorry fangirls), Knight-Commander Meredith, Ser Karass and Ser Otto Alrik and replace them with rationally thinking people like Ser Thrask, Samson (Hes a Lyirum addict, but at least he respects mages) and Emeric and you will have a half way decent Templar Order.

The Chantry needs to get rid of Grand Clerics like Elthina because after all she responsible for starting up the Mage/Templar war when she refused to do anything about Meredith tyrant behavior against the mages.

[Daerog]

Its not like being a Templar is a popular job in Thedas. Job description: Guard mages (both for their safety and others), hunt dangerous mages, face demons, face bandits, get addicted to lyrium, go senile at age 60 at the latest.

Its not like the Chantry has a list of all the people who perfectly fit every role that needs to be filled, no government has that.

[wolfhowwl]

Ser Thrask was not a good Templar and Grace killed him for it.

[Kalas Magnus]

I hope we can restore the chantry. They seemed to have a good system.

Enough freedom for the mages not to rebel and kept the common people safe.

Also, I dont keep up to date with the story outside of the games. How did the templars split? Arent they all addicted to lyrium and the chantry has control over all the lyrium on the surface?

Modifié par Kalas Magnus, 31 août 2013 - 04:02 .

[Lord Raijin]

EntropicAngel wrote...

you're wrong. Anders WAS allowed to live a normal life, with the Grey Wardens at least. The Templars never bothered him. However, when the Chantry wanted him to come speak at a class he ran away.

He was under no duress. He was under no oppression. His actions were his own.

Edit: And, your claims about Elthina are unfounded. The only tyranny Meredith enacted was the Rite of Annulment, and by that time Anders had already destroyed a quarter of Hightown [go back and watch that (crappy) CGI sometime--that explosion is HUGE, destroyed those two gigantic towners completely] and killing Elthina in the process. I don't think she would have let the Rite of Annulment stand at all. Up to that point she DID promote peace.

I'm right Rylock kept hunting Anders down inspite of the Warden invoked the Right of Conscription on Anders right in front of King Alistair (Which he given the OK status) and conscript him as a Grey Warden, placing him outside the Templars' jurisdiction. Many templars like her will break the law if things don't go their way, and thats exactly what she did. Templars tend to have that above the law attitude. Just look at Rylock, Cullen and the rest of the currupted Templars.

And yes Anders was still being down by the Templars in DA2. Didn't your Hawke get approched by angry Ferelden refuees right after you spoken to the woman about the wereabouts of Anders? I always allowed Carver to speak to end things peacefully.

Elthina promoting peace? Yeah and tell me the story about the Darkspawn finally wants to become friends with the Grey Wardens. Yeah I saw how she kept on allowing Meredith to become a Tyrant.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_History_of_Kirkwall:_Chapter_4

Knight-Commander Guylian's only written comment was in a letter to Divine Beatrix III: "It is not our place to interfere in political affairs. We are here to safeguard the city against magic, not against itself." The Divine, as a friend to the emperor, clearly had other ideas.

Elthina had allowed Meredith to interfere in politcal affairs when she refused to allow a new viscount after 3 years.

If this was Elthina's way to promote peace then I don't know what is.

[Augustei]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I hope so the chantry are nothing but an annoyance and need to be destroyed and anyone associated with them gutted and hung in the streets.

Your insanity is showing, tell your parents to get the psychiatrist back

[Daerog]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I hope we can restore the chantry. They seemed to have a good system.

Enough freedom for the mages not to rebel and kept the common people safe.

I don't think there is much to restore. All the Chantry lost was authority over many seekers, many Templars, and the Circle of Magi. It is still the dominant faith that all but one Thedosian nation adheres to.

They still have some Templars and seekers. The only thing to restore is bring the Circle back under its authority.

So, in that regard, I hope we can somewhat restore the Chantry. Reintroduce good relations between the Circle and Chantry, which the Divine wanted in the first place, but re negotiate agreements and terms on an official relationship. The Circle may still wish to have some Templars help out. Perhaps have the Enchanters have complete authority over Circles with Templars being loaned by the Chantry to help out, I don't know, however the leaders of the two organizations wish to handle it.

