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Bioware and "Oh wait, actually you *can* save everyone"


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David7204 wrote...

I really hope we're not making serious claims that the Witcher is 'superior' on the grounds of 'getting laid is actually quite difficult.'

I hope it's as incredibly obvious to everyone else as it is to me that this claim is really just a laughable attempt to make 'getting laid' in a video game look like an actual accomplishment for Hanar instead of the reality he's trying his very best to deny. Sitting on a couch, staring at a screen, and pushing buttons on a plastic controller.

That's what it is.

Let's not delude ourselves. 'Getting laid' in the Witcher is doubtless incredibly easy for anyone on this forum.


So says the man who demands female characters w/ flawless CHARACTERIZATION.

Modifié par Ravensword, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:02 .


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Hanar, it's very clear to both of us what's going on here.

You pretend that 'getting laid' and whatever else in a video game is a slick accomplish. You have to. Because you don't have anything else. I take that away, and you have nothing left. I'm not just attacking a video game, I'm attacking your core being, aren't I?

Obviously, you manifest hatred towards me for doing that. Nobody likes being threatened.

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Ravensword wrote...

So says the man who demands female characters w/ flawless CHARACTERIZATION.


How is the fact that I prefer characters in fiction to be attractive at all relevant? 

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Anyone want some popcorn?

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David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So says the man who demands female characters w/ flawless CHARACTERIZATION.


How is the fact that I prefer characters in fiction to be attractive at all relevant? 

Being attractive and dressing like a ho are not the samething.

Modifié par Mr.House, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:05 .


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I understand David. He wants to see his perfect portrayal of how a woman should be in a video-game and then he wants that woman to be bangable with the minimum amount of effort.

Of course, since getting laid in BioWare games (the only games he played) is super easy, he assumes it must of course be the case of EVERY AND ALL video-games.


At least in The Witcher I have to do actual quests in order to get my bang.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:07 .


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Mr.House wrote...

Being attractive and dressing like a ho are not the samething.

"Dressing like a ho."

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.

Thankfully, I would prefer characters not be "dressed like a ho." So again, I'm struggling to see how this is relevant.

Modifié par David7204, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:08 .


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David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Being attractive and dressing like a ho are not the samething.

"Dressing like a ho."

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.

Thankfully, I would prefer characters not be "dressed like a ho." So again, I'm struggling to see how this is relevant.

Says the person who defends Mirandas catsuit.

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David7204 wrote...

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.


Your own posts aren't exactly elequent either, just pointing that out.

You might want to change your own tone first before you start critizing other people for theirs.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:10 .


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Wait. Are we talking about banging our companions to death? :blink:

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Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Being attractive and dressing like a ho are not the samething.

"Dressing like a ho."

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.

Thankfully, I would prefer characters not be "dressed like a ho." So again, I'm struggling to see how this is relevant.

Says the person who defends Mirandas catsuit.

Hardly. I've done no such thing, and you won't any posts of mine saying such. What I defended is Miranda wearing feminine clothing as opposed to bulky armor.

Surely you aren't suggesting women wearing feminine clothing is 'dressing like a ho'?

Modifié par David7204, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:12 .


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David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Being attractive and dressing like a ho are not the samething.

"Dressing like a ho."

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.

Thankfully, I would prefer characters not be "dressed like a ho." So again, I'm struggling to see how this is relevant.

Says the person who defends Mirandas catsuit.

Hardly. I've done no such thing, and you won't any posts of mine saying such. What I defended is Miranda wearing feminine clothing as opposed to bulky armor.

That's exactly the same thing. Herppppppderp.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:13 .


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David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So says the man who demands female characters w/ flawless CHARACTERIZATION.


How is the fact that I prefer characters in fiction to be attractive at all relevant? 


When it comes to romancing/crushing some polygonal ass?

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No Hanar, it's not remotely the same thing at all. Are you suggestion to me females wearing feminine clothing is 'dressing like a ho'?

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David7204 wrote...

No Hanar, it's not remotely the same thing at all. Are you suggestion to me females wearing feminine clothing is 'dressing like a ho'?


Are you suggesting that you're NOT defending Miranda's catsuit?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:17 .


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I'm defending some of it but all of it. I don't like that her butt sticks out. But I am defending the general clothing type and style. I am defending a female character wearing feminine clothing as opposed to bulky armor.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

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The TC is asking for choices were you can't save everyone. 


No, the thread starter is complaining about choices where you can save everyone. If he'd just said 'I want some difficult choices where you lose something either way' this thread would have been people mostly agreeing. 

Instead the first post is him saying that any instance of a choice where one is 'objectively' better than the others is inherently wrong.


Seems I also misunderstood the thread as the problem being people using guides vs. doing the good path usually negates a bad playthrough outside of roleplaying purposes. It's a problem when your reward for being evil is usually just "Here, have some money." And we all know that earning money in Bioware games isn't that difficult.  

In the village and keep scenario, we could have something like: A) Save the village, opens up quests in that location including one that gives, say, a rare weapon, but lose a valuable keep that cannot be won back, B) Save the keep, boost morale and foothold in the region + perks from having a full strength keep, but quests in the village are not available as they all died, or C) Try to save both, but not be able to salvage the keep at full strength and lose access to some quests as a result of villagers dying i.e. access to a rare weapon.

It doesn't really present a tough decision when option C means you get the keep at full strength AND reap all the quests/rewards of saving the village. In that case, it's clear which option you SHOULD go for. And when you do that, the options presented aren't really as difficult as they pretend to be.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:27 .


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David7204 wrote...

I am defending a female character wearing feminine clothing as opposed to bulky armor.


I think that's pretty sexist of you.

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In Exile wrote...

Cylanthegreat wrote...

I think that stuff like this is the reason why Bioware chose to have health not regenerate after combat. When you see the red templars ransacking the town when you actually play, sure you COULD rush in and save the day with no backup from your soldiers, but you could potentially run through your stock of health and mana potions and be unable to save the keep.


Unless you're good at the game, in which case all of this becomes irelevant and you remain as the godly engine of destruction all protagonists are. It's not a hard choice when you get everything perfect by just being good at the game. 

The difficult choice is "will I invest enough time to get the best ending or not" and not anything to do with morals. 


Not a hard moral choice. It may still be a hard tactical choice -- unless you're so good that there's no such thing.

I kind of like the idea of having this sort of tactical choice. If we're going to have to manage health recovery and resource expenditure there ought to be some point to it. As long as all choices don't have a "awesome players get away with everything" escape hatch I don't think there's a problem.

Modifié par AlanC9, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:33 .


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Sexist as in acknowledging that males and females are not the same? Absolutely.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.


Your own posts aren't exactly elequent either, just pointing that out.

"Elequent"? You both fail. Hanar you fail more for following his example though.

Modifié par J. Reezy, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:30 .


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Thank you for pointing out a trivial spelling error.

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J. Reezy wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Gosh, how incredibly elequent.


Your own posts aren't exactly elequent either, just pointing that out.

"Elequent"? You both fail. Hanar you fail more for following his example though.


English is not my mother tongue or first language so please cut me some slack Mr. Reezy sensei.

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David7204 wrote...

Sexist as in acknowledging that males and females are not the same? Absolutely.

More like "Sexist for implying women shouldn't wear bulky armor".

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David7204 wrote...

Sexist as in acknowledging that males and females are not the same? Absolutely.


Sexist as in that according to you females aren't allowed to properly dress for combat because they need to show some T&A to appeal to your juvenile desires.

That's pretty damn sexist and not cool at all.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:36 .