As for the Templars and seekers who left, I say forget them, they just wish to dominate mages and have no loyalty to the Chantry so why bring them back? Well, individuals who think they made a mistake maybe but not all of them, especially the leaders.

[Kalas Magnus]

Lord Raijin wrote...



If you keep tormenting the beehive eventually you will get stung by an angry bee. This is what we saw in DA2. Anders was that angry bee that will no longer witness the abuse of his fellow Mages coming from their Templar jailers.

Theirs no reason to imprison the Mages once they've passed the Harrowing ritual, and deemed to be safe for society living.

Had Anders been allowed to live a normal life without being chased down by Templars he would've never took this kind of approach. He had no reason to allow him to be possessed by Spirit of Justice. Mages wouldn't depend on Blood magic to fight off their Templar captives.

Mages are human and should be treated as one.

The Chantry need to first start by getting rid of Templars like Knight-Captain Cullen (Sorry fangirls), Knight-Commander Meredith, Ser Karass and Ser Otto Alrik and replace them with rationally thinking people like Ser Thrask, Samson (Hes a Lyirum addict, but at least he respects mages) and Emeric and you will have a half way decent Templar Order.

The Chantry needs to get rid of Grand Clerics like Elthina because after all she responsible for starting up the Mage/Templar war when she refused to do anything about Meredith tyrant behavior against the mages.

mages arent human though. They are better in every way.

That is the problem.
Given the chance they would rise to power like in tevinter. 
Becoming abominations doesnt even seem to be a problem. With enough training they are able to summon demons on demand.

Elthina did the right thing. According to the dlc kirkwall was in a bad area. So meredith was right in a way. 

[LupoCarlos]

There is a clear difference between the Chantry of the people and the Chantry of Orlais. Is like the Church, followers are very very different from the Vatican. The Chantry wanted to put something about Orlais to the name of the Dragon Age because of their awesomness.
BUT NO. DRAGONS APPEARED BXXCHES.
So... maybe the Maker wanted to this "Vatican" to fall.

[Texhnolyze101]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I hope we can restore the chantry. They seemed to have a good system.

Enough freedom for the mages not to rebel and kept the common people safe.

Also, I dont keep up to date with the story outside of the games. How did the templars split? Arent they all addicted to lyrium and the chantry has control over all the lyrium on the surface?

There was no freedom for mages and i also don't like the idea of being watched over by lesser beings i mean come on did you hear cullen? "We have divine right over all mages" i never felt an urge to kill someone so much in my life after i heard him say such BS.

[Kalas Magnus]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I hope we can restore the chantry. They seemed to have a good system.

Enough freedom for the mages not to rebel and kept the common people safe.

Also, I dont keep up to date with the story outside of the games. How did the templars split? Arent they all addicted to lyrium and the chantry has control over all the lyrium on the surface?

There was no freedom for mages and i also don't like the idea of being watched over by lesser beings i mean come on did you hear cullen? "We have divine right over all mages" i never felt an urge to kill someone so much in my life after i heard him say such BS.

well first off kirkwall seems to be a bad place if we want to discuss their freedoms. too many mages going mad. Leads to harsher templars. its all a big mess

But just look at the qunari. They literally chain up the mages. So it could be worse.

The circle in fereldon didnt look completely awful. Before the abominations that is. 

[Daerog]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Please show your in-game evidence of the Templars harassing Anders after Awakening and before DA ][ (resulting in his fusion with Justice--YOU said that Anders had "no reason" to allow himself to be possessed outside of Templar influence).

I think there is confusion over what Anders complains to Hawke about. Rogue Templars harassed Anders that one time and the Warden Commander settled that (or didn't).

The other people that gave Anders a hard time and took away his cat (his FREAKIN CAT, the MONSTERS!) were..... drum roll... the Grey Wardens! Anders was harassed by Grey Wardens. Then he came to Kirkwall.... and then took a ride on the crazy train.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 31 août 2013 - 04:22 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...



If you keep tormenting the beehive eventually you will get stung by an angry bee. This is what we saw in DA2. Anders was that angry bee that will no longer witness the abuse of his fellow Mages coming from their Templar jailers.

Theirs no reason to imprison the Mages once they've passed the Harrowing ritual, and deemed to be safe for society living.

Had Anders been allowed to live a normal life without being chased down by Templars he would've never took this kind of approach. He had no reason to allow him to be possessed by Spirit of Justice. Mages wouldn't depend on Blood magic to fight off their Templar captives.

Mages are human and should be treated as one.

The Chantry need to first start by getting rid of Templars like Knight-Captain Cullen (Sorry fangirls), Knight-Commander Meredith, Ser Karass and Ser Otto Alrik and replace them with rationally thinking people like Ser Thrask, Samson (Hes a Lyirum addict, but at least he respects mages) and Emeric and you will have a half way decent Templar Order.

The Chantry needs to get rid of Grand Clerics like Elthina because after all she responsible for starting up the Mage/Templar war when she refused to do anything about Meredith tyrant behavior against the mages.

mages arent human though. They are better in every way.

That is the problem.
Given the chance they would rise to power like in tevinter. 
Becoming abominations doesnt even seem to be a problem. With enough training they are able to summon demons on demand.

Elthina did the right thing. According to the dlc kirkwall was in a bad area. So meredith was right in a way. 

Your right mages are better and as far as I'm concerned NOT being a mage is a birth defect.

[Lord Raijin]

[quote]Kalas Magnus wrote...
[/quote]mages arent human though. They are better in every way.

That is the problem.
Given the chance they would rise to power like in tevinter. 
Becoming abominations doesnt even seem to be a problem. With enough training they are able to summon demons on demand.

Elthina did the right thing. According to the dlc kirkwall was in a bad area. So meredith was right in a way. 

[/quote]

So it wasn't human like behavior for a mage like Malcom to want to escape the circle with his non-mge soon to be wife? To want to raise a family and live like any normal human being? What about the situation with Jowan? He wanted to escape the circle to be with his non-mage lover. He got caught and was force to use blood magic to protect himself and his lover.

Mages in the circle are not allowed to raise a family of their own. If a mage gets pregnate the newborn baby is instantly taken away and given to the chantry.

[Daerog]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


Your right mages are better and as far as I'm concerned NOT being a mage is a birth defect.

Enslave the impure! Slay the inferior! The blood is the life! Blood for power! Blood for the blood god! Rwrwrwraaaugh!!

 A powerful mage, is a happy mage. Support your local Magisters today by giving your blood, willingly or not!

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 31 août 2013 - 04:27 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


Your right mages are better and as far as I'm concerned NOT being a mage is a birth defect.

I'm nominally pro-mage and this loony is making me want to annul the lot of them.

[Texhnolyze101]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I hope we can restore the chantry. They seemed to have a good system.

Enough freedom for the mages not to rebel and kept the common people safe.

Also, I dont keep up to date with the story outside of the games. How did the templars split? Arent they all addicted to lyrium and the chantry has control over all the lyrium on the surface?

There was no freedom for mages and i also don't like the idea of being watched over by lesser beings i mean come on did you hear cullen? "We have divine right over all mages" i never felt an urge to kill someone so much in my life after i heard him say such BS.

well first off kirkwall seems to be a bad place if we want to discuss their freedoms. too many mages going mad. Leads to harsher templars. its all a big mess

But just look at the qunari. They literally chain up the mages. So it could be worse.

The circle in fereldon didnt look completely awful. Before the abominations that is. 

Well the qunari as a race are already on my death list finding out what they do to mages just makes the want and need to slaughter them even better in fact i have come up with 2 solutions to the qunari problem

1. Kill all qunari woman and children making sure they cant breed

or

2. sink par vollen beneath the ocean.

I would like to do both.

[Daerog]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


Your right mages are better and as far as I'm concerned NOT being a mage is a birth defect.

I'm nominally pro-mage and this loony is making me want to annul the lot of them.

I don't know... the enthusiasm is catching my attention. If this keeps up I can see joining in and seeing if this thread can become a mob, complete with torches, pitch forks, and abominations.